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To say that Somaliland was a colony is offensive. As far as Somaliland is concerned, it's not historically accurate.

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Somalia Italiana was a full blown colony with upto 60,000 white Italians settlers. Somaliland was not a colony, it was only a protectorate of Great Britain, with whom it had legal agreements. It only became such because the community leaders had signed treaties with the Brits. The definition of a treaty is "a formally concluded and ratified agreement between states" Here is an example.


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The primary concern of the British with regards to Somaliland was only ever to deny their European competitors a foothold in that very strategic part of Africa. There is also another reason Somaliland wasn’t a colony as say Kenya or Somalia Italiana were, Somaliland is and was not particularly suitable for commercial scale agriculture and there were no other natural resources as such. Somaliland also did not have large urban population whom the Brits could tax or govern because the population, beyond the port of Berbera and the towns in the hinterland, was largely nomadic. Because by this time >90% of Africa had already been colonised, the community leaders agreed to this arrangement in return for protection to ensure that they could keep out other European and foreign powers from their country.

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This meant that Brits only ever had a very small presence in Somaliland, often not extending beyond the port town of Berbera and a few other towns. This was in accordance with the nominal protectorate status of Somaliland. For the most part, the locals were free to and did indeed rule themselves. They nomads carried on with their lives. The business people in the port towns continued trading. At no point did the Somali inhabitants see the Brits as “their masters”. Somalis are known for their independence and strict adherence to their culture and religion. The British left no trial or evidence of their presence in Somaliland, because they were hardly present at all.

Above I mentioned there were treaties that the community leaders and elders signed with the Brits. Those treaties defined very clearly, unequivocally and explicitly the nature and extent of the relationship between Great Britain and Somaliland. The Brits could not: claim Somaliland as a colony, or claim proprietorship or sovereignty over the land, except to the minimal and nominal extent allowed by the treaties, which was face-value and for strategic security reasons only. They could not legally marry the locals, build any churches or propagate their religion openly or distribute bibles. They could not bury their dead except in one specified graveyard in the town of Hargeisa, but even there they could only bury their Muslim employees from Yemen and India. They could not bear children in the country. They could not construct buildings or plant flora except in those towns specified in the treaties. Somalilanders even went around uprooting any trees planted by the British in Hargeisa and Berbera because this violated the treaties.

And the Brits had good reason to agree to the above terms because Somalis fought one of the, longest running and bloodiest colonial resistance wars in the history of Africa. Somalis fought invading forces during the late 1800’s to the early 1900’s. Somalis had previously fought and successfully repelled Portuguese expeditions throughout the 16th century and liberated various other African peoples in South-Eastern Africa (in places like Kilwa). In these later times, the Somali states, and particularly the ex-Somaliland Dervish State, which was mainly led by Harti and Isaaq reer wayooqi concurrently fought and successfully repelled continues and co-ordinated attacks by invading British, Italian and Abyssinian forces for a period of 25 years or quarter of a century.

By 1920 when >90% of Africa was colonised, Somalis (the ex-Somaliland Dervish state) maintained their independence and were indeed the only independent Muslim power on the African continent during WW1. In total 4 British expeditions/attempts to militarily conquer the northern part of the Somali Peninsula were repelled and ended in failure. In this war Corfield, the man leading the British expeditions to the Somali coast was killed as the British and other invading forces were repelled. Concurrently Abyssinian (Ethiopian) expeditions/invasions into Somali lands were on-going, which were as part of a conspired joints concerted effort with the British. One of these expeditions consisted of an army of 11,000 Abyssinian troops – they were soundly defeated, with only 200 soldiers returning alive and the Abyssinians subsequently refrained from further expeditions into the interior of Somalia.

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When the British could not over-run the local Ex-Somaliland Somali Dervish State they did two things. First they signed treaties with the locals which resulted in what prospectively was known as The British Somaliland Protectorate. Second the Brits used aerial bombardment in 1920 to win the war decisively and defeat the resistance. The Northern Somali Peninsula became the first place in sub-saharan Africa and the second place in Continent of Africa where aircraft was used in warfare.


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thank you that's my point exactly

Brits only ever had a very small presence in Somaliland, often not extending beyond the port town of Berbera, Hargeisa and Sheikh. Because by this time >90% of Africa had already been colonised, the community leaders agreed to this arrangement in return for protection to ensure that they could keep out other European and foreign powers from their country. It was also a way to secure the Berbera-Adan livestock trade as Britain was in control of Adan. It was a strategic security and business decision to 'secure the bag'
 
thank you that's my point exactly

Brits only ever had a very small presence in Somaliland, often not extending beyond the port town of Berbera, Hargeisa and Sheikh. Because by this time >90% of Africa had already been colonised, the community leaders agreed to this arrangement in return for protection to ensure that they could keep out other European and foreign powers from their country. It was also a way to secure the Berbera-Adan livestock trade as Britain was in control of Adan. It was a strategic security and business decision to 'secure the bag'
They had direct rule by the 20s.
 
They had direct rule by the 20s.

That's on paper only

In practice British rule of Somaliland was nominal only

They didnt pass a few buildings in Hargeisa, Berbera and Sheikh

In their own words the land was too hot, dry and the people too hostile
 
You ppl dont know the difference between a Protectorate and a Colony

Somalia Italiana was very different

It was a full blown colony

Settled by 270,000 Italian settlers

Dont hate us cuz we have different standards and signed treaties

Here is the evidence

In 1935, there were over 50,000 Italians settlers living in Italian Somaliland, constituting 5% of the territory's population.[39][55][56] Of those, 20,000 resided in Mogadishu (Mogadiscio), representing around 40% of the city's 50,000 residents.[55][57][58] Mogadishu was an administrative capital of Italian East Africa, and new buildings were erected in the Italian architectural tradition. Other Italian settler communities were concentrated in Jowhar, Adale (Itala), Janale, Jamame, and Kismayo.[59] These figures do not include the more than 220,000 Italian soldiers stationed throughout Italian Somaliland during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War.[60]
 

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While he was stationed in Berbera, Heape enjoyed shooting Sandgrouse at the nearby waterholes, which he recorded in his Game Book. He particularly enjoyed camping out in the bush with his Somali servants.




"Somali (Isaaq)servants"


Well if u take honor in being called servants of the British, go ahead.:faysalwtf:
 
Small minded people hehe

You are talking about individuals

I am talking about the big picture, the overall, the system in each region

Can you see how light the British presence in Somaliland Protectorate was?

Now compare that with that with Somalia Italian Colony with 270,000 Italian Colonial settlers and soldiers




In 1935, there were over 50,000 Italians settlers living in Italian Somaliland, constituting 5% of the territory's population.[39][55][56] Of those, 20,000 resided in Mogadishu (Mogadiscio), representing around 40% of the city's 50,000 residents.[55][57][58] Mogadishu was an administrative capital of Italian East Africa, and new buildings were erected in the Italian architectural tradition. Other Italian settler communities were concentrated in Jowhar, Adale (Itala),Janale, Jamame, and Kismayo.[59] These figures do not include the more than 220,000 Italian soldiers stationedthroughout Italian Somaliland during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War.[60]

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What a load of waffle. Sxb Kenya was a 'protectorate' too you know. You were colonised just move on now, is it everyday 'WE WASN'T COLONISED LIKE THE REST OF SOMALIA'? Jheeez. It's 2018 perhaps direct this energy towards solving the widespread poverty in your clan enclave.
 
What a load of waffle. Sxb Kenya was a 'protectorate' too you know. You were colonised just move on now, is it everyday 'WE WASN'T COLONISED LIKE THE REST OF SOMALIA'? Jheeez. It's 2018 perhaps direct this energy towards solving the widespread poverty in your clan enclave.

You're wrong for several reasons

1. The facts don't support your case. In Kenya there is clear, unambiguous, undeniable evidence of colonisation. English Language. English religion (Christianity). English names of cities and towns. English colonial settlers who still live there. English built houses, cities and churches throughout. Kenyans even adopted English names for themselves. In Somaliland there is little to no evidence of colonisation - because it was never colonised but it did have a legal and business agreement in the form of a Treaty with the British that created the Somaliland Protectorate. The British may as well not have been there at all. Well they were only there with a small nominal presence only.

2. Kenya was called the "Kenyan Colony" explicitly whilst Somaliland was never called "Somaliland colony". This is because

The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya was part of the British Empire in Africa from 1920 until 1963. The Colony of Kenya It was established when the former East Africa Protectorate was transformed into a British Crown colony in 1920.

3. The original treaties between Somaliland clans and Britain that established Somaliland protectorate were only abolished by another treaty between Somaliland Government and the UK.

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You're wrong for several reasons

1. The facts don't support your case. In Kenya there is clear, unambiguous, undeniable evidence of colonisation. English Language. English religion (Christianity). English names of cities and towns. English colonial settlers who still live there. English built houses, cities and churches throughout. Kenyans even adopted English names for themselves. In Somaliland there is little to no evidence of colonisation - because it was never colonised but it did have a legal and business agreement in the form of a Treaty with the British that created the Somaliland Protectorate. The British may as well not have been there at all. Well they were only there with a small nominal presence only.

2. Kenya was called the "Kenyan Colony" explicitly whilst Somaliland was never called "Somaliland colony". This is because

The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya was part of the British Empire in Africa from 1920 until 1963. The Colony of Kenya It was established when the former East Africa Protectorate was transformed into a British Crown colony in 1920.

3. The original treaties between Somaliland clans and Britain that established Somaliland protectorate were only abolished by another treaty between Somaliland Government and the UK.

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1. Even in the rest of Somalia there is no evidence of an Italian colonisation- nobody speaks the language and we havent adopted their culture. In fact, it doesn't even have a relationship today with Italy unlike certain people that are currently begging their way into the Commonwealth.


2. So you didnt see the British article surfacing right now on social media where 'SL' is clearly referred to as a 'colony', and even went as far as calling SL 'barren', 'barely hospitable' and 'pointless'?

3. Yeah yeah so we're really gonna act like a treaty is proof that there was no colonisation?

It's funny you say 'SL' wasn't a colony and Kenya was, but Kenya is doing much better than SL in every aspect, you're even importing their curriculum into your schools. Maybe it was better for you to be a colony then? kkkk.

What happened to this generation of Isaaqs? Your forefathers were known as people with dignity, pride and dhiig but this generation is absolute trash wallahi everyday talking about some dumb shit.
 
What happened to this generation of Isaaqs? Your forefathers were known as people with dignity, pride and dhiig but this generation is absolute trash wallahi everyday talking about some dumb shit.

A southern nationalist talking about dignity, pride and dhiig

Aduunyo go'doon

I swear you playin

When you hail from the land of terror, amisom and chaos

When you lot invited Ethiopian, Kenya, Burundian, Nigerian, Ugandan and Sierra Leoni troops

You trippin baby

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A southern nationalist talking about dignity, pride and dhiig

Aduunyo go'doon

I swear you playin

When you hail from the land of terror, amisom and chaos

When you lot invited Ethiopian, Kenya, Burundian, Nigerian, Ugandan and Sierra Leoni troops

You trippin baby

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We invited African troops? They're called African Peacekeeping troops and they came to help with the fight against Alshabaab.

As usual, when ilmo Biixi can't reply to your points they often shout buzzwords like 'amisom, terrorism' etc like their demented grandmother Edna Adan. It's okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Xamar with its amisom and alshabaab is still doing better than your entire clan enclave but hey- let's not talk about that.
 
We invited African troops? They're called African Peacekeeping troops and they came to help with the fight against Alshabaab.

As usual, when ilmo Biixi can't reply to your points they often shout buzzwords like 'amisom, terrorism' etc like their demented grandmother Edna Adan. It's okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Xamar with its amisom and alshabaab is still doing better than your entire clan enclave but hey- let's not talk about that.

No the fucking tooth fairies invited them

Typical Somali unionist extremist

Always blaming others for your problems and shortcomings

One day it is Ethiopia, then Somaliland, then UAE, next it is Israel

Sort ur shit out in the South Xaawo and get out of SL way

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Seeing the majeerteen kingdom on those maps..

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These isaaqs kids are funny.



Guys there was nothing worth value in isaaq land other than Berbers port which was close to Yemen..

British folks settled in every colony protectorate including Kenya if it made money...

Kulaha 5.000.000 million Italians stayed in southern Somalia....duuh there was something to gain from colonizing the south u idiot hence the entire world is carving it up to today...

Besides I would be ashamed by if I were an isaaq trying to prove a point of how much of a nation isaaq land is and then post a map were isaaq are colonized like all other Somalis but MAJEERTEEN are recognized administration a land ruled by majeerteen Sultanate ...

Not one but two..

If one of Somaliland puntland has the right to independence based on late 1800 and early 1900 history you would be automatically be below MAJEERTEEN



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People need to learn difference between a colony and a protectorate. Colonized means you were conquered and under direct control while protectorate means your a client state and not directly controlled since your an autonomous region and that you independently govern yourself.

I hope @XaawoLuul and @SomaliWadaniSoldier knows better now since historically the three Somaliland European states were not conquered but were client states so Yes, we were never colonized.
 
Seeing the majeerteen kingdom on those maps..

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These isaaqs kids are funny.



Guys there was nothing worth value in isaaq land other than Berbers port which was close to Yemen..

British folks settled in every colony protectorate including Kenya if it made money...

Kulaha 5.000.000 million Italians stayed in southern Somalia....duuh there was something to gain from colonizing the south u idiot hence the entire world is carving it up to today...

Besides I would be ashamed by if I were an isaaq trying to prove a point of how much of a nation isaaq land is and then post a map were isaaq are colonized like all other Somalis but MAJEERTEEN are recognized administration a land ruled by majeerteen Sultanate ...

Not one but two..

If one of Somaliland puntland has the right to independence based on late 1800 and early 1900 history you would be automatically be below MAJEERTEEN



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Plus the hobyo sultanate

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