Why couldn't a single muslim country be in top 25 best countries for women?

[Zach]

One is one too many, imagine if that was your sister given to a foreign man as a slave.
Also records point their being many more than her


If you can't even get sex slavery right, what else can't you get right? Yaaab

There is no evidence for more. Could ask you the same question? Totally dismissing it was achristian who sent her, are you? Denmark used to own colonies in Afrika had slaves too. It mane great for white women but still shitt for colored people

 

[Muji]

Looooooooooooooooool

 

[Basra]

Best places to be a woman:
1: Denmark (obiviously)
2: Feminist Sweden
3: Smelly Norway
4: Netherlands
5: Finalnd
6: Canada
7: Switzerland
8: Australia
9: New Zealand
10: Germany
11: Luxemborg
12: Austria
13: UK
14: France
15: Ireland (abort banning)
16: US
17: Japan
18: Spain
19: Italy
20: Portugal
21: Polen
22: Singapore
23 Czech republic
24: Hungary
25: China
26: Greece
27: South Korea

Even socialist China beat us, and they have forced abortions!


Worst countries:
80: Pakistan
79: Iran
78: Egybt
76: Nigeria
75: Algeria
74: Jordan
73: Lebanon
72: Tunesia

Now isn't that some truth for your behind, @Knowles, @Reiko, @Geeljire sanbuur, @AussieHustler

Steam can I come visit u?



fine print: so that I can force u to arranged marriage and u can finally experience gu,s?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

9 years she was promised to him,they married when she was older,you criticize something you have no knowledge of you are sheep blubbering the same mainstream bullshit without a real opinion yourself,you are a weak minded individual influenced by cadans

Which one of his WIVES did not consent?how did you come to this opinion?who are his wives?what situation forced him to have extra?
Rape?!!! why?because the father of aisha gave his daughters hand to the most revered person in their time and society,and aisha was some idiot she couldnt have accepted it on her own,but you are smart enough to just label it as rape

You are full of shit nayah

Age of Aisha:
Her age is disputed, therefore you apply the generous narration that she was much older, while others conclude that she in fact 9 years old.

Most Hadith states that Aisha was married to Muhammed at around age six and stayed with her parents until she was nine or ten, and this is only recently being challenged modern scholars.
It is stated in Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64 that Prophet married her at age six and consummated the marriage at age nine.

Islamic law has been made on the basis of this notion, as the requirement for marriage is reaching puberty, which for girls can occur as soon as 8 and there is no fixed age limited in islam beyond that. Both the Hanafi and Jafari school consider marriage as low as 9 year acceptable for girls.

Concubines:
I'd argue that there is problem wit Aisha's consent when she is in fact 9 years and the Prophet in his 50s, but that remains unclear due to how Aisha is described as especially astute.

What is not unclear is that Muhammed's and his follows use of concubines constitute the clearest example of forced relations and rape.

 

[Nomad2054]

Best places to be a woman:
1: Denmark (obiviously)
2: Feminist Sweden
3: Smelly Norway
4: Netherlands
5: Finalnd
6: Canada
7: Switzerland
8: Australia
9: New Zealand
10: Germany
11: Luxemborg
12: Austria
13: UK
14: France
15: Ireland (abort banning)
16: US
17: Japan
18: Spain
19: Italy
20: Portugal
21: Polen
22: Singapore
23 Czech republic
24: Hungary
25: China
26: Greece
27: South Korea

Even socialist China beat us, and they have forced abortions!


Worst countries:
80: Pakistan
79: Iran
78: Egybt
76: Nigeria
75: Algeria
74: Jordan
73: Lebanon
72: Tunesia

Now isn't that some truth for your behind, @Knowles, @Reiko, @Geeljire sanbuur, @AussieHustler

where is your source to this info miss Denmark.

 

[Basra]

Age of Aisha:
Her age is disputed, therefore you apply the generous narration that she was much older, while others conclude that she in fact 9 years old.

Most Hadith states that Aisha was married to Muhammed at around age six and stayed with her parents until she was nine or ten, and this is only recently being challenged modern scholars.
It is stated in Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64 that Prophet married her at age six and consummated the marriage at age nine.

Islamic law has been made on the basis of this notion, as the requirement for marriage is reaching puberty, which for girls can occur as soon as 8 and there is no fixed age limited in islam beyond that. Both the Hanafi and Jafari school consider marriage as low as 9 year acceptable for girls.

Concubines:
I'd argue that there is problem wit Aisha's consent when she is in fact 9 years and the Prophet in his 50s, but that remains unclear due to how Aisha is described as especially astute.

What is not unclear is that Muhammed's and his follows use of concubines constitute the clearest example of forced relations and rape.

Actually the issue of a mistress, ie a slave mistress was allowed as a halaal wife for our prophet pbuh. I wonder if the 4 wives limit is printed in Quran or is it Sunnah/hadith?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

There is no evidence for more. Could ask you the same question? Totally dismissing it was achristian who sent her, are you? Denmark used to own colonies in Afrika had slaves too. It mane great for white women but still shitt for colored people

At least two of Muhammad's wives were concubines in the form of Rayhana bint Zayd and Maria al-Qibtiyya.

This is not a number games, one woman who made a slave and endure relations including sex relations is one too many, the very concept that a certain sub-set human being can be used for another's sexually gratification is sick, even when they have family elsewhere and are themselves married as reference in the Quran 4: 24. "And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess".

 

[Steamdevolopment]

where is your source to this info miss Denmark.

The list can be found here:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/women-full-list

The results match other lists including below, where the Nordic countries perform well and middle-east/North Africa perform poorly.
https://giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/
https://www.atlasandboots.com/worlds-best-countries-for-women-ranked/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/these-are-the-world-s-most-gender-equal-countries/

 

[Basra]

At least two of Muhammad's wives were concubines in the form of Rayhana bint Zayd and Maria al-Qibtiyya.

This is not a number games, one woman who made a slave and endure relations including sex relations is one too many, the very concept that a certain sub-set human being can be used for another's sexually gratification is sick, even when they have family elsewhere and are themselves married as reference in the Quran 4: 24. "And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess".

Steam

But u r looking at a negative lens, in the lens of a none believer. What makes u think u r credible???


Slavery is a fact of wars and humans. Our prophet pbuh actually blessed them when they became his halaal wives. They go from being a slave to a Queen is a moment. One can say that is mercy and beauty!

 

[Muji]

Steam how many people have you converted so far.

You’ve made @AussieHustler redundant

 

[Nomad2054]

The list can be found here:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/women-full-list

The results match other lists including below, where the Nordic countries perform well and middle-east/North Africa perform poorly.
https://giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/
https://www.atlasandboots.com/worlds-best-countries-for-women-ranked/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/these-are-the-world-s-most-gender-equal-countries/

so you compare the most pro feminist region on planet earth to the Arabs?

i dont mind people having apposing views it makes for an interesting conversation, but first we must be intellectually honest.

you speak of morals yet this is how you operate, you are suppose to show me the beauty of Atheism by practising it, now all i see is deceit, dishonesty and slurs, so much for enlightenment.
and this is coming from a ignorant muslim double burn.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

@Steamdevolopment

It's interesting that many of those countries are Arab. The problem is more with the people rather than the religion.

So many people see feminism and Islam to be fundamentally incompatible. You say Muslim women are in need of saving and the only way is for them to be liberated from Islam. And then we have these scholars and male figures of authority in the Muslim countries who view feminism with feelings of deep mistrust and bury their head in the sand when it comes to sexism.

Granted there is a long way to go, but you forget the most important people in this – the Muslim women who are fighting for their rights and challenging sexism and the men who support them. Us Muslim women should be able to claim our identities within the parameters of Islam without being disregarded and rendered invisible.

If you look at the studies both Middle-Eastern countries and North African, primarily muslim countries have low scores. It is a systematic failures that includes several factors such as cultural norms that favor men in everywhere, Islamic law that is interpreted to limited a woman's right, subverting formal law in favor of traditions, lack of females in leadership roles to make their interests knowns.

However the two main problem that faces any muslim female feminist is

1) A discourse that is irrational.
Here argument do not have to be based in reality and regulations that forbid females to drive is made on the non scientific basis in concern for "hysteria" and cultural argument are seen as self-evident facts and science and empirical evidence as western concepts.

2) Islam scriptures from the Quran and hadiths that not only do not confront the patriarchal system but legitimize it, by example how can you argue for female leadership when the Prophet has said about a female leader "No such nation will succeed" in Sahih Bukhari Book 92, Hadith 50.


I encourage muslim women to find a better and more egalitarian approach within Islam, nor do I advocate that you should leave but do not underestimate what you're up against and understand that
Islam itself legitimizes your abuse or inferiority.

 

[government]

Steam how many people have you converted so far.

You’ve made @AussieHustler redundant

She is really annoying I try to avoid her threads very one dimensional. Unlike you her character is dry and boring also nobody likes a smartass especially one that is a known liar.
If people ignore her she would have to stop spamming the same shit everytime unfortunately s have an iq of 68 so they will fall for her antics every single time.

Basically she is the Wal-Mart version of @AussieHustler actually that would be offensive to Wal-Mart they sell pretty decent stuff.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Steam

But u r looking at a negative lens, in the lens of a none believer. What makes u think u r credible???


Slavery is a fact of wars and humans. Our prophet pbuh actually blessed them when they became his halaal wives. They go from being a slave to a Queen is a moment. One can say that is mercy and beauty!

It is the most clear example of inhumanity to deprive another human-being of their spouse/lover and family, then force them to sexual act as if they were property.

Not only the Prophet had concubines but all his men, and so even if we follow your twisted logic for some of the women it meant going from upper-class to being the property of a rural farmer man who had joined the Prophet on his conquest.

Steam how many people have you converted so far.

You’ve made @AussieHustler redundant

Likewise as the Jews I seek not convert, but instead make them think for themselves and answer painful questions and seek out answers.

Instead I find them defend or excusing child-marriage, slavery and cherry-picking the most generous interpretation despite contrary and well-sourced counters.

 

[Nomad2054]

@Steamdevolopment check this out

 

[Apollo]

@Steamdevolopment check this out

Reza is a con man:

 

[Steamdevolopment]

so you compare the most pro feminist region on planet earth to the Arabs?

i dont mind people having apposing views it makes for an interesting conversation, but first we must be intellectually honest.

you speak of morals yet this is how you operate, you are suppose to show me the beauty of Atheism by practising it, now all i see is deceit, dishonesty and slurs, so much for enlightenment.
and this is coming from a ignorant muslim double burn.

As per my other response the referenced study includes 80 different countries across the globe, and as such it is a broad spectrum of countries, systems and ideologies.

I merely highlighted the result of the study, that is being corroborated by the other studies despite different factors being included. What is striking is not that the North and feminist regions performing well, but how poorly Muslim ranks across all the studies.

There is nothing dishonest in representing the conclusions of the study, and you should refrain from ad-hominem attacks and address the underlying factual pattern.

 

[Nomad2054]

Reza is a con man:

thats all you got, if he truly is a con man why isnt headline news???

 

[Fang4]

Most if not all of the Muslim countries don’t fellow Islamic teachings to govern their subjects. Islam freed women from their shackles before western countries had the feminist movements. The only way we can make Muslim countries the best place for our women is through reviving our religion and women knowing their rights in Islam so that they won’t be taken advantage of.

 

[Eru Ilúvatar]

Shouldn't any system of government be judged on how much objective good it does for its citizens? How come Islamic countries fail in such regard to women?


Maybe you're afraid that the answer might be because Islam has kept toxic ideas about women and not confronted a culture that workships male superiority

Islamic countries aren’t in the 25 best countries for women because there isn’t a seperation between church and state.

They don’t take account into what other people want, they think they know what other people want.