No need to resort to insults she just made a mistake
Protests In Iran after Woman is Beat To Death by police for Improper Hijab.
- Thread starter Qeelbax
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Source https://muslimvillage.com/2016/04/29/118197/disagreement-ali-muawiya/
"2) Both parties were fighting for the sake of religion and for what they believed to be right. Nevertheless, it is the belief of the Ahl as-Sunnah that Mu’āwiyah (Allah be pleased with him) erred in his decision and ‘Alī (Allah be pleased with him) was on the true path of justice. This does not mean that Mu’āwiyah (Allah be pleased with him) was sinful; it only means that he erred in his decision but was excused because it was for the sake of what he believed was right at that time. [17] This does not discredit his status as a Sahābī in any way; rather, it shows us that when discord occurs there is always one side that’s on the true path leaving scope for the other side as well. We must show gratitude to both Mu’āwiyah and ‘Alī (Allah be pleased with them both) for their sacrifices and their efforts in the path of religion."
That statement validates my earlier statement. Now, show me the proof that the Shia Ja'fari Shia are outside of the fold of Islam. Show me the consensus from the Sunni scholarship that supports your claims. Fyi, I won't be accepting any of the literalists claim. I need a consensus from all 4 madhabs.
Hamzza
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Ok.
You first need to understand that Jafari is a fiqh madhab for Shia, like Hanafi is fiqi madhab for the Sunnis. Those Shia who follow the Jafari madhab are the worst of the worst they are Twelvers and Ismails.
Here are the Opinions of the Scholars of Deen:
1) Imam Ash-Shafi’i:
On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia, “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia.” and on another occasion he said; “Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion.”
(Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
2) Imam Abu Haneefah:
It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; “Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief.”
3) Imam Malik
:Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; “Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars.” During one of Imam Malik’s classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.” (48:29) He then said, “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi).
4) Imam Bukhari
"I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.”
(Khalq Af’aalul-’Ibaad, p.14)
Ok.
You first need to understand that Jafari is a fiqh madhab for Shia, like Hanafi is fiqi madhab for the Sunnis. Those Shia who follow the Jafari madhab are the worst of the worst they are Twelvers and Ismails.
Here are the Opinions of the Scholars of Deen:
1) Imam Ash-Shafi’i:
On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia, “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia.” and on another occasion he said; “Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion.”
(Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
2) Imam Abu Haneefah:
It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; “Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief.”
3) Imam Malik
:Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; “Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars.” During one of Imam Malik’s classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.” (48:29) He then said, “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi).
4) Imam Bukhari
"I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.”
(Khalq Af’aalul-’Ibaad, p.14)
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Hamzza
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Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal
Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal
وجاء في كتاب السنة للإمام أحمد قوله عن الرافضة : ( هم الذين يتبرأون من أصحاب محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ويسبونهم وينتقصونهم ويكفرون الأئمة إلا أربعة : علي وعمار والمقداد وسلمان وليست الرافضة من الإسلام في شيء ) . السنة للإمام أحمد ص 82
Ibn Taymiyyah
وقال شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية : (( وأما من جاوز ذلك إلى أن زعم أنهم ارتدوا بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إلا نفرا قليلا لا يبلغون بضعة عشر نفسا ، أو أنهم فسقوا عامتهم ، فهذا لا ريب أيضا في كفره ، لأنه مكذب لما نص القرآن في غير موضع ، من الرضا عنهم والثناء عليهم ، بل من يشك في كفر مثل هذا فإن كفره متعين . . - إلى ان قال - وكفر هذا مما يعلم بالاضطرار من دين الإسلام ) . ( الصارم المسلول 586- 587 ) .
@Hamzza @Roorigeg
الإمام مالك
روى الخلال عن أبي بكر المروذي قال : سمعت أبا عبدالله يقول ، قال مالك : الذي يشتم أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ليس لهم اسم أو قال : نصيب في الإسلام . السنة للخلال ( 2 / 557 ) .
وقال ابن كثير عند قوله سبحانه وتعالى : ( محمد رسول الله والذين معه أشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم تراهم ركعاً سجداً يبتغون فضلاً من الله ورضواناً سيماهم في وجوههم من أثر السجود ذلك مثلهم في التوراة ومثلهم في الإنجيل كزرع أخرج شطئه فآزره فاستغلظ فاستوى على سوقه يعجب الزراع ليغيظ بهم الكفار .. ) قال : ( ومن هذه الآية انتزع الإمام مالك رحمة الله عليه في رواية عنه بتكفير الروافض الذين يبغضون الصحابة رضي الله عنهم قال : لأنهم يغيظونهم ومن غاظ الصحابة رضي الله عنهم فهو كافر لهذه الآية ووافقه طائفة من العلماء رضي الله عنهم على ذلك ) . تفسير ابن كثير ( 4 / 219 )
قال القرطبي : ( لقد أحسن مالك في مقالته وأصاب في تأويله فمن نقص واحداً منهم أو طعن عليه في روايته فقد رد على الله رب العالمين وأبطل شرائع المسلمين ) .تفسير القرطبي ( 16 / 2
97 ) .
البخاري
قال رحمه الله : ( ما أبالي صليت خلف الجهمي والرافضي ، أم صليت خلف اليهود والنصارى ولا يسلم عليهم ولا يعادون ولا يناكحون ولا يشهدون ولا تؤكل ذبائحهم ) . خلق أفعال العباد ص 125 .
الشافعي
قال : ( ليس لرافضي شفعة إلا لمسلم ) .
و قال الشافعي: (لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة!)
الخطيب في الكفاية و السوطي.
عبد الرحمن بن مهدي
: قال البخاري : قال عبد الرحمن بن مهدي : هما ملتان الجهمية والرافضية . خلق أفعال العباد ص 125 .
ابن حزم الظاهري
قال : ( وأما قولهم ( يعني النصارى ) في دعوى الروافض تبديل القرآن فإن الروافض ليسوا من المسلمين ، إنما هي فرقة حدث أولها بعد موت رسو الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بخمس وعشرين سنة .. وهي طائفة تجري مجرى اليهود والنصارى في الكذب والكفر ) . الفصل في الملل والنحل ( 2 / 213 ) . وقال : ( ولا خلاف بين أحد من الفرق المنتمية إلى المسلمين من أهل السنة ، والمعتزلة والخوارج والمرجئة والزيدية في وجوب الأخذ بما في القرآن وأنه المتلو عندنا .. وإنما خالف في ذلك قوم من غلاة الروافض وهم كفار بذلك مشركون عند جميع أهل الإسلام وليس كلامنا مع هؤلاء وإنما كلامنا مع أهل ملتنا ) . الإحكام لإبن حزم ( 1 / 96 ) .
Yes absolutely than why I told him he don't understand shia religion.
Head Office of al-Azhar University:
In the name of Allah, the Benefient, the Merciful
Text of the Verdict (Fatwa) Issued by His Excellency Shaikh al-Akbar Mahmood Shaltoot, Head of the al-Azhar University, on Permissibility of Following "al-Shi’a al- Imamiyyah”School of Thought
His Excellency was asked:
Some believe that, for a Muslim to have religiously correct worship and dealing, it is necessary to follow one of the four known schools of thought, whereas, "al-Shi’a al-Imamiyyah”school of thought is not one of them nor "al-Shi’a al-Zaidiyyah.”Do your Excellency agree with this opinion, and prohibit following "al-Shi’a al-Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah”school of thought, for example?
His Excellency replied:
1) Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular Madh’hab (school of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such Madhahib (schools of thought) can transfer to another school, and there shall be no crime on him for doing so.
2) The Ja’fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shi’a al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah”(i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi’ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought.
Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari’ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid”to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu’amilaat).
Signed,
Mahmood Shaltoot.
In the name of Allah, the Benefient, the Merciful
Text of the Verdict (Fatwa) Issued by His Excellency Shaikh al-Akbar Mahmood Shaltoot, Head of the al-Azhar University, on Permissibility of Following "al-Shi’a al- Imamiyyah”School of Thought
His Excellency was asked:
Some believe that, for a Muslim to have religiously correct worship and dealing, it is necessary to follow one of the four known schools of thought, whereas, "al-Shi’a al-Imamiyyah”school of thought is not one of them nor "al-Shi’a al-Zaidiyyah.”Do your Excellency agree with this opinion, and prohibit following "al-Shi’a al-Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah”school of thought, for example?
His Excellency replied:
1) Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular Madh’hab (school of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such Madhahib (schools of thought) can transfer to another school, and there shall be no crime on him for doing so.
2) The Ja’fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shi’a al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah”(i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi’ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought.
Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari’ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid”to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu’amilaat).
Signed,
Mahmood Shaltoot.
Azhar
bro they are a joke.They are the same ones who said you must do wadu' before touching the bible.
Tuesday, April 19, 2022 04:09 PM
The Grand Imam, Dr. Ahmed Al-Tayeb, Sheikh of Al-Azhar Al-Sharif, confirmed in renewed statements in conjunction with his congratulations to Pope Tawadros and the Christians on the Day of Resurrection, published by the Voice of Al-Azhar newspaper, that it is not permissible for a Muslim to touch the Torah and the Bible without purity.
The Grand Imam, Dr. Ahmed Al-Tayeb, Sheikh of Al-Azhar Al-Sharif, confirmed in renewed statements in conjunction with his congratulations to Pope Tawadros and the Christians on the Day of Resurrection, published by the Voice of Al-Azhar newspaper, that it is not permissible for a Muslim to touch the Torah and the Bible without purity.
Azhar
They are the same ones who said you must do wadu' before touching the bible.
They're the oldest and the most prestigious Sunni theological school that exists today. And unlike you literalists who pass on takfeer like the water you think, they follow the clear religious guidance on when to declare someone or a group to be apostates.
What happened to that girl who was killed was tragic, she did not deserve to be killed. I have no sympathy with the Anti-Sunni regime of Iran but after seeing many videos online of Islamophobic feminists and heretics protesting by removing their Hijabs or burning the Hijab (which is an insult against Islam), I hope the Iranian regime cracks down on these feminist heretics even more and shows them no mercy. They’re disturbing the peace and trying to spread their heresy.
uff iranians, they are stifling women and it turns into this. Imagine being killed over some of your hair showing.
Now men and women alike are protesting and women are throwing their “hijabs” off. It’s the 21st century and this heathen shias can’t get a grip. Ayatollah, warya there is no such a thing as ordained. Fix up or find out.
Furthermore, in Islam the Muslim ruler has every right to implement the Hijab as an official law and as Muslims, we are commanded to obey our ruler in that which is good so Iran isn’t unethical for forcing woman to wear the Hijab. Let us not be deceived by feminist/western propaganda that forcing your woman to wear the Hijab is “oppression” because I can assure you, these same countries are hypocrites and would not allow their woman to walk around with their private parts showing and in many “liberal” European states (such as France for example), the Niqab (face veil) is banned and the Hijab is banned in certain places and heavily restricted.
Men beating women up for not wearing hijab is ethical to you?
So we are breaking islamic rights to abuse the hell out of an islamic rule?
I’m not talking about a normal woman who shows a piece of hair and is not bothering anyone (we have plenty of those in Muslim countries). I’m talking about the woman protesting and rebelling against their rulers by removing and burning their Hijabs. That’s definitely an insult against Islam and hopefully the Iranian regime shows them no mercy.Men beating women up for not wearing hijab is ethical to you?
So we are breaking islamic rights to abuse the hell out of an islamic rule?
Men beating women up for not wearing hijab is ethical to you?
So we are breaking islamic rights to abuse the hell out of an islamic rule?
You don't get the gist of brother @Abu Ash’ari's comment. There is a campaign launched by Islamophobic feminists and heretics who all opposed to wearing the hejab. This is not about getting oppressed; this is about some women, a small minority in Iran, who oppose the Muslim women in Iran wearing the hijab. Therefore, the Iranian authority must be resolute in dealing with them.
Well if they weren’t doing it before the killing and did it after, then what? Regardless, none of that is worth a death penalty, especially in place like Iran that picks and chooses what part of the deen to enforce.
@Qeelbax
This brother explained my thoughts better than I did. If you look at the bigger picture, it’s not about woman’s rights as these Islamophobic feminists, heretics and politicians claim. There’s a active campaign against the Hijab and anything Islamic so Muslim woman should not allow themselves to be useful pawns playing into the hands of these devils. Also there’s political interests at play here since many Western politicians want to instigate people to protest against their rulers under the pretext of “democracy”, “human rights” etc and feminism/Anti Hijab protests in Iran are an extension of American/Western neo-colonial policies.
Always look at the bigger picture and stay safe. Always look out for wolfs in sheep’s clothing!
Men beating women up for not wearing hijab is ethical to you?
So we are breaking islamic rights to abuse the hell out of an islamic rule?
You're running with fake news.
You can’t be this slow?You're running with fake news.
She was attacked and fell into a coma after. This is the video after the attack. Her ears were bleeding and she had trauma to the head
Hamzza
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Azhar is MusqulAzhar
They are the same ones who said you must do wadu' before touching the bible.
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