Why is Islam so bad to women and why do Islamic laws treat them more as property than a person?

[BestCaseScenario]

Many more are muslim in name only.

Or worse hypocritical muslims who kill other muslims.

That is a failure in their person not in their religion. No one is perfect. If Islam is telling you that you can not kill, but your faith is weak enough to ignore that, then the Ban on killing still stands though you failed.


Same with Sex. You can f*ck as you like, but do it responsibly. Some follow while others don't, but the sinfulness of Adultery is still there.. Who failed? Religion or You?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

That is a failure in their person not in their religion. No one is perfect. If Islam is telling you that you can not kill, but your faith is weak enough to ignore that, then the Ban on killing still stands though you failed.


Same with Sex. You can f*ck as you like, but do it responsibly. Some follow while others don't, but the sinfulness of Adultery is still there.. Who failed? Religion or You?

You sound like a communist. The idea is perfect, but there was no TRUE communism/islamic rule.


Just admit that we need reform and need to go away from our savaged ways

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

You sound like a communist. The idea is perfect, but there was no TRUE communism/islamic rule.


Just admit that we need reform and need to go away from our savaged ways

How can you reform a perfect religion? It is you who must reform. It is humans that need to change our ways and become better Muslims.

Islam is and was never at fault in this.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

How can you reform a perfect religion? It is you who must reform. It is humans that need to change our ways and become better Muslims.

Islam is and was never at fault in this.

The way Islam is practiced is at fault.


I mean half the reasons we are staying in Christian countries is because of the comfort that muslim savagery finds in the Islamic verses and hadiths. Can't you admit that at least?

 

[ManlikeYJ]

Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"

have u asked urself why b4 u jump to conclusions?
men have the responsibility of taking care of the family. and has to make sure there is food on the table and a roof above them.
while women dont have to use a single penny on that.
their money are meant for them to use on themselves and what suits them.
why dont u mention mehr? yeah it doesnt fit ur little agenda.

 

[felloff]

I don't drink alcohol.

My cats sodom and gomorrah don't like flights.

don't think you got what i mean by cat

 

[BestCaseScenario]

You sound like a communist. The idea is perfect, but there was no TRUE communism/islamic rule.Just admit that we need reform and need to go away from our savaged ways

Savagery is thinking you are a male and hitting on women although you have no tool for satisfying women. Apply common sense to yourself. Face that reality of lacking common sense and you will be fine sweetie.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Savagery is thinking you are a male and hitting on women although you have no tool for satisfying women. Apply common sense to yourself. Face that reality of lacking common sense and you will be fine sweetie.

Lol, you think Somali men are satisfying Somali women?

Hit the road, warya

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

@BestCaseScenario @Merchant of Mogadishu

You're right. Islam is not in need of reform. It is perfect. What's in need of reform is your worship of man made hadiths written hundreds of years after the prophet. I bet those women in the video were never shown the hadiths that say they are "deficient in intelligence and religion" or that if they change their mind about their conversion overnight they will be executed for apostasy as prophet Bukhari instructs in his divine and infallible Holy Book. It's almost as they're embarrassed by it.

Tell me this, why did Allah need Bukhari to complete his religion almost three hundred years after his Messenger died? Why not just include those hadiths in the Quran? Did he forget? The Quran is about the same length as the New Testament. The Bible is a longer book. Surely Allah had room for a few more verses about how stupid women are and how white converts who leave Islam should be executed?

 

[BestCaseScenario]

Lol, you think Somali men are satisfying Somali women?

Hit the road, warya

But you haven't tested one.. so, how can you judge? Assumptions are not facts in many cases ...


It is funny that you think you can satisfy a woman better .. Yaabka adduunka ... Waa duni madaxa loo rogay ..

 

[HouseofSamaale]

SubhanAllah too much blasphemy in this forum. Say wallahi some of you are actually Somali?

Where are you guys from? I'm actually perplexed.

@steamdevelopment - The culture in Muslim countries is extremely backward. This is not due to Islam though. Nowadays, people fabricate all sorts of nonsense to justify their sick behaviour. There is nothing in the religion which sanctions any of the aforementioned actions at all. As for people who seem to be confused: the definition of an orthodox Muslim is someone who follows one of the four schools of fiqh and ascribes to Sunni theology (Ash'ari or Maturidi). Anything other than this is outside the scope of Ahlus Sunnah.

You can't say I don't follow hadith at all and then say you are an orthodox Muslim.

We aren't people who cherry pick hadith and claim we understand religion.

For people who want to learn more, visit SeekersHub. It's an excellent resource and has loads of relevant content. You can also post questions.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

SubhanAllah too much blasphemy in this forum. Say wallahi some of you are actually Somali?

Where are you guys from? I'm actually perplexed.

@steamdevelopment - The culture in Muslim countries is extremely backward. This is not due to Islam though. Nowadays, people fabricate all sorts of nonsense to justify their sick behaviour. There is nothing in the religion which sanctions any of the aforementioned actions at all. As for people who seem to be confused: the definition of an orthodox Muslim is someone who follows one of the four schools of fiqh and ascribes to Sunni theology (Ash'ari or Maturidi). Anything other than this is outside the scope of Ahlus Sunnah.

You can't say I don't follow hadith at all and then say you are an orthodox Muslim.

We aren't people who cherry pick hadith and claim we understand religion.

Yeah, there's no connection between hadiths that support FGM and Somalis chopping women's clits off. No connection whatsoever.

Sahih Bukhari did not exist in the prophet's time, so according to your logic the Prophet was not an orthodox Muslim.

Tell me this, if these fake hadiths are true, why did the Prophet not have them written down in his own lifetime as he had the Quran written down. Why did it need Bukhari to do it almost 300 years later? There are hadiths that show he actually forbade writing down his statements lest it distract from the Quran. And other hadiths show that Umar burned hadith books for the same reason. Why did they do this?

 

[Xaagi-Cagmadigtee]

Last time I checked all the prophets but one were non-Arabs. Islam preceded Arabs or Arabism.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

Last time I checked all the prophets but one were non-Arabs. Islam preceded Arabs or Arabism.

Source?

 

[BestCaseScenario]

@BestCaseScenario @Merchant of Mogadishu

You're right. Islam is not in need of reform. It is perfect. What's in need of reform is your worship of man made hadiths written hundreds of years after the prophet. I bet those women in the video were never shown the hadiths that say they are "deficient in intelligence and religion" or that if they change their mind about their conversion overnight they will he executed for apostasy as prophet Bukhari instructs in his divine and infallible Holy Book. It's almost as they're embarrassed by it.

Tell me this, why did Allah need Bukhari to complete his religion almost three hundred years after his Messenger died? Why not just include those hadiths in the Quran? Did he forget? The Quran is about the same length as the New Testament. The Bible is a longer book. Surely Allah had room for a few more verses about how stupid women are and how white converts who leave Islam should be executed?

Quran is the word of God, Hadith is based on the words of the prophet, the two can not mix. Also, Quran comes first and Hadith is supposed to support, explain, and inform about certain rules the prophet was in place to lay down. So your questions are misplaced. You make it seem that what the prophet taught to Muslims is somehow contradictory to the Quran. Though Muslims do not equate Allah to the prophet, Allah commanded Muslims to obey the prophet and follow his directions. Obeying the messenger is Obeying Allah according to Allah. With that out of the way, rules of the Hadiths are set so people will accept the ones that are:

A- In line with the Quran
B- Authenticated ...

Authentic Hadiths are part of Islamic teachings and without them, many acts of worship would not be clear from the Quran alone. Prayer is one of them. Only through the Hadith did Muslims learn how to perform prayers. The Prophet pbuh explained many times what a verse meant when his companions had questions. Following the prophet is requirement in Islam. It makes no sense to Accept the Quran and reject the Prophet who taught it.

 

[HouseofSamaale]

What's your point?

Islam doesn't claim to be an Arab religion. Heck it doesn't even claim to be attached to any particular nation- hence it is universal.

 

[Xaagi-Cagmadigtee]

Source?

Quran.

What do you mean 'source'? All prophets before Mohammed (PBUH) were non-Arabs, at least that is how I was taught. I am by no means an expert in Islam but who else was/were Arabs?

Prophets Aden, Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus -- all non-Arabs.

Sxb, don't ask me complicated Islamic stuff. After failing dugsi, and parents dejected due to my lack of effort in applying myself, I have enrolled in this link to better myself:

https://www.educationquizzes.com/us/specialist/islam/prophets-of-islam/

Don't judge me.

 

[BestCaseScenario]

Here is why Muslims Obey the messenger and accept his words based on the Quran:


Say Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbelievers. [Quran 3:32]

And whoso obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad) then they will be in the company of those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace, ....... [Quran 4:69]


He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you as a watcher over them. [Quran 4:80]

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

Quran is the word of God, Hadith is based on the words of the prophet, the two can not mix. Also, Quran comes first and Hadith is supposed to support, explain, and inform about certain rules the prophet was in place to lay down. So your questions are misplaced. You make it seem that what the prophet taught to Muslims is somehow contradictory to the Quran. Though Muslims do not equate Allah to the prophet, Allah commanded Muslims to obey the prophet and follow his directions. Obeying the messenger is Obeying Allah according to Allah. With that out of the way, rules of the Hadiths are set so people will accept the ones that are:

A- In line with the Quran
B- Authenticated ...

Authentic Hadiths are part of Islamic teachings and without them, many acts of worship would not be clear from the Quran alone. Prayer is one of them. Only through the Hadith did Muslims learn how to perform prayers. The Prophet pbuh explained many times what a verse meant when his companions had questions. Following the prophet is requirement in Islam. It makes no sense to Accept the Quran and reject the Prophet who taught it.

Allah says the Messenger does not speak his own opinions, he conveys only what was revealed to him, so hadiths are from Allah. So why not include these hadiths in Allah's book? Why did it require human beings to complete the religion?

As noted before, and as you conceded, you don't learn how to pray from hadiths. Nobody does. You learn them from your family. You learn how to worship through the exact same way as hadiths are handed down from generation to generation - through a chain of people teaching others. People would know how to pray even if they never heard of these hadiths, as most of them never have.

Yes, hadiths that merely support what's already in the Quran are legitimate, but there's nothing in the Quran about women's intellectual deficiency or FGM. That's all in the fake hadiths that you follow. They're bid'ah and have been refuted by scholars.

 

[tumal]

Walahi you're a dumbass first of all aid is useless it keeps african countries poorer and makes the rich richer but ofcoof co you want any money from your Masters
Second of all the only people investing in somalia are muslims whether it's qatar turkey or Egypt further more many Arab states forgave Somalia on paying their debt back to them are you blind can't you see Arabs/Turks are helping us more than anyone else ain't no gaal investing in our country I don't know why you hate Arabs that much

turks are genetically different than arabs LOL and Turks are the most secular muslims. They drink alcohol and do whatever they want because they know a relegion from 1500 years ago doesn't hold up to science or reality anymore. You're an idiot and Somalia should leave the arab the league they have never helped us and we should never help them and as for AID remember when that famine happened in Somalia? Not 1 gulf nation offered to help but the rest of the world even countries in East Asia did. You're delusional and arabs are nothing but an enemy. Hopefully one day their shitty religion, culture, and language will be removed from out culture, streets and people