To Ex-Muslims I have a q

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  1. ZakWantsToPlay

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    Bad advise and hypocritical since you wouldn't accuse your own parents and put them in danger over religious disagreements.

    Don't give advise to kids that leads them to experience turmoil in their young life. It is not worth to get your parents and your loved ones into trouble over dress and life choices.

    Kids should work towards their independence and take advantage of the opportunities families provide such as housing, food and education. Later on they can decide what they want to beleive in, or live the life of an animal. That would be their choice as adults.
     
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  2. ZakWantsToPlay

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    Smart choice for a young adult. With that said, you shouldn't bottle up your thoughts out of fear but express them to someone you know is capable of anwering them in someways. There are many somalis who are learned and reasonable. If you happen to meet one, you should share your thoughts and confusions. They may have an answer or an idea that can lead you to enlightenment on/in your subject matter.

    With or without somalis, you have the responsibility to use your brain in life and come to a decision about God.
     
  3. ZakWantsToPlay

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    Major atheistic argument. They want to understand why God, the benevolent and kind, who is generous would let evil happen.

    That is why they ask questions like these. At least the sincere ones.
     
  4. MuMaMe

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    Great answer

    Unfortunately prolonged atheism leads to anger or cuckold behavior
     
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  5. ZakWantsToPlay

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    Which drives most of their attitude. Ignorance and Misplaced anger are major issues with somali atheists online.

    They need to be chill and show us that having no religion leads to happiness and good personality. We instead deal with innuendo, hatred, ignorance and bad behaviour from them.

    Does leaving Islam mean to become an anemy of your own parents and society? some already ticked the yes answer through their behaviour. They are all over twitter making a career out of falsifying about Somalis and their religion.

    Somalis expectedly are negative towards them for these reasons.
     
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  6. Abdi Hanson

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    That will likely not happen as it leads to disastrous results despite the fact I had engaged in religious debates with muslims of different ethnicities but not my own


    You are right there are sincere and negative individuals of all backgrounds
    Which happens to be proportionate % sincere individuals who have misunderstanding with theism itself
    Then there are individuals with limited knowledge of religion resorting to anger and bashing

    Define cuckold behaviour

    If you meant atheist of non white background resorting to conform to the norms of western values then you are absolutely wrong

    Ex muslims are more likely to be discriminated even acid thrown at them due to their ethnic appearance
    Don't let the likes of Ayaan Hirsi fool you , she's used for agendas
    I don't get this though I've seen atheists of Somali background cursing Ethiopia 77 war more nationalistic

    Wether you like it or not exmuslims are still perceived as muslims to the naked eye
    Islamophobia is realistic but are masked under white supremacy with disturbing agendas
     
  7. MuMaMe

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    By cuckold behavior, i mean behaving like a cuck goof.

    Islam when practiced properly with moderation gives you a balanced aura. Atheism gives you a nervous weirdo vibe and being a murtad gives a lacna on the face that even born gallo can sense
     
  8. ZakWantsToPlay

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    Choose who you talk to. You would avoid accusations and misunderstandings that way. Most muslims are passionate about their beliefs. Not many understand how someone born into Islamic family can be doubtful or insult Islam. I used to think the same way 20 years ago. Perhaps my Imaan weakened and because of that I really don't care if someone is Gaal or not. I don't feel the passion to save them but rather lift my shoulders, tilt my head and with my arms open and palms up say in body language "I don't care".
     
  9. Abdi Hanson

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    You were born to this religion ,you perceive anyone who leave negatively , once known that they left you hunt them
    Somalis are obsessed with Ex muslims therefore one can never disclose their religious affiliations to avoid reprisals
    No one's falsifying anything it's a personal choice , you dont have to tolerate their irreligiosity but one must respect their decisions

    "لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ"

    For you is your religion, and for me is my religion
     
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  10. ZakWantsToPlay

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    You are wrong brother. Wrong on the account of somalis being obsessed with somali atheists. This thread belongs to Ikraam. She had another one running the day before. Somalis respond online to the Ikraams and their threads in every somali forum.

    I respectfully disagree with your claim. Average somalis are mostly busy talking about their favourite useless pass-time: Qabiil and Who paid an apple for meher lately somewhere in some mosque


    PS: I am not opposed to this thread or others that will start in the future by atheists. Just pointing out the facts and who mostly engages somalis on Islam.
     
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  11. Abdi Hanson

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    This is why somalis can never move forward , you are acting as if the religion belongs to Somalis
    You're ancestors had accepted Islam in its early days this is why you talk this
    Somalis were a monotheistic practitioners way before
    You are probably those assuming Somali identity and religion are intertwined together

    You are wrong, wether you like it or not
    There are Somali Gaalo
     
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  12. MuMaMe

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    My first ancestors who accepted islam were ennobled by islam

    The fact that we re muslim until this day is because they held on to the covenant of Allah or else we would have been done. The europhiles on the other hand are threatnening to be the sabab for the misleading of their entire generation on the basis of incelnimo wanting to turn up and a richard dawkins video. All oir blessings came because of islam.
    You know these kids are suffering fam. Be real with them.


    For each one there are successive angels before and behind, protecting them by Allah’s command. Indeed, Allah would never change a people’s state ˹of favour˺ until they change their own state ˹of faith˺. And if it is Allah’s Will to torment a people, it can never be averted, nor can they find a protector other than Him.

    -Sura Ar-Ra'd, Ayah 11
     
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  13. Abdi Hanson

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    Lets agree to disagree
    Somalis must have civilised dialogue regardless of tribal or religious affiliations.
    This way people move forward without negative connotation, each individual respectfully highlighting the differences between various groups
    I respect that

    But as I've mentioned earlier there are close minded individuals resorting to promote ignorance and undermining Somalis faith that differ from the majority regardless of the topic here are those who want to tarnish our image , project their hatred because of our differences

    I couldn't care less about negative perceptions, as I speak for myself ,

    Somalis should acknowledge that not all 25 million Somalis share the same views or values as individuals differ from another.
    It's illogical and inconclusive to portray the entire community as treacherous when most are Pan Somalists :)
     
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  14. ZakWantsToPlay

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    There were and will be Somali Gaalo always. Allah did not guarantee faith to every human being much less than to somalis in particular. Someone can be born into Islam and leave it at some point later in their adult life whilst others whose culture and background are not Islam will accept Islam as the truth. Happens all the time.

    Allah pointed out this fact in the Quran that not all human beings will accept faith in him. Majority would reject out of their freewill whilst everything else has submitted to Allah's will like the angels, animals and trees without feeling the need to object.

    It is humans and the Jinni who can exercise, and choose to exercise the freewill to deny God and be disobedient to him. The rest of objects whether they can talk or not submitt to him and to his will.

    A muslim(somali) should know this from Islam and accept a somali can be a nonmuslim.
     
  15. Abdi Hanson

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    There are no misleading occurring and most certainly Europhiles are not the reason why,
    And no influences have a role on this particular case
    It depends on the circumstances why they leave not all have the same reasonings and answers

    Incel is an non existent entity with Somalis in general and even sound baffling
    It's doesn't make sense to leave Islam because you're socially awkward hate women
    Look at the logic behind this

    According to this you perceive them as weirdos because they do not believe in the Shahadah anymore
    Stopped doing all the obligatory fulfillment of the Five pillars of Islam and six pillars of Iman


    No not this again Darwin Theory makes no sense at all
    Not all of us have to believe in evolution
     
  16. Ayubi

    Ayubi Pan-islamist

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    Can I ask, Are you Muslim? Just curious.
     
  17. ZakWantsToPlay

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    Yes, We ought to judge them individually. So far, and on the account of my dealings with many of them online before, some were reasonable and others very negative. Personally, I have no issues with anyone be they somali or not by virtue of them being a non-muslim. I do have issues when these individuals:

    - Try to paint themselves as intellectuals and Somalis as idiots simply because Somalis are muslims
    - Quote unfounded and unsubstantiated material about islam meant to convey an alleged islamic problem


    An atheist or not, arguments based on evidence ought to be a requirement for debates and discussions. We should all practice the same standards muslim or not.
     
  18. ikraan

    ikraan Ana muslim sax amin laakin islam ha igu sheegin

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    Sorry I've had lectures, 12-hour shifts and travelling so I haven't cheked this site.

    I'm agnostic so I don't have answers to most things.

    I love the idea of rapists, murderers, and evil people receive consequences after death but in Islam, it isn't only evil people who killed millions who are gonna be punished and go to hell but also my neighbour who works as a teacher for disabled kids, and basically ur average person non-muslim who isn't a bad person, I don't like the idea of them being punished.
     
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  19. Mfalme Bingwa Scrotum

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    You guys have a problem.

    This abroad thing forked your minds up
     
  20. Mfalme Bingwa Scrotum

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    You guys are nuts.. anyone leaving Islam is nuts and worse

    Abroad thing doesn’t work for Somalis

    Forks us up
     
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