Why are Somalis so xenophobic ?

[Juliet]

Also another thing i’ve found very weird is that in other countries, when your traditional cultural attire is appreciated and worn by neighbours, it’s seen positively.

However when Oromos who border Somalis wear baatis, or other somali traditional clothing, so many comments are attacking them with comments like “that’s somali clothing why u wearing it” or telling them to stop wearing it.

it’s too much weird xenophobia

yeah..... you were definitely aiming to get that platinum or trending thread in

I regret engaging with this thread, trolling is getting obvious

you know damn well they're actively trying to claim it as theirs and that we didn't come up with it

 

[Chase]

They’ve integrated entirely with most of their blood being 100% Somali apart from their founding patriarch who was Mehri. It would be downright insanity to claim they’re not Somali. You actually have a lot of Somalis like that, but they’ve been taken in by the major tribes they lived next to so they’re none the wiser. DNA testing has shown us that a minority of Somalis forefathers were in fact immigrants who married local women whose children have been added to the clan.

Sorry just missed this, it somehow tagged world instead of me lol. Yeah, I consider those minority of Somalis who've immigrated centuries ago to be Somali, hell I'm tired of Madowwayne being discriminated against.

Surah Al-Hujurat 49:11-13 [2/2]

(49:13) Human beings, We created you all from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Verily the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most God-fearing of you.

 

[Chase]

Our ancestors accepted and married into various groups going back centuries, clans have also adopted others into a confederate of sorts, but some qurbo joog kid oo ciyaal xafaad ah is talking like this?

Wild.

 

[Three Moons]

Anyway about this topic.

I heard that when Somalia fought Ethiopia in 1977, the Barwani language, Chimini, was used so that the Ethiopians didn't understand our communication? Let's put some respect on them.

Don't be 'Abaal-laawe'!!!

Pan-Somalism is far more inclusive than this 4.5 disaster, and advanced us much faster as a people, be it economy, education, living standards, infrastructure, stability, reputation, military might, religious equilibrium etc. The Somali Military took a minority language spoken in only one Somali city and used it to their full advantage. The Ethiopian communication officers that spent years learning the Somali language must have been mystified

 

[Khaem]

Sorry just missed this, it somehow tagged world instead of me lol. Yeah, I consider those minority of Somalis who've immigrated centuries ago to be Somali, hell I'm tired of Madowwayne being discriminated against.

Surah Al-Hujurat 49:11-13 [2/2]

(49:13) Human beings, We created you all from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Verily the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most God-fearing of you.

All humans have a tribe they belong to. Madowweyn are their own tribe of people and are part of the Somali nation.

People with a foriegn patriarch but are damn near 80% somali can be considered such.

 

[Dima&Damo]

What do you mean “our land”

They had their own cities like Barawe, Merca and Xamar. They were the majority population in all of these cities, you can check the Italian 1932 census. Nomads from the five major clans did not live in these cities, but stayed in the bush. Lamagoodles are immigrants from Sudan, just like how half of Cad Cad’s ancestry are immigrants. Nobody is more “native”.

Who told you that "we immigrated from sudan" the dna bros got to you

 

[Khaem]

Who told you that "we immigrated from sudan" the dna bros got to you

They're projecting their foriegn heritage onto Somalis.

Cushites originate from Sudan. Somalis are like 8,000 years removed from Sudan and are native to the Somali peninsula.

 

[Chase]

All humans have a tribe they belong to. Madowweyn are their own tribe of people and are part of the Somali nation.

People with a foriegn patriarch but are damn near 80% somali can be considered such.

What Somalia needs is civic-law, Somalis will defend and uphold 4.5 or push Qabilyaad but will move to secular Turkey or the West at the drop of a hat.

The hilarious part about all this is that Greater Somalia was going to include several groups, no joke.

Southern Oromo (those close with Somali), Afar, Borana, Harari, etc.

The groups above were collaborating and helping us with the war, someone needs to tell that to the Macrobians.

 

[Khaem]

What Somalia needs is civic-law, Somalis will defend and uphold 4.5 or push Qabilyaad but will move to secular Turkey or the West at the drop of a hat.

The hilarious part about all this is that Greater Somalia was going to include several groups, no joke.

Southern Oromo (those close with Somali), Afar, Borana, Harari, etc.

The groups above were collaborating and helping us with the war, someone needs to tell that to the Macrobians.

It was basically Neo-Adal with all those groups. Harari, Muslim oromo, afar, borona.

Somalis would find great success as portraying themselves as the defenders of Islam and many muslims who see Ethiopia as a bunch of Highland colonisers would switch loyalties to our State.

 

[World]

What Somalia needs is civic-law, Somalis will defend and uphold 4.5 or push Qabilyaad but will move to secular Turkey or the West at the drop of a hat.

The hilarious part about all this is that Greater Somalia was going to include several groups, no joke.

Southern Oromo (those close with Somali), Afar, Borana, Harari, etc.

The groups above were collaborating and helping us with the war, someone needs to tell that to the Macrobians.

They’re too low IQ to understand that

 

[Jewel]

So i see this beautiful wedding on my fyp, and instead of saying mashallah look what these xenophobic somalis are doing


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Like i just don’t understand what is the need for these comments? Barawe people are Somalis, because they’re from Somalia. In what other countries are native ethnic minority stopped from claiming their nationality?

Ignorance + arrogance. No all of us, but some of us unfortunately.
You accepts these type of comments from the older generations, but it's alarming coming from the younger generation.

 

[Aurelian]

@HIBAQ123

Do they deport ppl who born in norway and has the citizenship out of norway? Stripping Citizenship is limited to those who acquired it.

 

[The alchemist]

Simple, Somali doesn't exist.
That's all there is to it. This not only goes for Somalis but many other pseudo-ethnicities.

When the Europeans met at the Berlin Conference in November 1884-1885, they drew the map not only of their colonies and how they would divide it all, but they also named the people they met.
We happened to take the name of Somali since there is no early record or any mention of us being referred as to Somalis before colonization.

Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is just desperate for legitimacy in a world where "I was here first" mentality is rife

Somali as an actual identity is very recent and our first state with this identity was created in 1960

Genetic studies debunk this. The people who call themselves Somalis today exclusively mix amongst themselves at the exclusion of every other group. Ethnicity is literally defined by the in-group/out-group tendencies and the facts on the grounds say we were highly endogamic, with Ethiopians mixing across divergent speech groups if they were in geographic proximity creating a gradient, while Somalis in Ethiopia were the only group identified to break that tendency, at the same time, showing they highly mixed with other Somalis. Somalis simply mixed with Somali clans while totally not with other ethnicities -- and this has been a thing since we came to the region, given how we retained not only homogeneity but also very pristine Cushitic DNA no other group in the Horn of Africa retained due to mixing to the degree of Somalis. This has been a several thousand-year process and has nothing to do with colonialism.

From Hammeren et al., 2022:

"At K=11 another East African component appears maximized in the Somali populations and as such might represent Cushitic related ancestry."

"The analysis using FEEMS recapitulates expected natural barriers to migration such as the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden, the Persian Gulf, and the Sahara Desert. In addition to clear geographical barriers, we also see evidence of linguistic and cultural barriers. One obvious example is the low migration rate between the Ethiopian Somali and the other Ethiopian populations, and as expected high migration rate inferred between the different Somali groups."

Somalis had high intra ethnic but inter-clan mixing:

Ali et al., 2020, showed how the Cushitic DNA has been stable and retained among Somalis ever since the divergent components mixed, meaning only one thing, not only did we mix exclusively with groups already matching the DNA proportions before coming to the Horn of Africa, but that we retained those dimensions to en extraordinary high degree since that signature genesis:

"The similarity of individuals is apparent, which presumably reflects very ancient admixture events and a unification process through endogamy."

"We observed that a vast majority of our study individuals carried similar proportions of genes from those ancient populations, which possibly can be explained by the fact that ethnic Somalis have a strong genetic unification by endogamy, due to the custom of marrying only within the limits of their ethnic group, in addition to consanguineous practices."

"However, recent evidences based on Y-STR haplotypes studied on Somalis from diverse geographic locations and clans suggest that ethnic Somalis are largely homogenous, supporting the representativeness of our samples for the larger Somali population."

This tells you as a man with no prior knowledge on this subject that there could never have been intra-ethnic diverse structuralism.

Hodgson et al., 2014 came to the same conclusion by observing the groups of the region:

"We then used the ADMIXTURE results to inform subgroup formation. At K = 12, the Amhara, Tygray, Oromo, and Afar all have similar proportions of non-African ancestries that differ from that seen in the Ari and Somali (Figure 2). This observation suggests a geographical structuring between the Amhara, Tygray, Oromo, and Afar in the Ethiopian highlands, the Somali in eastern Ethiopia and the Somalia lowlands, and the Ari in the southwestern Ethiopian Rift."

There was always Somali-specific ancestry structuralism no matter what clan or geographic placement at the exclusion of other groups. Somalis break the tendencies characteristic of the whole region basically only conforming to their own ways. So again, this is impossible without an ethnic conception... This discrimination is the quintessential definition of a coherent group you can ever find and it had nothing to do with colonialism.

 

[𝕃𝕠𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕙]

Genetic studies debunk this. The people who call themselves Somalis today exclusively mix amongst themselves at the exclusion of every other group. Ethnicity is literally defined by the in-group/out-group tendencies and the facts on the grounds say we were highly endogamic, with Ethiopians mixing across divergent speech groups if they were in geographic proximity creating a gradient, while Somalis in Ethiopia were the only group identified to break that tendency, at the same time, showing they highly mixed with other Somalis. Somalis simply mixed with Somali clans while totally not with other ethnicities -- and this has been a thing since we came to the region, given how we retained not only homogeneity but also very pristine Cushitic DNA no other group in the Horn of Africa retained due to mixing to the degree of Somalis. This has been a several thousand-year process and has nothing to do with colonialism.

From Hammeren et al., 2022:

"At K=11 another East African component appears maximized in the Somali populations and as such might represent Cushitic related ancestry."

"The analysis using FEEMS recapitulates expected natural barriers to migration such as the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden, the Persian Gulf, and the Sahara Desert. In addition to clear geographical barriers, we also see evidence of linguistic and cultural barriers. One obvious example is the low migration rate between the Ethiopian Somali and the other Ethiopian populations, and as expected high migration rate inferred between the different Somali groups."

Somalis had high intra ethnic but inter-clan mixing:View attachment 294459
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Ali et al., 2020, showed how the Cushitic DNA has been stable and retained among Somalis ever since the divergent components mixed, meaning only one thing, not only did we mix exclusively with groups already matching the DNA proportions before coming to the Horn of Africa, but that we retained those dimensions to en extraordinary high degree since that signature genesis:

"The similarity of individuals is apparent, which presumably reflects very ancient admixture events and a unification process through endogamy."

"We observed that a vast majority of our study individuals carried similar proportions of genes from those ancient populations, which possibly can be explained by the fact that ethnic Somalis have a strong genetic unification by endogamy, due to the custom of marrying only within the limits of their ethnic group, in addition to consanguineous practices."

"However, recent evidences based on Y-STR haplotypes studied on Somalis from diverse geographic locations and clans suggest that ethnic Somalis are largely homogenous, supporting the representativeness of our samples for the larger Somali population."

This tells you as a man with no prior knowledge on this subject that there could never have been intra-ethnic diverse structuralism.

Hodgson et al., 2014 came to the same conclusion by observing the groups of the region:

"We then used the ADMIXTURE results to inform subgroup formation. At K = 12, the Amhara, Tygray, Oromo, and Afar all have similar proportions of non-African ancestries that differ from that seen in the Ari and Somali (Figure 2). This observation suggests a geographical structuring between the Amhara, Tygray, Oromo, and Afar in the Ethiopian highlands, the Somali in eastern Ethiopia and the Somalia lowlands, and the Ari in the southwestern Ethiopian Rift."

There was always Somali-specific ancestry structuralism no matter what clan or geographic placement at the exclusion of other groups. Somalis break the tendencies characteristic of the whole region basically only conforming to their own ways. So again, this is impossible without an ethnic conception... This discrimination is the quintessential definition of a coherent group you can ever find and it had nothing to do with colonialism.

That's some informative stuff you wrote there will save it but has nothing to do with what I talked about.

I am referring to the identity of Somali, the word itself not the people. I am viewing this from a social prespective so I hope you'll drop something as informative on that.

And please add the sources

 

[Khaem]

Genetic studies debunk this. The people who call themselves Somalis today exclusively mix amongst themselves at the exclusion of every other group. Ethnicity is literally defined by the in-group/out-group tendencies and the facts on the grounds say we were highly endogamic, with Ethiopians mixing across divergent speech groups if they were in geographic proximity creating a gradient, while Somalis in Ethiopia were the only group identified to break that tendency, at the same time, showing they highly mixed with other Somalis. Somalis simply mixed with Somali clans while totally not with other ethnicities -- and this has been a thing since we came to the region, given how we retained not only homogeneity but also very pristine Cushitic DNA no other group in the Horn of Africa retained due to mixing to the degree of Somalis. This has been a several thousand-year process and has nothing to do with colonialism.

From Hammeren et al., 2022:

"At K=11 another East African component appears maximized in the Somali populations and as such might represent Cushitic related ancestry."

"The analysis using FEEMS recapitulates expected natural barriers to migration such as the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden, the Persian Gulf, and the Sahara Desert. In addition to clear geographical barriers, we also see evidence of linguistic and cultural barriers. One obvious example is the low migration rate between the Ethiopian Somali and the other Ethiopian populations, and as expected high migration rate inferred between the different Somali groups."

Somalis had high intra ethnic but inter-clan mixing:View attachment 294459
View attachment 294460

Ali et al., 2020, showed how the Cushitic DNA has been stable and retained among Somalis ever since the divergent components mixed, meaning only one thing, not only did we mix exclusively with groups already matching the DNA proportions before coming to the Horn of Africa, but that we retained those dimensions to en extraordinary high degree since that signature genesis:

"The similarity of individuals is apparent, which presumably reflects very ancient admixture events and a unification process through endogamy."

"We observed that a vast majority of our study individuals carried similar proportions of genes from those ancient populations, which possibly can be explained by the fact that ethnic Somalis have a strong genetic unification by endogamy, due to the custom of marrying only within the limits of their ethnic group, in addition to consanguineous practices."

"However, recent evidences based on Y-STR haplotypes studied on Somalis from diverse geographic locations and clans suggest that ethnic Somalis are largely homogenous, supporting the representativeness of our samples for the larger Somali population."

This tells you as a man with no prior knowledge on this subject that there could never have been intra-ethnic diverse structuralism.

Hodgson et al., 2014 came to the same conclusion by observing the groups of the region:

"We then used the ADMIXTURE results to inform subgroup formation. At K = 12, the Amhara, Tygray, Oromo, and Afar all have similar proportions of non-African ancestries that differ from that seen in the Ari and Somali (Figure 2). This observation suggests a geographical structuring between the Amhara, Tygray, Oromo, and Afar in the Ethiopian highlands, the Somali in eastern Ethiopia and the Somalia lowlands, and the Ari in the southwestern Ethiopian Rift."

There was always Somali-specific ancestry structuralism no matter what clan or geographic placement at the exclusion of other groups. Somalis break the tendencies characteristic of the whole region basically only conforming to their own ways. So again, this is impossible without an ethnic conception... This discrimination is the quintessential definition of a coherent group you can ever find and it had nothing to do with colonialism.

No wonder somali are the most landheer Cushtiic group with so much land.

The tribe of Samaale iyo Sab are the purest of Cushites

 

[𝕃𝕠𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕙]

No wonder somali are the most landheer Cushtiic group with so much land.

The tribe of Samaale iyo Sab are the purest of Cushites

Compared to semites we're underperforming

 

[Leila]

In Somalia Banaadiri and Madow are not considered as foreigners. This is only an internet thing.

There are clans today in Somalia that have a Arab paternal lineage like Carab salaax, Sheikhaal etc and they are considered as Somali because they have been assimilated by Somalia. If our culture was so strict with the ‘your only Somali if your father is one’ these clans wouldn’t be accepted by native Somalis.

 

[𝕃𝕠𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕙]

In Somalia Banaadiri and Madow are not considered as foreigners. This is only an internet thing.

There are clans today in Somalia that have a Arab paternal lineage like Carab salaax, Sheikhaal etc and they are considered as Somali because they have been assimilated by Somalia. If our culture was so strict with the ‘your only Somali if your father is one’ these clans wouldn’t be accepted by native Somalis.

That's a good take, ilaahay dhiigkarka ha kaa caafiyo

 

[Khaem]

That's some informative stuff you wrote there will save it but has nothing to do with what I talked about.

I am referring to the identity of Somali, the word itself not the people. I am viewing this from a social prespective so I hope you'll drop something as informative on that.

And please add the sources

Somali has always been in use.
It's earliest mention in literary sources is the 1300s when the Ethiopian emperor wrote a poem boasting about the tribes he defeated in battle including Somali.

Howver the name somali is native and comes from the two words Soo (go) & maal (milk) which is because of our pastoral background.

Not all ethnic somali may have used it since a whole back there's evidence that peoples named themselves on how they lived.

The nomads called Somal
City dwellers called Tumal

Eventually for some reason the Somali name was used by everyone.

 

[Khaem]

In Somalia Banaadiri and Madow are not considered as foreigners. This is only an internet thing.

There are clans today in Somalia that have a Arab paternal lineage like Carab salaax, Sheikhaal etc and they are considered as Somali because they have been assimilated by Somalia. If our culture was so strict with the ‘your only Somali if your father is one’ these clans wouldn’t be accepted by native Somalis.

No one says they are foriegners. They are part of the nation.
They just aren't ethnic Somali