Most Somali Diaspora's (born in the diaspora) are dead/in the gutter

[TheAnswer]

Somali standards are so low, merely not being killed or locked up is an extraordinary achievement

Its the same sad story at the political level. An cadaan political analyst was once taken aback by excessive gloating from some somalilanders, and he said "What have they managed to accomplish except not savagely killing themselves?" Only Somalis think living like normal human beings needs special recognition

As people like me have been saying for ages, Islam and your culture have failed you Somalis. The reason why all the fathers abandoned their families is because this demonic religion allows them to marry and divorce women like its switching to a new t-shirt. And without fathers and stable families, the youth degrade into utter sub-human, drug and crime addicted garbage. Or least a very large percentage of them do. Somalis as a whole need to hit the cultural 'reset' botton. Start from scratch, get a new religion. Nothing will change unless drastic steps are taken. This may sound dramatic, but all the dead bodies speak for themselves.

Somalis are a failed people wallahi. It's time to embrace our identity as Americans @VixR

 

[astorecalledkmart]

Somali standards are so low, merely not being killed or locked up is an extraordinary achievement

Its the same sad story at the political level. An cadaan political analyst was once taken aback by excessive gloating from some somalilanders, and he said "What have they managed to accomplish except not savagely killing themselves?" Only Somalis think living like normal human beings needs special recognition

As people like me have been saying for ages, Islam and your culture have failed you Somalis. The reason why all the fathers abandoned their families is because this demonic religion allows them to marry and divorce women like its switching to a new t-shirt. And without fathers and stable families, the youth degrade into utter sub-human, drug and crime addicted garbage. Or least a very large percentage of them do. Somalis as a whole need to hit the cultural 'reset' botton. Start from scratch, get a new religion. Nothing will change unless drastic steps are taken. This may sound dramatic, but all the dead bodies speak for themselves.

Somalis are a failed people wallahi. It's time to embrace our identity as Americans @VixR

The marriage criticism due to religion doesn't work - Surah Nisa (4th surah) was revealed following the Battle of Uhud when many widows and orphans were made. Verse 3 specifically discusses marrying women whose fathers were killed so as to protect them from being abused by a grossly misogynistic society, and even then, capped it at 4 - there is no cap on the number of wives in any other religion. Furthermore, a man could only marry more than one wife if he could treat them all equally and justly, before God says in verse 129 of the same Surah that man is incapable of treating women equally, thus negating polygamy for men who weren't prophets.

This is further supported by Surah Ahzab verse 50 which discusses the marriage rights and responsibilities of the Prophet PBUH and specifically states that his marriage rights do not extend to others, again cementing the argument that having more than one wife isn't supported by the religion.

 

[astorecalledkmart]

Somali standards are so low, merely not being killed or locked up is an extraordinary achievement

Its the same sad story at the political level. An cadaan political analyst was once taken aback by excessive gloating from some somalilanders, and he said "What have they managed to accomplish except not savagely killing themselves?" Only Somalis think living like normal human beings needs special recognition

As people like me have been saying for ages, Islam and your culture have failed you Somalis. The reason why all the fathers abandoned their families is because this demonic religion allows them to marry and divorce women like its switching to a new t-shirt. And without fathers and stable families, the youth degrade into utter sub-human, drug and crime addicted garbage. Or least a very large percentage of them do. Somalis as a whole need to hit the cultural 'reset' botton. Start from scratch, get a new religion. Nothing will change unless drastic steps are taken. This may sound dramatic, but all the dead bodies speak for themselves.

Somalis are a failed people wallahi. It's time to embrace our identity as Americans @VixR

Furthermore, by your logic of Islam being responsible for our problems, how would you explain a society like that of Malaysia, whose economic and social parameters have been improving decade by decade and have consistently demonstrated a positive correlation with the proportion of the nation who identifies as Muslim?

How would you explain a country like European Ukraine who has been at war with itself and it's fellow Orthodox neighbour Russia? Or Latin America with violent crime and drug cartels, and violence which has spilled over into Hispanic Americans who are overwhelmingly Catholic?

Please feel free to provide an example of a new religion which would solve our problems.
Blaming the shortcomings of the Somali people on Islam is like blaming the societal problems of India on yoga. You have valid points on criticizing Somali culture, but your hatred of Islam makes it difficult to take you seriously when you make such asinine comments about a religion followed by one in five human beings sxb.

 

[TheAnswer]

The marriage criticism due to religion doesn't work - Surah Nisa (4th surah) was revealed following the Battle of Uhud when many widows and orphans were made. Verse 3 specifically discusses marrying women whose fathers were killed so as to protect them from being abused by a grossly misogynistic society, and even then, capped it at 4 - there is no cap on the number of wives in any other religion. Furthermore, a man could only marry more than one wife if he could treat them all equally and justly, before God says in verse 129 of the same Surah that man is incapable of treating women equally, thus negating polygamy for men who weren't prophets.

This is further supported by Surah Ahzab verse 50 which discusses the marriage rights and responsibilities of the Prophet PBUH and specifically states that his marriage rights do not extend to others, again cementing the argument that having more than one wife isn't supported by the religion.

You are arguing something that would be considered blasphemous by most practicing Sunni Muslims. You are saying that men are not allowed to marry more than 1 wife. So you are essentially telling all of these people their fathers and grandfathers have been living in and having children in sin, and you are presenting a theological argument that is outside of the sunni mainstream.

 

[TheAnswer]

Furthermore, by your logic of Islam being responsible for our problems, how would you explain a society like that of Malaysia, whose economic and social parameters have been improving decade by decade and have consistently demonstrated a positive correlation with the proportion of the nation who identifies as Muslim?

How would you explain a country like European Ukraine who has been at war with itself and it's fellow Orthodox neighbour Russia? Or Latin America with violent crime and drug cartels, and violence which has spilled over into Hispanic Americans who are overwhelmingly Catholic?

Please feel free to provide an example of a new religion which would solve our problems.
Blaming the shortcomings of the Somali people on Islam is like blaming the societal problems of India on yoga. You have valid points on criticizing Somali culture, but your hatred of Islam makes it difficult to take you seriously when you make such asinine comments about a religion followed by one in five human beings sxb.

Malaysia is successful in spite of being Muslim, not because of it.

They have the following factors going for them:
-a location next to the busiest shipping lanes in the world
-great natural resources
-A large, highly entrepreneurial, atheistic, and hard-working Chinese minority
-"The Singapore effect"---being located next to this rich Chinese -city state leads to a lot of spillover business

Islam had nothing to do with Malaysia's success. And in fact, non-Muslim Malaysians are more successful economically than Muslim ones

 

[astorecalledkmart]

You are arguing something that would be considered blasphemous by most practicing Sunni Muslims. You are saying that men are not allowed to marry more than 1 wife. So you are essentially telling all of these people their fathers and grandfathers have been living in and having children in sin, and you are presenting a theological argument that is outside of the sunni mainstream.

Surah Nisa stipulates that more than one wife, who was orphaned during the battle of Uhud, is acceptable if only you treat your wives justly before the same surah says man cannot be just between his wives. I am simply presenting to you what it says in the Quran. Many of our forefathers did indeed have more than one wife, but many of them lived in ignorance and did not know the difference between Arab culture and the religion of Islam, but ultimately each man is responsible for his own actions and if any man marries more than one wife and does not treat his wives perfectly equally, then he must answer to his Creator, whether that man is my ancestor or not. His children however are halal, he just puts himself in a bad situation. May Allah forgive them and us for our sins.

I am a Muslim, not a Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, or anything else. I reject political labels such as Sunni and Shia which were made after the death of the Prophet PBUH and our religion finalized in order to create chaos, division, and violence in the world. Let he who wishes to be a Shia or Sunni live and die as such. I on the other hand do not wish to be interrogated by the angels of the grave after I die only to reply with Shia or Sunni as my religion instead of Islam.

 

[astorecalledkmart]

Malaysia is successful in spite of being Muslim, not because of it.

They have the following factors going for them:
-a location next to the busiest shipping lanes in the world
-great natural resources
-A large, highly entrepreneurial, atheistic, and hard-working Chinese minority
-"The Singapore effect"---being located next to this rich Chinese -city state leads to a lot of spillover business

Islam had nothing to do with Malaysia's success. And in fact, non-Muslim Malaysians are more successful economically than Muslim ones

1. Somalia and Yemen are both next to busy shipping lanes, as are all southern African nations. That does not lead to wealth.

2. Malaysia's natural resources were primarily oil and rubber, both of which were practically exhausted by Britain and then Japan in WW2

3. The Chinese population represented a greater proportion in the 1960s and 70s and they do now.

4. Singapore was granted independence from Malaysia in 1965. Upon independence, Singapore had a tiny domestic market and high levels of unemployment and poverty. Malaysia is and has always been richer than Singapore as a nation.

 

[TheAnswer]

Surah Nisa stipulates that more than one wife, who was orphaned during the battle of Uhud, is acceptable if only you treat your wives justly before the same surah says man cannot be just between his wives. I am simply presenting to you what it says in the Quran. Many of our forefathers did indeed have more than one wife, but many of them lived in ignorance and did not know the difference between Arab culture and the religion of Islam, but ultimately each man is responsible for his own actions and if any man marries more than one wife and does not treat his wives perfectly equally, then he must answer to his Creator, whether that man is my ancestor or not. His children however are halal, he just puts himself in a bad situation. May Allah forgive them and us for our sins.

I am a Muslim, not a Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, or anything else. I reject political labels such as Sunni and Shia which were made after the death of the Prophet PBUH and our religion finalized in order to create chaos, division, and violence in the world. Let he who wishes to be a Shia or Sunni live and die as such. I on the other hand do not wish to be interrogated by the angels of the grave after I die only to reply with Shia or Sunni as my religion instead of Islam.

So essentially you are telling me you are a Quranist---somebody who rejects mainstream interpretations of Islam and instead relies on his own individual understanding of the Quran. That is the only explanation as to why you are arguing that 4 wives is forbidden to Muslim men when all the mainstream clerics say its halal.

 

[TheAnswer]

1. Somalia and Yemen are both next to busy shipping lanes, as are all southern African nations. That does not lead to wealth.

2. Malaysia's natural resources were primarily oil and rubber, both of which were practically exhausted by Britain and then Japan in WW2

3. The Chinese population represented a greater proportion in the 1960s and 70s and they do now.

4. Singapore was granted independence from Malaysia in 1965. Upon independence, Singapore had a tiny domestic market and high levels of unemployment and poverty. Malaysia is and has always been richer than Singapore as a nation.

you don't know what you're talking about.

Somalia and Yemen might be next to busy shipping lanes, but they are both too heavily Muslim and therefore backward. If Somalia had a large Chinese ethnic minority whose only god was making money, maybe everyone there would not be on the verge of starvation.

As for Singapore, the key word is "upon independence." Within a few years, they quickly began attracting FDI and became a global manufacturing center, especially for semiconductors. They became so successful that like I said, it led to a spillover into Malaysia.

I'm at work so i don't have time for a long back and fourth. please educate yourself and stop promoting this primitive religion which is associated with violence and poverty in nearly every place on this earth where it is practiced except for a tiny handful of exceptions due to extraordinary local conditions.

 

[Calaf]

Allahmduliah, When I was younger my parents removed me from the west and made me a native
I visited the world, from Rwanda and Djibouti to Russia and China , when I wa younger
I got good grades in Somalia and now I am living my best life with my wife

A couple of months ago, I was told my friend in the UK, was jailed for life over some stupid things
Other Somali boys that I went Primary with , Dead, Jailed, Daqan Celis, Gangsters and one clever boy, who is going good for himself (Goes to UCL) and a footballer for Liverpool Under 23. But the Liverpool player is unfortunately a Henny drinker and a zina boy

So I praise Allah for this opportunity!

 

[Calaf]

you don't know what you're talking about.

Somalia and Yemen might be next to busy shipping lanes, but they are both too heavily Muslim and therefore backward. If Somalia had a large Chinese ethnic minority whose only god was making money, maybe everyone there would not be on the verge of starvation.

As for Singapore, the key word is "upon independence." Within a few years, they quickly began attracting FDI and became a global manufacturing center, especially for semiconductors. They became so successful that like I said, it led to a spillover into Malaysia.

I'm at work so i don't have time for a long back and fourth. please educate yourself and stop promoting this primitive religion which is associated with violence and poverty in nearly every place on this earth where it is practiced except for a tiny handful of exceptions due to extraordinary local conditions.

Malaysia success is dripived from its deep Muslim inheritance

Making this quick for you, It was due to Mahathir Mohamad Islamization of Malaysia and also of his strong policy's, but was mainly due to Islamization. Also Singapore success was deprived from its leader, Lee Kuan Yew, and it did not spillover before independence nor after.

South Korea - Economic Boom, Why no spillover to the North?

 

[Figo]

Not one Alhamdulilah in your post.

Don't forget your Alhamdulilah in the future young king.

 

[Bohol]

Sounds like Canadian & American problems. Life expectancy for Somali males in Canada is 25 and females 31.

 

[imperialist]

Imagine bragging about being one of the few alive among your friends and a random cunsuri shots you in the temple

 

[astorecalledkmart]

you don't know what you're talking about.

Somalia and Yemen might be next to busy shipping lanes, but they are both too heavily Muslim and therefore backward. If Somalia had a large Chinese ethnic minority whose only god was making money, maybe everyone there would not be on the verge of starvation.

As for Singapore, the key word is "upon independence." Within a few years, they quickly began attracting FDI and became a global manufacturing center, especially for semiconductors. They became so successful that like I said, it led to a spillover into Malaysia.

I'm at work so i don't have time for a long back and fourth. please educate yourself and stop promoting this primitive religion which is associated with violence and poverty in nearly every place on this earth where it is practiced except for a tiny handful of exceptions due to extraordinary local conditions.

Someone who follows the Quran and looks to hadeeth for further guidance is a Muslim. In my humble opinion, I do not think that you're really in a position to tell me how to describe my own religious affiliation sxb.

Your shipping lane analogy still doesn't explain poverty in non-Muslim African nations next to busy lanes, and as mentioned by @Calaf above, how come the spillover effect from both South Korea and China have not helped North Korea?

Malaysia is richer than Singapore and has remained richer - spillover there is like saying Canadian spillover is the reason for America's economic success.

As soon as someone begins to say things like "you don't know what you're talking about" or "educate yourself" and "I don't have time for a long back and forth", the discussion has run it's course and the other party has exhausted their arguments. Like I alluded to earlier, if you do not present points beyond the cyclical "Islam is bad" narrative without being able to defend your points when countered, there isn't much reason to post beyond the act of posting in hopes of triggering someone less prepared to rebuttal you.

 

[Amal44]

Absolutely we wild out here. The amount of dudes I know that ended up dead before 25 is crazy.

There were 31 unsolved murders in Alberta Canada that remain unsolved to this day. Young Somali men gunned down.

If you visit the cemetery there almost every tombstone has a Somali name with the date of birth being in the 90's 80's or even early 2000's.

 

[RICH]

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I was thinking the same thing!! Reer Henny

 

[Nomoregames2019]

Truly think about it.

Have you?

I spoke with an old friend recently from the old neighborhood, and most of the somalis we grew up with are either dead or in jail, or doing so shitty they might as well be dead. Like a dude I know who dropped out of college/uni his parents forced him to marry a girl from back home, but he don't speak any somali, she recently divorced him cause he started beating on her. and his parents are thinking where did they go wrong.

And it just made me think, damn. he was also the person who taught everyone how to smoke weed , obviously he was gonna beat up this xalimo who don't speak english lol.

But homegirl was updating me on the status of the old squad im going "No wait, your telling me XYZ got capped in a PARKING LOT? Really???" " So and So in jail for rape? I knew he was always grimey , whatchu mean this one girl was doing finacial banking fraud with cards , she doing 3-5???"

I was shocked. For real lol.

Later on I pondered and reflected, I fucking made it. I'm alive, f*ck those dead mother fuckers. Why couldn't they just make it like I did.

I made it here by the skin of my motherfucking teeth.

I honestly predict, by the time my generation reaches our 40s ( the ones born in the west), only 30% of us will be alive , so that just tells me, I need to leave a good clean legacy, so my name lives on forever.

I am deeply sorry that you were born into a low IQ family and grew up with Low IQ hoodlums but I don't think its fair representation to generalize the whole Somali diaspora in the west as being utter failures and crime-ridden thugs/drug addicts because your family and friends had the combined IQ of about 56.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Malaysia is successful in spite of being Muslim, not because of it.

They have the following factors going for them:
-a location next to the busiest shipping lanes in the world
-great natural resources
-A large, highly entrepreneurial, atheistic, and hard-working Chinese minority
-"The Singapore effect"---being located next to this rich Chinese -city state leads to a lot of spillover business

Islam had nothing to do with Malaysia's success. And in fact, non-Muslim Malaysians are more successful economically than Muslim ones

But based on your criticism that Islam being the basis for Somali failure, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain etc should fail too. Your own logic saxib. You can't change your argument line when it fails without admitting it was a failure.

People doing drugs and making bad choices, or being born into tough circumstances is not the same as what their religion is. In fact, Islam warns people of self-destruction and bans drugs, alcohol, gambling, cheating, stealing, and encourages good working ethics and eating halal earnings.

 

[Barwaaqoforsomalia]

Alhamdulillah, none of my friends died, none of them went to jail, and all of them are in college. Thanks, this post makes me appreciate my friends.