What qualifies as zina?

[RICH]

nahh its not but it leads to it thus it is haraam.

Making out is zina. How are you saying it’s not? With this mindset I worry for you when you go to uni

 

[NotAjnabi]

ahhh so you basically go through the hadith to pick out the parts concerned with practicing the deen?

but if the hadiths are not accurate who said those parts of the hadiths are

Hadith and sunnah are two different things.

 

[Adan]

You will hold my bidaar? Saxib, your hairline goes all the way back to mogadishu, isku xishood. You should just go bald by that point.

Slapping me? With your gacmo baasto?

If I was you I'd fix my snicker teeth before talking all that smack, dulli bad tahay.

I'm the oppo

You will hold my bidaar? Saxib, your hairline goes all the way back to mogadishu, isku xishood. You should just go bald by that point.

Slapping me? With your gacmo baasto?

If I was you I'd fix my snicker teeth before talking all that smack, dulli bad tahay.

Gacmo baasto??? One slap from me u will get a ticket to ICU coma saaxib!!

 

[MuslimManMe]

I don't trust hadith, sorry. It was written 200 years after the prophets death, whilst the sunnah was established by the prophet during his lifetime. Thus I always see the hadith as optional, like sauce on nuggets.

I only need the Quran to be honest, God's words are sufficent enough as the holy Quran is complete and fully detailed as said by the lord

The hadith is a so called saying of the prophet which cannot be proven to be authentic or true. The word Hadith is often understood to be a synonym for the word Sunnah. This is not correct. There is a great difference between the two not only regarding the extent of their authenticity, but also their content. So the first thing to understand is, a hadith can be unathentic or false, whilst the sunnah cannot.

A hadith will never be equal to the Sunnah and the Quran, and that's precisely why they're optional.
@zeinap83 @MuslimManMe

First of all hadith were not written 200 years after the prophets death

Secondly the first one to put together a compilation book of hadith is Imam Malik with his al muwatta (the approved ). Malik was born 79 years after the prophets death meaning that the first widely dispersed book was COMPLWTED sometime between 99 and 120 years after the death of the prophet. But there were other companions and tabieen who had compilations of hadith before that. So please stop spreading that 200 year misinformation.

To give you an example. Today today, I know EXACTLY WHAT Abraham Lincoln said in his inauguration in 1860 and I know exactly what the debaters in the American Congress said word for word in the prelude to the war of 1812. That was 206 years ago.

Thirdly None of those men were anywhere near as documented as the prophet muhammad (saws) nor are there entire biographies dedicated to the historians who relayed sayings from Abe Lincoln. I have 500 page volumes just on the reliability and biographers of people in the chain of Hadiths

Fourthly, there are Hadiths that are mutawattir across so many chains of narrations and people that the possibility of these being fabricated is virtually impossoble. The fact that there are a great multitude of hadith that sunnis and shias share is a great example of this.

Fifth, there is a tremendous amount of consistency in the Sahih Hadiths in terms of conceptualizing the Deen and relating historical events. For example, there are traditions about surah al alaq and the tension between Abu jahl and the Prophet. Or the traditions that tell you who Abu Lahab was or the traditions about the background to surah kauthar or the background to naziat ect ect ect ect ect.

Finally, your attempts to toss the hadith aside as if they are not a form of the hifdh (protection ) of Allah is so intellectually dishonest and it's more of a testament to a shortcoming of iman. ALLAH SAYS THAT HE REVEALED THE REMEMBRANCE AND HE WILL PROTECT IT. do you not realize that the hadith literature and the tremendous science behind it is a form of protection of the Deen? Do you realize that without the hadith you have no sunnah as the prophet is mentioned by name only 3 times in the quran . Do you not realize that your mode of salah is made known to you by information recorded in Hadith. All these are forms of protection for Allah so that we can trace our deen down to its very beginning.

Wallahi billahi if you're not an agent I advise you to dash your pride clean your hearts and realize that the earlier people were on excellent guidance and that they gave us a framework for preserving the deen. Don't be the asbab (means) for people going astray.

Salaam

 

[zeinap83]

Making out is zina. How are you saying it’s not? With this mindset I worry for you when you go to uni

ahhahah im done with you
anyways abaayo zina is fornication which is sexual intercourse. making out is haraam but it aint sexual intercourse.

 

[MuslimManMe]

Well akhi think logically. If you don't have any protection and just have regular sex then your penis skin is touching the viginal wall. However, your condom will be covering your penis skin meaning you'll still have your virginity and don't forget blowjob isn't considered Zina either.

There is a reason why I am a legit halal virgin.

Don't play with Deen brother

 

[zeinap83]

Hadith and sunnah are two different things.

answer the question waraya. where do you obtain the sunnah from if it aint from the hadith?

 

[NotAjnabi]

First of all hadith were not written 200 years after the prophets death

Secondly the first one to put together a compilation book of hadith is Imam Malik with his al muwatta (the approved ). Malik was born 79 years after the prophets death meaning that the first widely dispersed book was COMPLWTED sometime between 99 and 120 years after the death of the prophet. But there were other companions and tabieen who had compilations of hadith before that. So please stop spreading that 200 year misinformation.

To give you an example. Today today, I know EXACTLY WHAT Abraham Lincoln said in his inauguration in 1860 and I know exactly what the debaters in the American Congress said word for word in the prelude to the war of 1812. That was 206 years ago.

Thirdly None of those men were anywhere near as documented as the prophet muhammad (saws) nor are there entire biographies dedicated to the historians who relayed sayings from Abe Lincoln. I have 500 page volumes just on the reliability and biographers of people in the chain of Hadiths

Fourthly, there are Hadiths that are mutawattir across so many chains of narrations and people that the possibility of these being fabricated is virtually impossoble. The fact that there are a great multitude of hadith that sunnis and shias share is a great example of this.

Fifth, there is a tremendous amount of consistency in the Sahih Hadiths in terms of conceptualizing the Deen and relating historical events. For example, there are traditions about surah al alaq and the tension between Abu jahl and the Prophet. Or the traditions that tell you who Abu Lahab was or the traditions about the background to surah kauthar or the background to naziat ect ect ect ect ect.

Finally, your attempts to toss the hadith aside as if they are not a form of the hifdh (protection ) of Allah is so intellectually dishonest and it's more of a testament to a shortcoming of iman. ALLAH SAYS THAT HE REVEALED THE REMEMBRANCE AND HE WILL PROTECT IT. do you not realize that the hadith literature and the tremendous science behind it is a form of protection of the Deen? Do you realize that without the hadith you have no sunnah as the prophet is mentioned by name only 3 times in the quran . Do you not realize that your mode of salah is made known to you by information recorded in Hadith. All these are forms of protection for Allah so that we can trace our deen down to its very beginning.

Wallahi billahi if you're not an agent I advise you to dash your pride clean your hearts and realize that the earlier people were on excellent guidance and that they gave us a framework for preserving the deen. Don't be the asbab (means) for people going astray.

Salaam

Hadith are optional, It's fact that the sunnah and hadith are two different things. You can be a salafi all you wan't, but don't go preaching as if it's Islam, that's simply your sect distorted image on islam.

Are you retarded? Did the prophet die 200 years ago, or 1400 years ago? Wallahi your reading comprehension is xaar, lmao.

Hadith were compiled 200 years AFTER the prophets death, learn to read.

 

[NotAjnabi]

answer the question waraya. where do you obtain the sunnah from if it aint from the hadith?

I just told you, Sunnah is a confirmed and authentic saying of the prophet, hadith are not. What's so hard about understanding that?

 

[RICH]

ahhahah im done with you
anyways abaayo zina is fornication which is sexual intercourse. making out is haraam but it aint sexual intercourse.

It’s definition waa unlawful intercourse, you’re right. Laakin I mean that there are different kinds of zina. For example zina is the hand (touching things that are unlawful for you), zina of the eyes, zina of the ears etc. These things eventually lead to the actual haram act as someone else mentioned before.

 

[Adan]

I just told you, Sunnah is a confirmed and authentic saying of the prophet, hadith are not. What's so hard about understanding that?

, you the most retarded animal sheep walking in this forum saaxib!!!

 

[zeinap83]

I just told you, Sunnah is a confirmed and authentic saying of the prophet, hadith are not. What's so hard about understanding that?

WARAYA WHERE IS THE SUNNAH? i swear you obtained the sunnah from the hadith and the quran.

 

[MuslimManMe]

Hadith are optional, It's fact that the sunnah and hadith are two different things. You can be a salafi all you wan't, but don't go preaching as if it's Islam, that's simply your sect distorted image on islam.

Are you retarded? Did the prophet die 200 years ago, or 1400 years ago? Wallahi your reading comprehension is xaar, lmao.

Hadith were compiled 200 years AFTER the prophets death, learn to read.

You didn't read my post

You said the hadith were written 200 years after the prophets death.

That is a lie because the first person to compile a well known book of hadith is Imam malik in his Muwatta

Imam Malik was born 79 years after the prophets

If imam malik published al muwatta between the ages of 20 and 40 then that Means Al Muwatta became known 100 to 120 years after the death of the prophet

Further weakening your point is the fact that malik would have had to start compoling before publication and the fact that well known tabeen and sahaba had books of hadith they kept for personal use. This means that the hadith were well circulated before malik.

So please stop spreading dalala and seek ilm before you misguide someone other than yourself

 

[Adan]

WARAYA WHERE IS THE SUNNAH? i swear you obtained the sunnah from the hadith and the quran.

That picture it's the same reaction as me that was funny

 

[MuslimManMe]

It's crazy how people have been paid to distort deen.

I wonder if the payments are worth their soul

 

[zeinap83]

It’s definition waa unlawful intercourse, you’re right. Laakin I mean that there are different kinds of zina. For example zina is the hand (touching things that are unlawful for you), zina of the eyes, zina of the ears etc. These things eventually lead to the actual haram act as someone else mentioned before.

if it isnt the definition of zina it isnt zina abaayo. Im using the literal definition here. When people say zina of the eyes theyre highlighting the extent of its fitna they dont mean its actual zina. its an expression.

 

[zeinap83]

anyways this is all irrelevant to me cuz im sufi. byee

 

[RICH]

if it isnt the definition of zina it isnt zina abaayo. Im using the literal definition here. When people say zina of the eyes theyre highlighting the extent of its fitna they dont mean its actual zina. its an expression.

Haa waan gartay... Interesting.

 

[Adan]

anyways this is all irrelevant to me cuz im sufi. byee

That's why u were talking shit to me im alhlul sunnah I get it now SUFI WOMAN

 

[Factz]

Don't play with Deen brother

Sxb I'm joking.