T-Y45591 migration into the Horn of Africa

[Moholin01]

The most popular hypothesis is that it arrived via South Arabians due to proximity and archeological findings in Somaliland showing the remains of South Semitic peoples. However, I think maybe the progenitor of the T-haplogroup Somalis might've come from North Arabian speaking populations:

1) There is currently no evidence not T-Y45591 being present in Yemen. The only non-somalis to have it happen to come from Hijaz and the Persian gulf. Why would T-Y45591 be absent in Yemen if the Somali subclass originated there?

2) Inscriptions found in Northern Somali could just as easily be from North/old Arabian populations that used the same script as South Semitic speakers.

So it could either be population from Mesopotamia that migrated via the gulf or a population from northern Arabia/Jordan that migrated via the red sea coast of modern day Saudi Arabia

The attached map implies a migration by T-haplogroup individuals from Arabia via Hijaz to the Red sea coast of Eritrea and Djibouti.

What do you guys think?

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[Mckenzie]

Samaale was from North Africa. Yemen was his pitstop. Wiki agrees too.

Shariif 'Aydaruus Shariif 'Ali's records in his book Bughyat al-amaal fii taariikh as-Soomaal that Samaale was Uthman the son of Mahamed, a military leader commanding an army sent from Egypt, Suez to East Africa, Mogadishu to aid and join the Muslims in their fight against their enemies. They waged a war and when Samaale heard the news of his father passing away he migrated from his homeland Yemen to East Africa and made it his homeland marrying from the locals. Thus Uthman (Samaale) came to live in the area we know today as the Somali peninsula and founded the Samaale group.

 

[Deleted L]

Samaale was from North Africa. Yemen was his pitstop. Wiki agrees too.

So Samaale was Cushitic or what? Also don't believe Wiki, it's edited and fabricated by a bunch of Arab loving trolls

 

[Susa]

Dir taking some hard ass L's being decedents from sand nigga pagans? Yaaaaap

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Samaale was from North Africa. Yemen was his pitstop. Wiki agrees too.

I doubt he was a Medieval Ethnic Egyptian/North African who came & married Horn African women. Somalis generally don't have noticeable amounts of Egyptian/Copt ancestry. Interesting story though.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

I doubt he was a Medieval Ethnic Egyptian/North African who came & married Horn African women. Somalis generally don't have noticeable amounts of Egyptian/Copt ancestry. Interesting story though.

Arent we mixed with nilotic

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Samaale was from North Africa. Yemen was his pitstop. Wiki agrees too.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Arent we mixed with nilotic

Yes, but it's ancient. On top of that, our SSA ancestry is not completely Nilotic, roughly ~10% of it is Horner/Somali Hunter Gatherer ancestry.

Mind you Somali Hunter Gatherers are extinct.

 

[NotoriusBIG-V2]

Dir taking some hard ass L's being decedents from sand nigga pagans? Yaaaaap

we ain't taking no Ls, I can't afford too.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Yes, but it's ancient. On top of that, our SSA ancestry is not completely Nilotic, roughly ~10% of it is Horner/Somali Hunter Gatherer ancestry.

Mind you Somali Hunter Gatherers are extinct.

Somali hunter gatherer? Woaaah where r them what happend to them so basically we r 10 hunter nilotic n North African?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Somali hunter gatherer? Woaaah where r them what happend to them so basically we r 10 hunter nilotic n North African?

Long story short, our Cushite ancestors migrated to the Horn from North Sudan & wiped out the indigenous inhabitants who were Hunter Gatherers in the Somali Peninsula.

 

[The Somali Caesar]

I’m a T-L208 Isaaqi. I don’t think T is Arabian in orgin rather it’s possibly Persian/Mesotompia area.

As most Middle Eastern Arabs for the most part are Haplogroup J. I think the only real exception is Egypt who are predominantly haplogroup E.

 

[Moholin01]

I’m a T-L208 Isaaqi. I don’t think T is Arabian in orgin rather it’s possibly Persian/Mesotompia area.

As most Middle Eastern Arabs for the most part are Haplogroup J. I think the only real exception is Egypt who are predominantly haplogroup E.

I wasn't talking about T-haplogroup. That's very old and is probably 40-50,000 years old. I'm talking about a subclade of T-M70 that is only found in Somalis and a handful of tested Arabs - T-Y45591.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Nigga your wrong, it’s Dir that are arabs

How is dir arab, tl208 is 50k year old clade lol

 

[Arabsiyawi]

How is dir arab, tl208 is 50k year old clade lol

You lack basic comprehension of haplogroups saaxib, but it’s no pb don’t worry.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

You lack basic comprehension of haplogroups saaxib, but it’s no pb don’t worry.

Not really just ur haplogroup is T doesnt mean ur arab caadi iska dhig ninyahow dir ba tahay haplogroup T is 60k years.....

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@Alexis majority of haplogroup is mutations of ct ... https://www.yfull.com/tree/CT/

 

[Apollo]

Not really just ur haplogroup is T doesnt mean ur arab caadi iska dhig ninyahow dir ba tahay haplogroup T is 60k years.....

It is possible they descend from a South Semitic speaking man who crossed from Yemen to Djibouti about 2,000 years ago.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

It is possible they descend from a South Semitic speaking man who crossed from Yemen to Djibouti about 2,000 years ago.

How ist possible when haplogroup group T is 46k year old ..... you don't make sense

 

[Apollo]

How ist possible when haplogroup group T is 46k year old ..... you don't make sense

T-BY181210 is only 1,850 years old. But another study said all Somali T is 2,000 years old.

Their next closest discovered relative are Southwest Saudis at 3,000.

A new one just uploaded it seems:

T-Y45591 YTree

www.yfull.com