Why are Somalis so xenophobic ?

[The alchemist]

That's some informative stuff you wrote there will save it but has nothing to do with what I talked about.

I am referring to the identity of Somali, the word itself not the people. I am viewing this from a social prespective so I hope you'll drop something as informative on that.

And please add the sources

The Identity of Somalis has been fairly stable and stable if you read the anthropological work and facilitated by the genetic realities I wrote about (and it changes predictably over time as a continuity). These cannot be exclusive to each other whatsoever. This notion that the Somali identity is fairly new is not supported by any form of anthropology and there was never any heterogeneous pluralistic identity -- otherwise, you would see collective behavioral divergences documented on this and very different genetic realities that reflect that. Simply put, the identity cannot be new because of what I wrote, I gave you the hard science backing, the anthropological work supports this, and linguistically, ethnographically, and geospatial relationship as well is coherent. Your stance is fairly ignorant of the matter.

If you want to pivot to a semantic discussion, then the grounding of the conversation becomes clearly meaningless because the groundwork for the Somali people is that of strict coherency, no matter the semantical pivot. If I change my name now - that does not mean I am a different person. Granted the word Somali probably is not much documented at any point beyond the medieval time. Still, you need to grasp this simple reality, this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence argumentation is not strong. If Somalis suddenly change their ethnic name right now, doesn't mean they're an ethnic baby all of a sudden. It's that silly.

And to call you out, you mentioned the word identity related to the word, not the semantical word itself existing as a linguistic point with no symbolic meaning. So you're clearly being disingenuous trying to move the goalpost since I clearly demonstrated how we were always a people no matter what point you bring up. If you struggle to accept that, that is on you, but I gave you references on how we related to each other historically betrays any notion of ethnic discontinuity, and how some new colonialist arbitrary constructivism is impossible.

Anyway, I have written enough for you to chew on and internalize. If you have issues with this then that is on you, but I can't force people that neglect reason and evidence. Accept or don't, that's the facts. There is nothing to talk about beyond this point if you cannot concede because then you're stuck with something personal that is not my problem or concern.

 

[Khaem]

Compared to semites we're underperforming

Semites were colonised for like a millenia by Persians and Greco romans and Even Egyptians.

They were saved by the fact that the final messenger came from one of them and he united all the different Semetic tribes like under a single Arab identity and empire which expanded Semetic civilisation to north Africa.

Cushites were fucked on the other hand.
Our only source of lively hood was out cattle but for some reason a fly came to the great lakes and targeted our cattle which caused a famine at the exact time the bantus were expanding next to us with a population overflow whilst southern cushites were underpopulated due to mass famine.

North Cushitic in Sudan decided to switch over to some random language family like the Nubians and the Beja held out but arabism done in the northern cushites in the last couple decades.

Central cushites in the Highlands think they are semites cause the Sabeans from Yemen came over and fucked the Agew and assimilated them into south Semetic language and culture. Which is why Habasha language and Script is Yemeni Sabean.

Only landheer Cushites that held on are the lowland East Cushites. Aka the Somali, Oromo & Afar.
Our languages are the only widely spoken Cushtic languages and our tribes are not after thoughts in countries we're in. Somalia and Djibouti are Purley Cushtic Somali as well as Ogaden and NFD whilst the Oromo have been Xooging Ethiopia.

Not to mention the east Cushites worshiped a monotheistic single sky god even before Islam and didn't bother with idolatry. Unlike others.

 

[The alchemist]

No wonder somali are the most landheer Cushtiic group with so much land.

The tribe of Samaale iyo Sab are the purest of Cushites

Funny post, ngl.

 

[Khaem]

Funny post, ngl.

This information will play nicely in my new political somali book "mein xoogster"

 

[NidarNidar]

That makes me wonder, what exactly is a Somali?
If it's not an ethnic identity then is it a cultural one like Arabs??

I was listening to Ina cawsgurow he mentioned, that the Somal, Tumal and Biimaal were social classes within the lowland Cushites and that the current day clan systems are just alliances out of convenience.

He speaks of when we split off early cushites in Kenya due to internal fighting about grassing land, and we went east.

It's an interesting 2 hours long youtube video, which I highly recommend.

 

[𝕃𝕠𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕙]

I was listening to Ina cawsgurow he mentioned, that the Somal, Tumal and Biimaal were social classes within the lowland Cushites and that the current day clan systems are just alliances out of convenience.

He speaks of when we split off early cushites in Kenya due to internal fighting about grassing land, and we went east.

It's an interesting 2 hours long youtube video, which I highly recommend.

@Idrus mentioned this

 

[NidarNidar]

@Idrus mentioned this

I'll need to read the whole thread, at work so only skimmed past first page.

 

[𝕃𝕠𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕙]

I'll need to read the whole thread, at work so only skimmed past first page.

How only said that somal were nomads and tumal were city dwellers

 

[NidarNidar]

How only said that somal were nomads and tumal were city dwellers

Tumal were blacksmiths, within the majority of Cushitic groups, you find a similar breakdown.

 

[Burqad]

Somali has always been in use.
It's earliest mention in literary sources is the 1300s when the Ethiopian emperor wrote a poem boasting about the tribes he defeated in battle including Somali.

Howver the name somali is native and comes from the two words Soo (go) & maal (milk) which is because of our pastoral background.

Not all ethnic somali may have used it since a whole back there's evidence that peoples named themselves on how they lived.

The nomads called Somal
City dwellers called Tumal

Eventually for some reason the Somali name was used by everyone.

Somalis weren’t defeated, the poem went “Go Tell the Somalis”. He defeated another nation that had Somali allies and he was saying Somalis can’t help you

 

[Jaale]

Retarded western ciyaal, copying gaalo cad.

 

[ina-cilmi]

People trying to bend the meaning of what is "Somali" will get a rude awakening when they leave their diaspora blm bubbles.

Somalis determine who you are by lineage. You can quote me calling me all sorts of things and using this or that anecdote like they always do. But they can't change anything.

wallahi its so interesting to see how everyone just has their own take on what a somali is.

you'll have people saying that kids with a somali mother and a shisheeye father is somali because one of the parents is somali and 50% of the kids DNA is somali. so then we go by DNA.

you'll have the same people tell you that the cadcad and Madowweyne people are also somali while a minority of their DNA is somali and mostly consists of arab/indian/bantu.

where do we draw the line?

 

[ina-cilmi]

What do you mean “our land”

They had their own cities like Barawe, Merca and Xamar. They were the majority population in all of these cities, you can check the Italian 1932 census. Nomads from the five major clans did not live in these cities, but stayed in the bush. Lamagoodles are immigrants from Sudan, just like how half of Cad Cad’s ancestry are immigrants. Nobody is more “native”.

lol what? let them claim barawe but xamar and merca are somali cities that were inhabited by ethnic somalis.

ibn battuta mentions the the sultan of muqdisho being a somali who spoke somali

yaqut al hamawi. an arab geographer in the 1200s calls the inhabitants of xamar darkskinned

ibn said, another arab geographer, mentions the benaadir coast being inhabited predominantly by somalis with an arab minority

https://x.com/maintainnin/status/1647547635899695108?s=20

here are photos of merca in the 20th century.

stop lying on our history. the barwanis didnt create muqdisho or merca.

 

[Burqad]

wallahi its so interesting to see how everyone just has their own take on what a somali is.

you'll have people saying that kids with a somali mother and a shisheeye father is somali because one of the parents is somali and 50% of the kids DNA is somali. so then we go by DNA.

you'll have the same people tell you that the cadcad and Madowweyne people are also somali while a minority of their DNA is somali and mostly consists of arab/indian/bantu.

where do we draw the line?

We are doing this the Lander way, you are Somali if your paternal grandfather lived in the Somali peninsula before 1880.

 

[Unicorn]

lol what? let them claim barawe but xamar and merca are somali cities that were inhabited by ethnic somalis.

ibn battuta mentions the the sultan of muqdisho being a somali who spoke somali

yaqut al hamawi. an arab geographer in the 1200s calls the inhabitants of xamar darkskinned

ibn said, another arab geographer, mentions the benaadir coast being inhabited predominantly by somalis with an arab minority

https://x.com/maintainnin/status/1647547635899695108?s=20

here are photos of merca in the 20th century.

stop lying on our history. the barwanis didnt create muqdisho or merca.

Reer xamar were the ones to make xamar lit with their business. Ethnic somalis are everywhere

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

It's a online thing, very recent might I add. In Puntland you have the Carab Saalax, it's acknowledged they don't have a lineage, but say anything to them and you'll have your jaw rocked, they've integrated so much they're practically a part of MJ itself.

The Majeerteen Sultanate and other Harti, traded with the outside world for Centuries and this resulted in migration from Majeerteenia to Arab countries, and the migration of our Arab trading partners to our land. So, we have a large Arabised Harti community in Salalah, Oman, and the Arabs, like the Meheri, have a large community in our lands.

Nobody disassociates Carab Salaxs from Somalinimo, they look 100% Somali at this point anyway. There was even a contingent of Meheri soldiers in Futux Al Habesha (Holy War against Xabashis), 500 years ago!

They aren't somali they are arab

 

[Burqad]

They aren't somali they are arab

You aren’t Somali you are reer baraf

 

[Khaem]

wallahi its so interesting to see how everyone just has their own take on what a somali is.

you'll have people saying that kids with a somali mother and a shisheeye father is somali because one of the parents is somali and 50% of the kids DNA is somali. so then we go by DNA.

you'll have the same people tell you that the cadcad and Madowweyne people are also somali while a minority of their DNA is somali and mostly consists of arab/indian/bantu.

where do we draw the line?

We draw the line with tradition. Lineage was the main thing for somalis.

Trying to pull out some Bantu and say he's somali because of some 20% admixture and assimilated is bs and will never happen

 

[Burqad]

We draw the line with tradition. Lineage was the main thing for somalis.

Trying to pull out some Bantu and say he's somali because of some 20% admixture and assimilated is bs and will never happen

If he’s from a Somalized clan he is. Again we are Somali, we don’t deal with that cadaan dna shit.

 

[Chillin]

LOL this nigga thinks warrior Geeljires that fought British colonialists cared about slim noses and soft hair

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Holy based, too bad random Somali incels in London flats are obsessed with their noses and hair like that’s gonna get them jannah or money