Genetics T-Y45591 migration into the Horn of Africa

Apollo

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Those saudis could be the slaves that were brought from Ethiopia
Unlikely.

It is an Arabian lineage because if you go up further it shows Ashkenazi Jews in Europe who are related to Arabs confirming the Semitic ties.

PS. Abha is the most fertile area of Saudi Arabia.

 

Jablibax

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Unlikely.

It is an Arabian lineage because if you go up further it shows Ashkenazi Jews in Europe who are related to Arabs confirming the Semitic ties.

PS. Abha is the most fertile area of Saudi Arabia.

Fake news haplogroup is like blood type every race have different haplogroup,,,, arabs have j, t , to E1b1b
 
How is dir arab, tl208 is 50k year old clade lol
Isaak and Dir are two separate clans genetically. The latter seems to have more affinity to other Somali T bearers (who are most likely lost Dir) while the Isaak carry their own specific subclade within T-BY181210 with a TMRCA of 750 years. The ancestor of Isaak and Dir split roughly 150 years after the formation of T-BY181210. The question is, did the split take place on the Somali Peninsula or the Arabian peninsula?
 
T-BY181210 is only 1,850 years old. But another study said all Somali T is 2,000 years old.

Their next closest discovered relative are Southwest Saudis at 3,000.

A new one just uploaded it seems:

Very interesting, the focal point for the migration of Y44591 was always the Arabian Peninsula. The question is, is it a northern Arabian lineage, Persian Gulf (eastern Saudi) or a south Arabian (south Semitic) lineage?
 
Isaak and Dir are two separate clans genetically. The latter seems to have more affinity to other Somali T bearers (who are most likely lost Dir) while the Isaak carry their own specific subclade within T-BY181210 with a TMRCA of 750 years. The ancestor of Isaak and Dir split roughly 150 years after the formation of T-BY181210. The question is, did the split take place on the Somali Peninsula or the Arabian peninsula?
Do you 150 years after the formation of T-BY181210?

So the timeline is roughly;

1) 3000 ybp Somali and Arabian subclades split

2) 1850 ybp Somali subclades split

3) 950 ybp Isaaq and Dir T-haplogroup subclades split

4) 750 ybp Isaaq T-haplogroup subclades split
 
Very interesting, the focal point for the migration of Y44591 was always the Arabian Peninsula. The question is, is it a northern Arabian lineage, Persian Gulf (eastern Saudi) or a south Arabian (south Semitic) lineage?
Good question. I think because of the relative absence of it in Yemen and the fact that T-Y16897 is more prevalent in Saudi and Ashkenazi populations, possible origin is north Arabia? But that's just speculation and guesswork.
 
Isaak and Dir are two separate clans genetically. The latter seems to have more affinity to other Somali T bearers (who are most likely lost Dir) while the Isaak carry their own specific subclade within T-BY181210 with a TMRCA of 750 years. The ancestor of Isaak and Dir split roughly 150 years after the formation of T-BY181210. The question is, did the split take place on the Somali Peninsula or the Arabian peninsula?
There is no unique Dir clan subclade that is differentiated from the Isaaq. Dir precedes Isaaq so the two clan identities are in no way contemporaneous. The Dir sample on Yfull is for a Mudug Cabdalla Surre. It has already been calculated that the Ciise and Gadabursi clans will form a different subclade to the Surre T-BY18120. For instance, the Surre Y111 sample does not match closely with either the Isaaq or the Samaron on the FTDNA Relative Search function. In contrast, Isaaq (Habar Yonis) and Gadabursi Y111 samples only have a difference of 10 which confirms without doubt that they are closer to each other than they are to the Surre sample. FTDNA has a relative finder tool which is accurate for Y111 test results. If no matches show up, that means you are definitely not related within the past millennium. The Surre FTDNA sample, which was also submitted to Yfull, does not show up in either of the aforementioned samples.

From the Ciise STR samples in Iacovacci, it also appears that they are closer to the Isaaq and Samaron than they are to the Surre sample. In contrast, the Eastern K5 and Hawiye Djiboutian samples in Iacovacci match more closely to the Surre sample than they do to the Isaaq/Ciise/Samaron samples.

Lastly, there is not yet any genetic evidence for when a 'Dir' ancestor lived as it is a clan identity which probably precedes the Somali adoption of Islam, and not all its members are blood brothers. Nonetheless, there is evidence that clan identities that formed after the adoption of Islam such as Ciise and Isaaq are genetic clan families. For instance, the Ciise samples in Iacovacci and the Isaaq FTDNA samples are most likely the result of a founder effect after the adoption of Islam.

Very interesting, the focal point for the migration of Y44591 was always the Arabian Peninsula. The question is, is it a northern Arabian lineage, Persian Gulf (eastern Saudi) or a south Arabian (south Semitic) lineage?
It probably arrived with the North Arabian expansion into South Semitic Arabia. The new individual on Yfull belongs to the Al Almaai clan (الألمعي).


Don't know how reliable their Wikipedia page but the link is below:

 
Do you 150 years after the formation of T-BY181210?

So the timeline is roughly;

1) 3000 ybp Somali and Arabian subclades split

2) 1850 ybp Somali subclades split

3) 950 ybp Isaaq and Dir T-haplogroup subclades split

4) 750 ybp Isaaq T-haplogroup subclades split
Dir and Isaak TMRCA is 1850 ybp.

Isaak TMRCA is roughly 950-750 ybp.
 
Good question. I think because of the relative absence of it in Yemen and the fact that T-Y16897 is more prevalent in Saudi and Ashkenazi populations, possible origin is north Arabia? But that's just speculation and guesswork.
Y16897 is an eastern Med. lineage but the Y44591 is from the Arabian Peninsula.
 
Do you 150 years after the formation of T-BY181210?

So the timeline is roughly;

1) 3000 ybp Somali and Arabian subclades split

2) 1850 ybp Somali subclades split

3) 950 ybp Isaaq and Dir T-haplogroup subclades split

4) 750 ybp Isaaq T-haplogroup subclades split
The 1850 split is strictly for Isaaq and Surre individuals on Yfull.

The Gadabursi, Isaaq, and probably the Ciise, split will be much less that that.

The 950 split is for Two Garxajis and a Habar Awal individual on Yfull.

The above split dates will most likely change as more samples are uploaded. Hence, take half of the bullshit spouted with a pinch of salt.
 
There is no unique Dir clan subclade that is differentiated from the Isaaq. Dir precedes Isaaq so the two clan identities are in no way contemporaneous. The Dir sample on Yfull is for a Mudug Cabdalla Surre. It has already been calculated that the Ciise and Gadabursi clans will form a different subclade to the Surre T-BY18120. For instance, the Surre Y111 sample does not match closely with either the Isaaq or the Samaron on the FTDNA Relative Search function. In contrast, Isaaq (Habar Yonis) and Gadabursi Y111 samples only have a difference of 10 which confirms without doubt that they are closer to each other than they are to the Surre sample. FTDNA has a relative finder tool which is accurate for Y111 test results. If no matches show up, that means you are definitely not related within the past millennium. The Surre FTDNA sample, which was also submitted to Yfull, does not show up in either of the aforementioned samples.

From the Ciise STR samples in Iacovacci, it also appears that they are closer to the Isaaq and Samaron than they are to the Surre sample. In contrast, the Eastern K5 and Hawiye Djiboutian samples in Iacovacci match more closely to the Surre sample than they do to the Isaaq/Ciise/Samaron samples.

Lastly, there is not yet any genetic evidence for when a 'Dir' ancestor lived as it is a clan identity which probably precedes the Somali adoption of Islam, and not all its members are blood brothers. Nonetheless, there is evidence that clan identities that formed after the adoption of Islam such as Ciise and Isaaq are genetic clan families. For instance, the Ciise samples in Iacovacci and the Isaaq FTDNA samples are most likely the result of a founder effect after the adoption of Islam.



It probably arrived with the North Arabian expansion into South Semitic Arabia. The new individual on Yfull belongs to the Al Almaai clan (الألمعي).


Don't know how reliable their Wikipedia page but the link is below:

Given the geographical distance between Isaak, Gadabursi and Ciisa it would make sense if they form a genetic cluster contra other T-BY181012 carriers but it hasn’t been proven yet.
 

Alexis

Haplogroup T activist.
Given the geographical distance between Isaak, Gadabursi and Ciisa it would make sense if they form a genetic cluster contra other T-BY181012 carriers but it hasn’t been proven yet.
Wouldn’t that mean that Isaaq is indeed Dir ?
 

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