Y’all need to stop calling the Galbeed “Ogadenia”

[Dharbash]

Yellow is Darod not Ogaden. And this is quite an old map

Very old map, the dhulbahante side of hawd has since expanded to 3x what’s shown on this silly map

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Yellow is Darod not Ogaden. And this is quite an old map

Ogadenia refers to Darod inhabited areas of western Somalia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farjano-Walad see what 'republicanism' did it said all Somalis own and are equal to the land. So they started to call lands after 'directions' to enforce the republican identity less and classless society purely down to 'direction' of Somali populations. So your now called 'galbeedi' and I am called 'Bariga'. It's an assault on the original sultanates and monarchs here to make the land all somali and they need to that thru creating fictious 'directions' on compass and group it as 'somalis' in the north-east-west-south, we must reject this assault from somali republicaans. May this vicious shuuci system be destroyed and may the monarchies rule again

 

[DR OSMAN]

@BlackJack Darod lands are not reporting to the somali 'republic' only hawiye lands are who lack ancient kingdoms. All darod land report to an Isim(aristocrat) that reports to a 'king' based on dynastical rule of inheritance and blood. If u live around the area and only have 'nabadoons' and 'penal code' clan development you will fall under his 'jurisdiction' at all times since he is the govt and your merely a 'qabiil' still with no historical govt beyond 'nabadoon' at best and justice system but u live purely on green-lines like baraxlay n galkayo do as they don't share a govt just a penal code as HG last kingdom was Sultan Keenadiid and now he has none besides 'tribal elders' and a 'xeer' system like sayidka said of hiraab as they don't have decision making authority in their clan. There is qabiil that is govt thru saldanad and their a qabiil that is merely has 'mag n xeer' and nothing else and then there is the 'hordes' type of qabiil which southern somalia has become today. Qabiil has different levels of development just like states do in republicans right? u cant compare australia to iraq right? see they have superior states and qabiils are superior their not equal whatsoever as one is saldanad and has power and decision making over a tribe while another has no elected saldanad among them and live on green lines and saldanad vacuum. Qabiil is useless without saldanad as it becomes the type of qabiil u see in the south, thats destructive qabiil its not healthy for them and they shud just become 'somali' as their qabiil is not workable one

 

[libaaxad]

the ones that call it ogadenia are the jubbaland ogs, every galbeedi og I met calls it DDSI.

also absolutely no one in DDS calls it ogadenia, the official name is dawladda deegaanka somaalida

Very old map, the dhulbahante side of hawd has since expanded to 3x what’s shown on this silly map

I’ve seen many dhulbahante deny the hawd qabil demographic maps, how far have you guys grown in the region?

 

[Sophisticate]

When someone tells me they are from the Galbeed I automatically assume Cisse or Gadabuursi (mostly Dir) and non-Absame Darood or Hawiye (Karanle). When they say Hawd I think Issaq. When they claim Ogaden/Ogadenia I guess OG or Jidwaaq.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Sophisticate don't let @Farjano-Walad divide up his land like this, he is not republican at all and doesn't believe in somalis are classless n citizens of everywhere, this isn't america in other words is what his telling u where everyone owns everything kkkkk

 

[DR OSMAN]

When someone tells me they are from the Galbeed I automatically assume Cisse or Gadabuursi (mostly Dir) and non-Absame Darood or Hawiye (Karanle). When they say Hawd I think Issaq. When they claim Ogaden/Ogadenia I guess OG or Jidwaaq.

Are u saying Ogaden doesn' own this land mass? oh my @Farjano-Walad isn't going to be happy about that all. Oh Ye Son of Absame nobles please come to royal chambers and discuss what your 'jurisdictions' are in this land mass as it may end up like Somalia republic where people 'federalize' which really means back to the 'monarchy' jurisdictions, while parroting 'somali' only so you can 'settle n graze' there thru republican govt laws.

327,068 km²

What is 'absame' portion of DDSI. We know it's final 'area sq'. Harti portion is 220,000 SQ KM of Somaalia proper. We also got 'a chunk in ddsi' and JL 110,000 SQ KM. Harti may indeed be bigger then Absame if we all work out our 'zones' by SQ KM. As Absame land is in DISPUTE, shots fired.

Let the land race begin. Just name your 'zone' in DDSI and your 'portion' and cut if off total area sq of DDSI and you know what your worth.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farjano-Walad if you don't prove you own at least 220,000 SQ KM of DDSI, Harti land is larger. It will come down to JL and that will be shared with Sade-Harti and it total of 110,000 SQ KM so the ratios are set, what needs to be declareed is only the slices since there is no 4.5 it's all made up by republican social communists. Let the scramble begin I say but be practical and name your zone and measurements and then area sq of your regional govt land mass so it's at least something that can be referenced your ratio aand percentage.

Somalia population pool by GDP is clear as day

40% are urban(villages n cities) since 40% is dedicated to services/industry
40% are nomadic since that is livestock share nation wide
15% are Farmers
5% are fisherman and coastal people

6 million urban pool
6 million nomadic pool
2 million farmer pool
750k coastal pool

Even if we shared parliament on 'settlement n occupation' in Somalia would be far better then tribal communism as tribes have different occupations and naturally cultures.

Land-masses are set in stone also

220,000 SQ KM is PL. Majerten is 150,000 SQ KM. Khatumo/Makhir is 70,000 SQ KM
110,000 SQ KM is JL. Sade-Harti-Absame need to begin the scramble and their share of that land ratio.
Dir Waqoyi - Awdal is 21,000 SQ KM. While Isaaq is 77000 SQ KM. So they need to scramble on urban-nomad counts
150,000 SQ KM is reserved for GM/HS
90 SQ KM is reserved for Mogadishu

So good luck guys and prove your shit.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Do you think the region will ever have true equality if one tribe considers themselves the owners because it was named after them? Also you are literally erasing the blood shed from people of other tribes when you just mention Ogaden.

What Blood shed ? hahahahah

Only Jidwaq, Balcad, Weyteen and Ogaden rulers and kings of old and today have died for this land sxb, meaning only Absame Kumade

by the way, the British named this land Ogadeniya in 1884 during the Berlin conference when Africa was being spliced like a cake

They called it Ogadeniya because only Absame fought the British everyone and if you look at the map in 1880s, the map shows like 95% of the land was owned and lived by Ogaden and Jidwaq/Absame

in addition, you forget this land was not somali lands but single handedly conquered by Absame over the centuries since our Harti cousins pressured us out of Sanaag 600 years ago

for 600 years Absame have died for the land and made it Somali/ Absame

dont be jealous, i have never seen so called isaaq, dir and other marti/guests fighting for the land

and yes, all of you are marti/ mere guests to us,

the land is owned by the one who sheds blood for it, we did it against the British and Portuguese and Ethiopia since the British handed over the land in 1958 only Absame has been fighting, the rest are like naago sleeping on the wheel,

this is why all the 12 presidents of the region are Absame/Ogaden and if we did not fight back the land would ne owned by now and the people would speak Amharic and be Christians God forbid,


so be grateful many young man, 149,000 have died for the land just in the last 50 years , all Absame/Ogaden

how many foy uor langab clans men have died for OGADENIYA?

zero, zilch, nada, non, nein, nothing, eber, nil, noooothing,

come back to me when you clan sheds blood for the land then we will talk,

BN: the colonials only ever named two regions after clans: Ogadeniya and Majerteniya, for some reason the named Ogadeniya stuck with the consceince of the western world and the ethiopians and all others since only Absame/Ogaden was really fighting and dying for the land

26 men, 26 men who share a second awow name with me, just me alone, 26 men have died for the land with my surname, meaning men who are my first cousins, laxmi uncles and my own brother have died for the land, my own fathers car was mined by habashi he was governor and ONLF and they took his leg, so dont come here ing about the name of the land when you have not shed blood,

and then multiply that number with every Ogaden/Absame family and we have lost hundreds of thousands of civilians and 149,000 fighters,

what have you lost naya/warya?



so naya, how many of your kin have died for this blessed land?

comeback to me when your family members die for this blessed land,

and the land is called OGADNEIYA, KU NAX OR ELSE, WE DONT CARE

 

[Farjano-Walad]

What made you assume I was langaab? I hate qabiyalad and refuse to identify with the thing that destroyed my country. Also even if so did fight and win the freedom of my people wouldn’t all the credit go to the Ogaden?

KAKAKKA,

YOUR Funny, Kulaha I am not tribalist, yet here you are moaning about a land conquered by Ogadens from non Somalis and then the rest of the somalis came to settle as marti /guests after Absame/Ogadens spent hundreds of years conquering and shedding blood to protect it on their own,

sure , your certainly not a tribalist

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farjano-Walad I am looking the sector services and industry and looking Majerteniya ratio from it to work out my 'share' of the urbanites, since I don't have area sq km of all my settlements to combine and say this is how many 'mogadishu n hargeisa' it can create my urban foot-print alone and therefore my 'ratio' will be adjusted against the 6 million urban pool nation wide.

I will reserve 1.5 million to Mogadishu for it's 90 SQ KM city, subject to 'density' of course and the density I took is a middle ground not 'extreme' ground as I don't see 20,000 ppl walking around 1 sq km of land in mogadishu especially if I zoned it off for 'sampling' like u know a vicious 'harti' boy would do because I don't like ppl taking something their not worth, it boils my blood as I believe in landheer/langaab philosophy and not this 'we all the same' nonsense.

U know the sons of majerteniya are like this and want fierce competition at all times no 'faataxos' allowed kkkk

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That 6 million pool is going to be rip apart for the last bit n piece kkkk, nothing going anywhere freely kkkk. The camps r SL/PL/JL/HS/SW/Hamar in urban 'scramble' for the nation. Then nomad scramble is purely PL/SL/GM/HS. Let the wars begin

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dharbash knows what Majerteniya is like also and went to Isaaq kkkk, we even count wells n pressure levels to make sure every drop is a 'ratio' to livestock n daaqsin size squared off. We got our tongues under every clan well to make sure it's 'real' and not plastic one kk and we measured the output nigga and work out how many livestock sit around that water volume. Water volume = livestock numbers. Pasture size = livestock population. We even get down to testing 'soils' to see if it's possible vegetation can grow out from it during the rainy season cause we know there is some place that dont recieve rain in PL/SL northern sea bed and has turned to rock or total burnt like waqoyi galbeed northern zone.

We eliminate isaaq guban zone in the calculation of 'nomadic zone' and the northern bari dry strip untill dharor valley. But at least we going to eat from fisher population pool since we have the most fishing villages in Somalia cuz those bari dry strip areas converted in fishing towns near the coast and do frankincense seasonally

Isaaq is down to burcoy kkkkk with Dhulbahante carving of Buhoodle

This is majerten we love a good fight but it has to be on 'knowledge' not 'faan'

Only Isaaq cant handle this majerteniya culture, dhulbahante used to back in the day but now weakening away from the game. Even HG can hang in this game

 

[Farjano-Walad]

I never saw it written out like that my bad Also adeer what does“Abasme” mean? I goggled it and couldn’t find anything.

Absame; The father of Jidwaq, Balcad, Weyteen and Ogaden: the 4 clans who single handely expanded all the somali lands, originally from Sanaag where they lived with Harti -thats Mj/Dhulbahante, warsengalie etc and the Absame would end up opening up somali lands like Ogadeniya and even conquering Jubaland from black pagan ethnic groups and then would march on to Northern Kenyan and central kenya where by 1840s they would end up owning land in

Ogadeniya, Jubaland and half of Kenya - where they would end up meeting and fighting the British empire for the next 100 years, the empire that would end up dividing Ogaden lands in to 3 nations, Jubaland, NFD/Kenya and Ogadeniya and that is why Ogaden are very prominent in these 3nations politically

for a no body who apparently knows nothing about tribe you sure seem to hate one clan, let me guess, your a langab Dir? Isaaq? hawiye from little xamar and has been corrupted with qabiil by your family members?

family members who are in aw and cuqdad and hate how this young clan got so much land? well we conquered lands as Absame when other Somalis were naked, and busy searching for food and water hundreds of years ago


we are Russians of the Somali world, like how the Easter/Western Slavic race is dominated by Russia in terms of land and history,

join the cuqdad club darling,

of all the statues built, major roads, school names in Mogadishu in 1960 to celebrate somali history after the country gained independent , all are Ogaden/Jidwaq aka Absame,

somali kings, poets, warriors, historical figures, I am yuor hisotry,

King wiil waal: famous somali king, Sayidka, hawo tako, Raage Ugaas, Qamaan bulxaan, ciqaal shidad, we wrote the books yall read, the sugaan/gabya/poetry, warrior kings,

and we single handedly expanded all somali lands, for with out us somali lands would be tiny Djibouti, somaliland and puntland and up to south somalia in shabeele,

so take out NFD, Ogadeniya and Jubbaland, what the hell do you have left

Ogaden/Absame/Jidwaq are the grandfathers of somali history

I made the colonials respect you from mountain Kenya to Berbera

 

[Sloane Ranger]

When your women are abused, when your men are martyred and when your whole community is persecuted and marginalized, the last thing we should care about is the name. Call it disneyland or Shubanland, our people's situation wouldn't make a difference. The most important thing we should prioritize is unity for Galbeed and gaining our rights (Extra autonomy, security and independence if given the opportunity).

I agree with you the name of the region is the least important issue.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Halimo Supremist you are not ready for this style of old school talk, please let HG represent u in the nomadic 'pool' cuz wacaysle 9000 SQ KM out of 360,000 SQ KM pastures isn't going to help him in this scramble. It's down to MJ/Dhulos/Warsan/HJ/HY/HG. Even abudwak isn't in the game anymore. This is the nomadic pool and I am total 'expert' in this pool as my family are still nomadic so they can't bullshit me like they would probably an urbanite like u

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Farjano-Walad if you don't prove you own at least 220,000 SQ KM of DDSI, Harti land is larger. It will come down to JL and that will be shared with Sade-Harti and it total of 110,000 SQ KM so the ratios are set, what needs to be declareed is only the slices since there is no 4.5 it's all made up by republican social communists. Let the scramble begin I say but be practical and name your zone and measurements and then area sq of your regional govt land mass so it's at least something that can be referenced your ratio aand percentage.

Somalia population pool by GDP is clear as day

40% are urban(villages n cities) since 40% is dedicated to services/industry
40% are nomadic since that is livestock share nation wide
15% are Farmers
5% are fisherman and coastal people

6 million urban pool
6 million nomadic pool
2 million farmer pool
750k coastal pool

Even if we shared parliament on 'settlement n occupation' in Somalia would be far better then tribal communism as tribes have different occupations and naturally cultures.

Land-masses are set in stone also

220,000 SQ KM is PL. Majerten is 150,000 SQ KM. Khatumo/Makhir is 70,000 SQ KM
110,000 SQ KM is JL. Sade-Harti-Absame need to begin the scramble and their share of that land ratio.
Dir Waqoyi - Awdal is 21,000 SQ KM. While Isaaq is 77000 SQ KM. So they need to scramble on urban-nomad counts
150,000 SQ KM is reserved for GM/HS
90 SQ KM is reserved for Mogadishu

So good luck guys and prove your shit.

Doctor go and bully langab clans with no history, i am above you


i know it pains you to say MJ has the biggest land, except for Ogaden, Mj is lander and the biggest population, except for Ogaden,

Ogadeniya proper was 400,000 sq KM, today its around 380,000 sq KM, 11 provinces, 9 Are Absame 95% or more, one tiny one is garre and one small one is Ciise,

that's roughly 350,000 sq Km is Absame, where we live in 95% or more of the districts in in those 9 regions of Ogadeniya proper,

282 Mps, 247 Mps are Absame of the parliament,


out of 94 degmos or counties, 84 counties in Ogadeniya is Absame owned

6 special city administration, 5 are Absame owned,

out of the 12 Presidents of the region, all were Absame/Ogaden

out of the 27 federal Mps, 23 are Absame who sit in adis ababa, out of the 11 senators, 9 are Absame, in Somali Region, the new name

the land was named by ONLF as somali region when they ruled as the party in charge between 1990 and 1995, if we wanetd to we could have called the offical western known name Ogadeniya


Jubaland is 110,000 sq km, harti does not even have kismayo as one single demgo, you share it with me, 13 degmo are Absame, marehan only has 3 degmo full in gedo, half of gedo

bakool is 6 degmo, 3 are owned by cawlyahan an Ogaden sub clan

Garissa is 45,000 sq km, 100%

Wajir is 55,000 sq km, 605 is Ogaden, between 1917 till 2012 the district commissioner/old title for the governor of wajir was Ogaden always

do not compete with me doctor, i know i am the standard you wish to reach in terms of history and political clout across the horn, you will need a time machine for that

compete with others in your rank, i know i am like the Greek to your roman, the romans respected the Greek and what they did as an ancient empire/people who contributed massively to western European culture

now if you will excuse me, I contend with ethnic groups, ahmar, Oromo, kikuyu, i am above tribal level, i am now a nation, qaran, i have moved from mere tribe hood level

excuse doctor, i have big fishes to fry

go and deal with mere clans

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farjano-Walad Somalia electoral college is like this

6 million nomadic pool
6 urban pool
2.2 million farming pool
800k coastal pool

15 million is the total so noone is nudging. 637000 km is the land size. It just needs adjustment ratios based on how much of that pool exists in your borders. JL ratio will be farming pool big slice and urban pool smaller slice, nomadic pool smaller slice. It will be different in PL as nomadic pool is like our huge electorate, urban pool is medium slice, and coastal is another big slice but it's over-all population size is small though but our slice isn't. This is all population to GDP ratios too nigga.

Everyone is fighting for their true 'electorate' from those pools, it's going to get vicious in each area, fight nigga like americans fight in their electoral college

 

[Gardy]

This land was never be officially named after a qabiil so I wouldnt give a shit if few delusional Og n1ggas call the somali state ogadeniya cuz that could never be an official name to the DDS which is shared by dozens of different somali clans.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Jiron the Somali electoral college like the american one is about urban/rural ratios adjusted and Somalia isn't different settlement pattern either. It's 40% Nomadic based on GDP contributions and GDP share of the nation.

Farming is 20% but I do expect this ratio will change if u include the 'urban camps' since their ex farming pool displaced from their homes, so that's why the urban pool will redirect it's numbers to the farming pool and it possibly can reach 40% ratio share of the nation population, once they go back home obviously but in the mean-time we will not calculate them and if we do we will re-assign it to their occupation pool.

So it's still truly 75/20 national profile in numbers if everything went back to order, with 20% urbanized, 35% farming, 40% nomadic. Their small ratio for fishing that needs to be accounted for but it's not above 5% of the national GDP and hence it will be reserved 5% of the nations population pool.

The farming pool of 35% will go to the south and will need to be fought over rigourously with HS/JL/SW and the various communities who reside there as they constitute 99% of that national pool. Nomadic 40% pool will be sent to PL/GM/MAKHIR/KHATUMO/Eastern SL to share their slice based on nomadic methodologies obviously like water wells/dams/daaqsin area/daaqsin quality all being accounted or before shared between the nomad nation.

Urban pool of what is essentially 20% of the nation if u take our the 'IDPS' nation wide, will be split by the urban pool with Mogadishu-Hargeisa-Bosaso-Galkayo-Beletwayn-Baydhabo-Kismaayo essentially the only real urban centers. Garowe-Las anod-Badhan-Dhuso-Cadaado-Abudwaq will be considered 'secondary' urban profile who will need to go measure their 'area sq' towns in order to share that 20% of the nation pool. It's only essentially 3 million pool.

The biggest urban share will go to hargeisa/mogadishu without a doubt. 2 million. Where-as 1 million will be split with Bosaso-Kismayo-Galkayo-Burco-Garowe-Kismayo. This is what I suspect for now untill I dig further into how the service/industry sector is split regionally by GDP which will give us a definitive urban count that is factual and GDP backed.

The export sector is purely nomadic/farming/fishery sectors with clear ratios of 60% nomadic /35 farming/5% fishing, but it's national ratio when combined against urban service/industry will adjust accordingly it's more like 40% nomadic/40% urban services/industry/15% farming/5% fishing but that is when u look at the national GDP as whole, however when u look at 'sector' by 'sector' and the share of farming/nomadic/urban is obviously different as urban is purely imports they ain't exporting jack shit kkkkk as they sit in the cities jobless, it's a pure consumption economy.