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Your Allah prefers to kill Muslims horrifically on the hands of other Muslims, why don't you gather all the Mujahids of your clan and beg your Allah to kill me that way. You are dismissed Mrs Qabiil Mujahid.
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Iftiin
Your Allah prefers to kill Muslims horrifically on the hands of other Muslims, why don't you gather all the Mujahids of your clan and beg your Allah to kill me that way. You are dismissed Mrs Qabiil Mujahid.
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Iftiin
You are obsessed with homosexuality and the LGBT people, there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults to have sex, gay or straight. You should be worried of Somalis dying like flies and fleeing in their 100,000's seeking refugee status in all corners of the world. Therefore, let me educate you moron that almost all of the Muslim caliphates from the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Córdoba Spain, Fatimid to the Ottomans leaders have indulged in ghilman (boy love). Throughout Muslim history, Muslim sultans were fond of handsome young slaves very whom they kept close to their persons as pages, service-boys, bodyguards, special troops and as gay companions. Infatuation for such slaves was a bane of the life of Muslim royalty and nobility and considered it to be a fashion. If you are in the closet and want to live openly as a lesbian, you can move to Kuwait, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan because homosexuality between females in these Muslim countries is legal.
There is no light beating or beating at all . The word "Darb" in that context(4:34) means to "Cite them" to authority(as in judge) - Abandon them/Leave them. The miswak business is due to the translators using a story from the Bible to support that view. No authentic Hadith of the prophet supports the translation of beating a wife. If anyone knows please quote.They used the story of Prophet Job(Ayub) who made a bundle of grass sticks to hit with his wife to meet an oath he made out of anger . But even that story is in the Quran with Job doing nothing like that. No mention of him hitting his wife. So, it never happened that way either.
The word Darb in the Quran has many meanings in different verses. Its meaning is determined by the preposition added to it. In this particular verse where many quote to claim there is beating, it actually means "cite them", it is the last step of what a man does in conflict resolution with his wife and it means he raises the issue up to a judge or authority after nothing else works. Or he separates from her.
This is a case where tradition and local bias took over and many translators went with the norm even though there is no evidence supporting that claim.
Normally, in Arabic, Darb as in the Video posted by the OP would mean "Strike/Beat" as well, but check this out also and see its different meanings in the Quran itself:
- journey in the land/earth [2:273, 3:156, 4:101, 5:106, 73:20] Darb in these verses mean Journey/Travel
- propound/cite an example/similitude/parable [2:26, 13:17, 14:24, 14:25, 14:45, 16:74, 16:75, 16:76, 16:112, 17:48, 18:32, 18:45, 22:73, 24:35, 25:9, 25:39, 29:43, 30:28, 30:58, 36:13, 36:78, 39:27, 39:29, 43:17, 43:57, 43:58, 47:3, 59:21, 66:10, 66:11] there are some varying meanings for DARB depending on who you read for translation in these verse. But generally, it means giving an example.
- in this way God propounds/cites the truth and the falsehood [13:17} same here,
And many more examples. It will be too long to quote the word Darb +something in the Quran to show the meanings it has in different contexts.
I can drop the link I quoted from if you are interested for serious reading It is too long to read. What I quoted here is good enough. There is no beating with miswak or with a finger.
Burhan, Mar 28, 2017 Report
The word Darb in the Quran has many meanings in different verses. Its meaning is determined by the preposition added to it. In this particular verse where many quote to claim there is beating, it actually means "cite them", it is the last step of what a man does in conflict resolution with his wife and it means he raises the issue up to a judge or authority after nothing else works. Or he separates from her.
This is a case where tradition and local bias took over and many translators went with the norm even though there is no evidence supporting that claim.
Normally, in Arabic, Darb as in the Video posted by the OP would mean "Strike/Beat" as well, but check this out also and see its different meanings in the Quran itself:
- journey in the land/earth [2:273, 3:156, 4:101, 5:106, 73:20] Darb in these verses mean Journey/Travel
- propound/cite an example/similitude/parable [2:26, 13:17, 14:24, 14:25, 14:45, 16:74, 16:75, 16:76, 16:112, 17:48, 18:32, 18:45, 22:73, 24:35, 25:9, 25:39, 29:43, 30:28, 30:58, 36:13, 36:78, 39:27, 39:29, 43:17, 43:57, 43:58, 47:3, 59:21, 66:10, 66:11] there are some varying meanings for DARB depending on who you read for translation in these verse. But generally, it means giving an example.
- in this way God propounds/cites the truth and the falsehood [13:17} same here,
And many more examples. It will be too long to quote the word Darb +something in the Quran to show the meanings it has in different contexts.
I can drop the link I quoted from if you are interested for serious reading It is too long to read. What I quoted here is good enough. There is no beating with miswak or with a finger.
Burhan, Mar 28, 2017 Report
1)
DRB fee al ard = journey in the land/earth
[2:273, 3:156, 4:101, 5:106, 73:20]
Some translators use "go out", "move about".
2)
DRB fee sabeeli Allahi = journey in God's way/path
[4:94] This is taken literally and non-literally by translators.
3)
DRB + mathal = propound/cite an example/similitude/parable
[2:26, 13:17, 14:24, 14:25, 14:45, 16:74, 16:75, 16:76, 16:112, 17:48, 18:32, 18:45, 22:73, 24:35, 25:9, 25:39, 29:43, 30:28, 30:58, 36:13, 36:78, 39:27, 39:29, 43:17, 43:57, 43:58, 47:3, 59:21, 66:10, 66:11]
With regard to the translation of DRB in the above verses there is variation, depending on translator, e.g. some use variations in 17:48, 25:9, 43:58, 43:17.
4)
kathalika yadribu Allahu al haqqa wa al batila = in this way God propounds/cites the truth and the falsehood
[13:17]
For this verse some use "collides", "puts/shows forth" (e.g. Ibn Kathir), "points out" (e.g. Al Jalalayn).
5)
Fa darabna AAala athanihim fee al kahfi sineena AAadadan = So We sealed/covered on/over their ears in the cave some years
[18:11]
The verse is literally saying the effect of "DRB on/over their ears in the cave" lasted several years. This seems to suggest God kept them isolated in the cave, when they were hiding out, thus cut off from the outside world. Mustansir Mir in "Verbal Idioms of The Qur'an" says it is an idiom meaning to prevent someone from hearing something, sealing off, or put to sleep. The only other related example in which DRB with something is done on/over something else is 24:31, when covers are cast over chests.
This should be enough to show meaning for the word Darb which also means strike/beat and how it takes different meanings in the Quran.
For those of you who are not invested in Islam and declared their atheism, your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance when it comes to Islam. Go ahead, be quick to judge Islam cause it makes you feel good.
Islam wins again on here.
Burhan, Mar 28, 2017 Report
DRB fee al ard = journey in the land/earth
[2:273, 3:156, 4:101, 5:106, 73:20]
Some translators use "go out", "move about".
2)
DRB fee sabeeli Allahi = journey in God's way/path
[4:94] This is taken literally and non-literally by translators.
3)
DRB + mathal = propound/cite an example/similitude/parable
[2:26, 13:17, 14:24, 14:25, 14:45, 16:74, 16:75, 16:76, 16:112, 17:48, 18:32, 18:45, 22:73, 24:35, 25:9, 25:39, 29:43, 30:28, 30:58, 36:13, 36:78, 39:27, 39:29, 43:17, 43:57, 43:58, 47:3, 59:21, 66:10, 66:11]
With regard to the translation of DRB in the above verses there is variation, depending on translator, e.g. some use variations in 17:48, 25:9, 43:58, 43:17.
4)
kathalika yadribu Allahu al haqqa wa al batila = in this way God propounds/cites the truth and the falsehood
[13:17]
For this verse some use "collides", "puts/shows forth" (e.g. Ibn Kathir), "points out" (e.g. Al Jalalayn).
5)
Fa darabna AAala athanihim fee al kahfi sineena AAadadan = So We sealed/covered on/over their ears in the cave some years
[18:11]
The verse is literally saying the effect of "DRB on/over their ears in the cave" lasted several years. This seems to suggest God kept them isolated in the cave, when they were hiding out, thus cut off from the outside world. Mustansir Mir in "Verbal Idioms of The Qur'an" says it is an idiom meaning to prevent someone from hearing something, sealing off, or put to sleep. The only other related example in which DRB with something is done on/over something else is 24:31, when covers are cast over chests.
This should be enough to show meaning for the word Darb which also means strike/beat and how it takes different meanings in the Quran.
For those of you who are not invested in Islam and declared their atheism, your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance when it comes to Islam. Go ahead, be quick to judge Islam cause it makes you feel good.
Islam wins again on here.
Burhan, Mar 28, 2017 Report
A DEEPER LOOK AT THE WORD 'DARABA' (TO BEAT) IN CONTEXT OF WIVES
Grammar and The Root Word background:
The imperative verb 'idrib' is formed from the root D-R-B and the ground form (Form 1 or stem) verb 'daraba'.
The Arabic word used in verse 4:34 is 'idribo' (1) 'hunna' (2). (In Quranic recitation - 'idribohun').
The two words are connected with a subject pronoun 'wow' which is not the focus here, nor is the conjunction prefix 'wa' which simply means 'and'.
Let us examine the two main parts of the word again, 'Idrib' (1) being an imperative verb and 'Hunna' (2), a feminine plural pronoun (referring to the wives).
A common understanding of Arabic is that [Idrib] + Noun/Pronoun would mean to beat someone which is certainly the form 'idribohunna' is encountered in the Quranic text of verse 4:34.
WITH A PREPOSITION (AN) 'IDRIB' CAN MEAN TO SEPARATE
Another well accepted understanding of Arabic is that [idhrib] + AN + Noun / Pronoun can mean 'to turn away, shun, separate and avoid' someone.
Illustration - Joseph Islam
DARABA vb. (I) ~ to strike, smite, stamp, beat; to liken or strike (a parable or similitude), to cite (an example or a dispute); (daraba fi al-ard) to journey; to draw or cast (a veil); (with prep. 'ala') to pitch on, to stamp; (with prep. 'an) to turn something away; (with prep. bayn) to set up between, to separate, (n.vb) striking, smiting, etc.; (with prep. fi) journeying. [1]
This is also confirmed by the lexicon excerpt below, where we note that 'daraba an' has been rendered as to 'turn away from, leave, forsake, abandon, avoid or shun.'
Source: Hans Wehr's Modern Written Arabic [2]
The argument is usually advanced that as the preposition 'an' is absent from the particular text in the Quran, the word 'idribohunna' cannot be rendered as 'shun/turn away' and therefore must retain the meaning 'to beat them'. There is no similar comparison of the Quranic term 'idribohunna' in the form: idrib + Noun / Pronoun (as in verse 4:34) in other parts of the Quran.
'IDRIBOHUNNA' TO MEAN SHUN OR TO TURN AWAY
Students of classical Arabic and researchers of older Arabic lexicons will note however, that the preposition 'an' is not necessarily required to render the term 'Idribo'hunna' to turn away, shun, avoid or separate. This fact can be attested from the following lexicon excerpt of Edward Lanes who quotes TA (Taj-ul Urus), S (The Sihah), Msb (The misbah of El Feiyumi) and the K (The Kamoos) to discuss the relevant terms.
In this way, the Quranic term 'Idribo hunna' can mean to 'turn away or separate' without the preposition 'an'. This certainly seems to be the understanding of earlier classical Arabic lexicon authorities that were scrutinised and cited by Edward Lanes.
Source: Edward Lanes Lexicon [3]
ANOMALY
Whenever the imperative verb 'idrib' is used in the Quran to denote ‘strike’, whether idiomatically or otherwise, the Quran always qualifies it by making it clear by either one or both of the following:
(1) What object to use to strike with, and / or
(2) What part of the body or 'object' to strike.
002:060 Strike the rock (2) with your staff (1)
002:073 Strike him (2) with a part of it (heifer) (1)
007:160 Strike the rock (2) with your staff (1)
008:012 Strike off their heads (2) and strike off every fingertip (2) of them
008:012 Strike off every fingertip (2) of them.
020:077 Strike for them a dry path in the sea (See 26:63 - elaborated - Strike the sea (2) with your staff (1))
038:044 Take in your hand a bundle of rushes (1), and strike with it
However, only in verse 4:34 do we notice that the imperative verb 'idrib' neither tells us (1) what object to use to strike with nor (2) what part of the body to strike.
Without qualification, it would be difficult to conclude that the intention of the verb was ever to ‘strike’. If 'idribohunna' was translated in the traditional manner to 'strike / beat them', then such an isolated, unqualified rendition would leave it wide open for any aggressed husband to beat / strike his wife in any manner, wherever he wanted, with any amount of given force.
Therefore, verse 4:34 does not fit the Quran's usual qualification of 'idrib' when rendered to 'strike/beat'.
FINAL THOUGHTS
As has been shown above , the term 'Idribo hunna' in Surah Nisa (4.34) can mean to 'shun - turn away from' (not necessarily to beat) and does not necessarily require a preposition 'an' for this meaning to be operative. It was also noted that the imperative verb 'idrib' has never been used in the Quran in an unqualified manner without explaining (1) What object to use to strike with or (2) What part of the body or object to strike.
039:018
"Those who listen to the Word (the Quran) and follow the best meaning in it / best of it (Arabic: fayattabi'una ahsanahu) those are the ones whom God has guided and those are the one's endowed with understanding (Arabic: Albabi)
039.055
"And follow the best of what is revealed to you from your Lord, before the penalty comes to you suddenly while you do not perceive!”
My Comment(below as all above are quotes with one or two exceptions):
Any argument presented after this post is a cry for help. Please read all before you comment. I won't comment for two days on here so you folks can take time to read it. If you could not be bothered to read, Don't comment at all.
Burhan, Mar 29, 2017 Report
Grammar and The Root Word background:
The imperative verb 'idrib' is formed from the root D-R-B and the ground form (Form 1 or stem) verb 'daraba'.
The Arabic word used in verse 4:34 is 'idribo' (1) 'hunna' (2). (In Quranic recitation - 'idribohun').
The two words are connected with a subject pronoun 'wow' which is not the focus here, nor is the conjunction prefix 'wa' which simply means 'and'.
Let us examine the two main parts of the word again, 'Idrib' (1) being an imperative verb and 'Hunna' (2), a feminine plural pronoun (referring to the wives).
A common understanding of Arabic is that [Idrib] + Noun/Pronoun would mean to beat someone which is certainly the form 'idribohunna' is encountered in the Quranic text of verse 4:34.
WITH A PREPOSITION (AN) 'IDRIB' CAN MEAN TO SEPARATE
Another well accepted understanding of Arabic is that [idhrib] + AN + Noun / Pronoun can mean 'to turn away, shun, separate and avoid' someone.
Illustration - Joseph Islam
DARABA vb. (I) ~ to strike, smite, stamp, beat; to liken or strike (a parable or similitude), to cite (an example or a dispute); (daraba fi al-ard) to journey; to draw or cast (a veil); (with prep. 'ala') to pitch on, to stamp; (with prep. 'an) to turn something away; (with prep. bayn) to set up between, to separate, (n.vb) striking, smiting, etc.; (with prep. fi) journeying. [1]
This is also confirmed by the lexicon excerpt below, where we note that 'daraba an' has been rendered as to 'turn away from, leave, forsake, abandon, avoid or shun.'
Source: Hans Wehr's Modern Written Arabic [2]
The argument is usually advanced that as the preposition 'an' is absent from the particular text in the Quran, the word 'idribohunna' cannot be rendered as 'shun/turn away' and therefore must retain the meaning 'to beat them'. There is no similar comparison of the Quranic term 'idribohunna' in the form: idrib + Noun / Pronoun (as in verse 4:34) in other parts of the Quran.
'IDRIBOHUNNA' TO MEAN SHUN OR TO TURN AWAY
Students of classical Arabic and researchers of older Arabic lexicons will note however, that the preposition 'an' is not necessarily required to render the term 'Idribo'hunna' to turn away, shun, avoid or separate. This fact can be attested from the following lexicon excerpt of Edward Lanes who quotes TA (Taj-ul Urus), S (The Sihah), Msb (The misbah of El Feiyumi) and the K (The Kamoos) to discuss the relevant terms.
In this way, the Quranic term 'Idribo hunna' can mean to 'turn away or separate' without the preposition 'an'. This certainly seems to be the understanding of earlier classical Arabic lexicon authorities that were scrutinised and cited by Edward Lanes.
Source: Edward Lanes Lexicon [3]
ANOMALY
Whenever the imperative verb 'idrib' is used in the Quran to denote ‘strike’, whether idiomatically or otherwise, the Quran always qualifies it by making it clear by either one or both of the following:
(1) What object to use to strike with, and / or
(2) What part of the body or 'object' to strike.
002:060 Strike the rock (2) with your staff (1)
002:073 Strike him (2) with a part of it (heifer) (1)
007:160 Strike the rock (2) with your staff (1)
008:012 Strike off their heads (2) and strike off every fingertip (2) of them
008:012 Strike off every fingertip (2) of them.
020:077 Strike for them a dry path in the sea (See 26:63 - elaborated - Strike the sea (2) with your staff (1))
038:044 Take in your hand a bundle of rushes (1), and strike with it
However, only in verse 4:34 do we notice that the imperative verb 'idrib' neither tells us (1) what object to use to strike with nor (2) what part of the body to strike.
Without qualification, it would be difficult to conclude that the intention of the verb was ever to ‘strike’. If 'idribohunna' was translated in the traditional manner to 'strike / beat them', then such an isolated, unqualified rendition would leave it wide open for any aggressed husband to beat / strike his wife in any manner, wherever he wanted, with any amount of given force.
Therefore, verse 4:34 does not fit the Quran's usual qualification of 'idrib' when rendered to 'strike/beat'.
FINAL THOUGHTS
As has been shown above , the term 'Idribo hunna' in Surah Nisa (4.34) can mean to 'shun - turn away from' (not necessarily to beat) and does not necessarily require a preposition 'an' for this meaning to be operative. It was also noted that the imperative verb 'idrib' has never been used in the Quran in an unqualified manner without explaining (1) What object to use to strike with or (2) What part of the body or object to strike.
039:018
"Those who listen to the Word (the Quran) and follow the best meaning in it / best of it (Arabic: fayattabi'una ahsanahu) those are the ones whom God has guided and those are the one's endowed with understanding (Arabic: Albabi)
039.055
"And follow the best of what is revealed to you from your Lord, before the penalty comes to you suddenly while you do not perceive!”
My Comment(below as all above are quotes with one or two exceptions):
Any argument presented after this post is a cry for help. Please read all before you comment. I won't comment for two days on here so you folks can take time to read it. If you could not be bothered to read, Don't comment at all.
Burhan, Mar 29, 2017 Report
Iftiin, just repost these whenever he reposts his old material. This guy wants to trash the place, so we will oblige his mental case and say a word or two on Islam's behalf.
When he insults the prophet, which I am sure he is itching to do, he will be banned as before. He could be writing from an asylum honestly seeing how obsessed he is. Waa damiin weliba.
When he insults the prophet, which I am sure he is itching to do, he will be banned as before. He could be writing from an asylum honestly seeing how obsessed he is. Waa damiin weliba.
Habartaa buufkeed
Ive met these Hizb u tahrir morons, and its a cult.
its like one of those fundementalist cults in the US, with their own compounds,
and power leaders that get to f*ck all the women..
its like one of those fundementalist cults in the US, with their own compounds,
and power leaders that get to f*ck all the women..
Sharkman-Demon
Mossad Agent
So if someone brings up sources that the highest islamic authorities deem as true but it happened to make muhammad look terrible according to you're western white-washed view of islam, would you deem those as insults?
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