Ukraine’s Nazi Problem.

[Chase]

Are you really gonna defend the butchering of Muslims by the Serbs?

LEGALLY speaking.

What about Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and so on?

My point is more that the West will override any legal mandates or guidelines to achieve their goals, in fact, I'd argue it's this brazen attitude that has led to the Russian/Chinese alliance, can't really abide by the rules when nobody else is playing the game right.

 

[anonimo]

Oh I dont support Russia nor US, they are both the different sides of the same coin, I just was amused by your reasoning that Russians do regime change. I dont deny that but they dont act as world policeman either. They do whats in their interest and its time every nation do just that. For Example Kenya is occupying Kismaayo right now solely due to US blessings.

Let me ask you a question please. Without some sort of 'World Police' in this World, however imperfect, how will the world be like?

 

[TekNiKo]

Let me ask you a question please. Without some sort of 'World Police' in this World, however imperfect, how will the world be like?

World police is horrible for the Somali people, the civil war will never have a winner. I dont care who wins just let their one law and let the people either rebel or suffer. But its time to end foreign meddling in our nation and not allow vassal cities/states to thrive at the detriment of our people

 

[Periplus]

LEGALLY speaking.

What about Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and so on?

My point is more that the West will override any legal mandates or guidelines to achieve their goals, in fact, I'd argue it's this brazen attitude that has led to the Russian/Chinese alliance, can't really abide by the rules when nobody else is playing the game right.

Should we list the amount of Muslim nations Russia has colonised and how many people practice Islam there now.

I don’t like Western imperialism but Soviet imperialism is worse.

 

[Chase]

They are sounding the alarm because China is already laying claim to the South China Sea. Take US military influence away and most of these South China countries will fold.

No Western country this century or towards the end of the last have brazenly gone out and annexed another country's territory. They have definitely acted against the Law as in Iraq etc. but they have not pushed the boat out as far as Russia or China (South China Sea). Serbia deserved everything they got by the way, they wanted to enforce their will on Kosovo whilst allowing self-determination for themselves and other Slavs after the end of Yugoslav War. Libya was nothing but regime change, I agree.

I'm not trying to take sides, just trying to be pragmatic, the problem I have with the "West is always right" crowd is that, they assume the West doesn't have any geopolitical interests and will stop at nothing to achieve their objectives.

Overall, the West has committed far more destruction to mankind than any entity circa WWII, sanctioned countries to the brink of starvation, caused millions to flee, committed war crimes with impunity. Whatever the Russian/Chinese are doing/have done, it pales in comparison to what the West has inflicted on mankind.

 

[Periplus]

Funny you guys mentioned that but there seems to be a resurgence of genocide warnings in Bosnia, Yuguslavian tensions still run deep and are very fragile. NATO had to step in on the genocide against Muslims it was savage, they still praise the guy arrested for the genocide crazy

Nigga don’t shift the goalpost.

You haven’t responded to my other point earlier and now you’re trying to butt into another argument.

Don’t start an argument after you couldn’t finish one.

 

[Chase]

Should we list the amount of Muslim nations Russia has colonised and how many people practice Islam there now.

I don’t like Western imperialism but Soviet imperialism is worse.

Soviet imperialism can't be compared to Western imperialism just like that without accounting for history, genetics, religion, etc. We're going to have to go down a rabbit hole for that one, we can at least agree that any kind of imperialism is bad.

 

[TekNiKo]

Nigga don’t shift the goalpost.

You haven’t responded to my other point earlier and now you’re trying to butt into another argument.

Don’t start an argument after you couldn’t finish one.

What thread? I never ran away, show me, son.

 

[Periplus]

@TekNiKo defend yourself before you cape for other niggas.

We were having a back and forth, I sent this response and then you ghosted.

Now you’re defending niggas in different arguments.

 

[anonimo]

World police is horrible for the Somali people, the civil war will never have a winner. I dont care who wins just let their one law and let the people either rebel or suffer. But its time to end foreign meddling in our nation and not allow vassal cities/states to thrive at the detriment of our people

You didn't get my question bro. Before the current international order, it was a free for all. By your own admission, we are a fractured ethnic group that already have enough willing collaborators among us that it is easy to divide and conquer us. Go back to such a status quo and what will hypothetically stop a stable Ethiopia from annexing part of our coastline as was always the intention of Xabashi imperialists such as Selassie?

 

[Periplus]

Soviet imperialism can't be compared to Western imperialism just like that without accounting for history, genetics, religion, etc. We're going to have to go down a rabbit hole for that one, we can at least agree that any kind of imperialism is bad.

Yes but I find Soviet imperialism worse.

I will always call out imperialism but Russia’s Soviet imperialism is the worst for me.

 

[TekNiKo]

@TekNiKo defend yourself before you cape for other niggas.

We were having a back and forth, I sent this response and then you ghosted.

Now you’re defending niggas in different arguments.



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All of those countries were incorporated into NATO, so what is the difference? They are both under the sphere of foreign powers. Russia is only trying to look after her interest in securing these nations as buffer zones just like the US who seeks them as a launching pads against Russia. They are both vying for power so why do you futoclap for US hypocrite?

 

[Periplus]

All of those countries were incorporated into NATO, so what is the difference? They are both under the sphere of foreign powers. Russia is only trying to look after her interest in securing these nations as buffer zones just like the US who seeks them as a launching pads against Russia. They are both vying for power so why do you futoclap for US hypocrite?

They went into NATO to defend themselves from their former coloniser. I feel sorry for them, imagine being so scared you choose the US voluntarily.

Looking at what happened to Ukraine, it’s very clear why they joined NATO.

 

[TekNiKo]

They went into NATO to defend themselves from their former coloniser. I feel sorry for them, imagine being so scared you choose the US.

Looking at what happened to Ukraine, it’s very clear why they joined NATO.

So you expect Russia just watch as Ukraine joins too? So a nuke can be pointed straight to Moscow in 5 mins? This is just as ludicrous as any nation and shows whose provoking who. I dont see Russia situating launchpads in Cuba or Guatamela.

 

[anonimo]

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I'm not trying to take sides, just trying to be pragmatic, the problem I have with the "West is always right" crowd is that, they assume the West doesn't have any geopolitical interests and will stop at nothing to achieve their objectives.

Overall, the West has committed far more destruction to mankind than any entity circa WWII, sanctioned countries to the brink of starvation, caused millions to flee, committed war crimes with impunity. Whatever the Russian/Chinese are doing/have done, it pales in comparison to what the West has inflicted on mankind.

I will not and have never disputed that the West, mainly the USA, have done their fair share of damage but my argument is about a Rubicon being crossed, an invasion of another country for the main purpose of annexing or partitioning it. All the Dirty Coups, economic pressure to force regime change etc. pale in comparison to what will happen if countries start to settle territorial disputes etc. through the use of force as exemplified by the Russian precedent. This is the meat of my argument in this thread.

 

[TekNiKo]

You didn't get my question bro. Before the current international order, it was a free for all. By your own admission, we are a fractured ethnic group that already have enough willing collaborators among us that it is easy to divide and conquer us. Go back to such a status quo and what will hypothetically stop a stable Ethiopia from annexing part of our coastline as was always the intention of Xabashi imperialists such as Selassie?

You think Somalis can be conquered if left alone? kkkk You have no confidence in your people Xabashis were smashed so hard in 07 wars in Xamar alone forget about all other Somalis

 

[Omar del Sur]

Yes but I find Soviet imperialism worse.

I will always call out imperialism but Russia’s Soviet imperialism is the worst for me.

this is one of the things I find funny with the pro-US side. "THE SOVIETS".

The Soviet Union was an atheist Marxist country out to force Marxism and atheism on the entire world. The US was more on the side of religion and traditional values.

Nowadays, it's the West pushing everything that is the antithesis of religious values and waging a war against religion and traditional values- meanwhile Russia has transformed into a conservative Christian country.

So the positions have flipped. I much prefer the US when it comes to the previous Cold War- the Soviets had taken sides against God and religion. But now it's the US that is the enemy of God and religion.

This is why conservative elements worldwide opposed the Soviets but now sympathize with the Russians.

 

[Periplus]

So you expect Russia just watch as Ukraine joins too? So a nuke can be pointed straight to Moscow in 5 mins? This is just as ludicrous as any nation and shows whose provoking who. I dont see Russia situating launchpads in Cuba or Guatamela.

What do you mean watch??

Ukraine could’ve joined in the 1990s and there was nothing Russia could do about it.

But they were too nice to Russia and even gave up nuclear weapons for them just to be stabbed in the back.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I will not and have never disputed that the West, mainly the USA, have done their fair share of damage but my argument is about a Rubicon being crossed, an invasion of another country for the main purpose of annexing or partitioning it. All the Dirty Coups, economic pressure to force regime change etc. pale in comparison to what will happen if countries start to settle territorial disputes etc. through the use of force as exemplified by the Russian precedent. This is the meat of my argument in this thread.

well... umm... actually, I think this is a positive. there are some lines on the map I want to see changed. and it's a positive if people want the liberation of the Ogaden. I can understand why the Kenyan president wanted to preserve current borders, though.

 

[Periplus]

this is one of the things I find funny with the pro-US side. "THE SOVIETS".

The Soviet Union was an atheist Marxist country out to force Marxism and atheism on the entire world. The US was more on the side of religion and traditional values.

Nowadays, it's the West pushing everything that is the antithesis of religious values and waging a war against religion and traditional values- meanwhile Russia has transformed into a conservative Christian country.

So the positions have flipped. I much prefer the US when it comes to the previous Cold War- the Soviets had taken sides against God and religion. But now it's the US that is the enemy of God and religion.

This is why conservative elements worldwide opposed the Soviets but now sympathize with the Russians.

Go tell that to Imam Bukharis country, in which Russian puppets enforce state atheism on their population.

In fact go to the numerous Muslim countries in Central Asia and tell them how Russia doesn’t force any irreligious on them.

What a joke.