Protests In Iran after Woman is Beat To Death by police for Improper Hijab.

[AbrahamFreedom]

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[Sajid]

That is the Saudi Arabia indoctrination talking for you. Shia beliefs are wrong, but they are muslims, your saudi wahhabis are allying with israel against them. Iran is the only Muslim nation that is standing up to western imperialism and for Palestine.

Are you idiot they are helping Palestine to spread shiasm.

And Hamas pay for every weapons they get from Iran.


Btw tell me when did shia helped Islam.

All there wars where on Muslims


We didn't hear a shia general spreading Islam and expanding to Europe or Asia


We saw shia Ally with crusaders and giving them Jerusalem

We saw shia betraying Baghdad to mongols

We saw shia invading mecca and stealing the black stone

We saw shia backstabbing the ottomans

We saw shia trying to assassinate Salahdin

We saw shia betraying Ali Ra

We saw shia killing Hassan and hussien Ra.

Even in modern era we saw shia betraying there country and join the coalition forces.

 

[Hamzza]

Shia beliefs are wrong, but they are muslims, your saudi wahhabis are allying with israel against them.

Not everyone who claims to be a Muslim can be accepted as such. If a person claims to be a Muslim, his claim should be verified. The one who worships Allaah alone and believes in His Messenger, and pursues that which he brought, is a real Muslim.

Surely those Shiites who insult Sahaba and the wives of the prophet day and night are not Muslim.

 

[Man with a garuun]

@Roorigeg and @Angelina who's the Nigerian and who's MARRIED to the Nigerian
i'm confused.

I am a Somali bro.

 

[Man with a garuun]

The Shiites believe that God sent Gabriel with the revelation to Ali, peace be upon him, but Gabriel made a mistake and the revelation was sent down to Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace.

Shiite sheikhs believe that the Noble Qur’an is incomplete, and that the true Qur’an ascended to heaven when the Companions, may God be pleased with them, apostatised

Shiite sheikhs say that the pilgrimage to the graves of the imams is more important to them than the pilgrimage to the Kaaba

Shiite sheikhs say that Ali revives the dead

Which Shia are we talking about? For instance,the Zaydi Shia Muslims in Yemen actually agree Sunni Muslims, particularly Hanafi madhab, on fighi issues. So you need to be specific which Shia you're talking about, plus does reputable Muslim scholarship agree with your claims?

One of the main reasons that triggered the war between Afghan Taliban and IS-Khorasan is how each group views the Ja'fari Shias. The Afghan Taliban's Islamic scholars who follow the Hanafi madhab view the Ja'fari Shia in their country as Muslims, while IS-Khorasan who are "Salafists" and follow the Sheikh Mohamed Abdul-Wahab teachings see them as apostates. So when IS-Khorasan attacked the minority Shia Hazara, the Afghan Taliban came to the defense of the Shia.

Bottom line takfeering Shia has different classifications, and the consensus amongst Islamic scholarship is both Zaydi and Ja'fari are within the fold of Islam.

 

[Shimbiris]

my whole fam including my partner are Somali

Allah! Finally married?! Mashallah! Mabrook!

*Somali men everywhere weep at the loss*

 

[Sajid]

Which Shia are we talking about? For instance,the Zaydi Shia Muslims in Yemen actually agree Sunni Muslims, particularly Hanafi madhab, on fighi issues. So you need to be specific which Shia you're talking about, plus does reputable Muslim scholarship agree with your claims?

One of the main reasons that triggered the war between Afghan Taliban and IS-Khorasan is how each group views the Ja'fari Shias. The Afghan Taliban's Islamic scholars who follow the Hanafi madhab view the Ja'fari Shia in their country as Muslims, while IS-Khorasan who are "Salafists" and follow the Sheikh Mohamed Abdul-Wahab teachings see them as apostates. So when IS-Khorasan attacked the minority Shia Hazara, the Afghan Taliban came to the defense of the Shia.

Bottom line takfeering Shia has different classifications, and the consensus amongst Islamic scholarship is both Zaydi and Ja'fari are within the fold of Islam.

Do you even know who are the jafarism?

They are kuffar because they takfir the sahaba

 

[Peache]

People like me?
I said you either believe that it is okay to kill someone for not wearing hijab or you don’t.

Simply saying, hey I think the story is fake is enough. But instead your first post made it seem like they were justified in attacking a young woman for not wearing hijab properly.

I don’t care for Shia leadership. They too don’t care for your praise nor your deen.

It does seem like he’s justifying it. Some muslims mens hatred for womens hair is really disturbing. We’ve been asking him that over and over if it’s justified and he pretty much is answering he does.

Whats interesting is that he keeps saying the western media has us brainwashed to think this is ok ……

Sir do you not see how the people in Iran are protesting and against this ?????? So will he argue that western media is affecting them as well ?

 

[Man with a garuun]

Do you even know who are the jafarism?

They are kuffar because they takfir the sahaba

I saw the ignorant ones doing it, especially extreme ones, but I also saw others condemning it. Even the current Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khomeini condemned it and called for all those who do it to stop it.

Fyi, they don't condemn all sahaba; only Umm Aisha (ra), Mu'awaiyah, and his son Yazid. I can't stand with the ones who attack Umm Aisha (ra), but they don't do it in front us; they do it when they're amongst themselves or when they're behind a computer.

Nevertheless, Ali Bin Abu Talib (ra) and his 2 sons (ra) had suffered a huge injustice. So when these extreme Shia attack some of the companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and 2 of his wives (Umm Aisha (ra) and Um Hafsa (ra)), they mostly hide behind what happened in that conflict.

That being said, I don't follow the kind of takfirism that you follow and I don't apply broad brush to all Shia Muslims; I take my stand against those who attack the family of the Prophet (sacw) and his companions. It should be understood one fact though: There is no Islamic scholarly consensus that supports the takfiirism that you're applying to all Shia.

 

[Hamzza]

Which Shia are we talking about? For instance,the Zaydi Shia Muslims in Yemen actually agree Sunni Muslims, particularly Hanafi madhab, on fighi issues. So you need to be specific which Shia you're talking about, plus does reputable Muslim scholarship agree with your claims?

One of the main reasons that triggered the war between Afghan Taliban and IS-Khorasan is how each group views the Ja'fari Shias. The Afghan Taliban's Islamic scholars who follow the Hanafi madhab view the Ja'fari Shia in their country as Muslims, while IS-Khorasan who are "Salafists" and follow the Sheikh Mohamed Abdul-Wahab teachings see them as apostates. So when IS-Khorasan attacked the minority Shia Hazara, the Afghan Taliban came to the defense of the Shia.

Bottom line takfeering Shia has different classifications, and the consensus amongst Islamic scholarship is both Zaydi and Ja'fari are within the fold of Islam.

You are out of your place sxb. Why are you making excuses for the Shia Rafida may Allah curse them? Is it permissible to insult mu'awiya RA? What injustices did Ali and his sons RA suffer? Are you Shia our Madow loving brother?

 

[Man with a garuun]

You are out of your place sxb. Why are you making excuses for the Shia Rafida may Allah curse them? Is it permissible to insult mu'awiya RA? What injustices did Ali and his sons RA suffer? Are you Shia our Madow loving brother?

Dumbo, did I ever condone what they do against Umm Aisha (ra) and other sahaba? Takfeer scum like you have no understanding of the events that occurred that led to the killing of Khalif Ali Binu Talib (ra) and his son Hussein Bin Ali (ra). And even in that tragedy, the consensus amongst Sunni scholars is that that was a civil war and we stay neutral passing judgements. Allah (swt) will deal with those who errorred in their judgements, and we stay neutral in getting into the details of that civil war.

But if you hate Shia that much, go and face them in the battle fields. Takfeer scum like you only knows how to blow up innocent mothers and children, where overwhelming majority of your victims are Ahlul-Sunnah. You're all nothing but brainless fools used by enemies of Islam in order to uproot Muslims, particularly Ahlul-Sunnah, from their ancestral homeland. Look at what you did to Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, and Libya. You're a tool used by enemies of Islam when they want to divide the Ahlul-Sunnah and create division. Stop quoting me, you scum.

 

[Hamzza]

Dumbo, did I ever condone what they do against Umm Aisha (ra) and other sahaba? Takfeer scum like you have no understanding of the events that occurred that led to the killing of Khalif Ali Binu Talib (ra) and his son Hussein Bin Ali (ra). And even in that tragedy, the consensus amongst Sunni scholars is that that was a civil war and we stay neutral passing judgements. Allah (swt) will deal with those who errorred in their judgements, and we stay neutral in getting into the details of that civil war.

But if you hate Shia that much, go and face them in the battle fields. Takfeer scum like you only knows how to blow up innocent mothers and children, where overwhelming majority of your victims are Ahlul-Sunnah. You're all nothing but brainless fools used by enemies of Islam in order to uproot Muslims, particularly Ahlul-Sunnah, from their ancestral homeland. Look at what you did to Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, and Libya. You're a tool used by enemies of Islam when they want to divide the Ahlul-Sunnah and create division. Stop quoting me, you scum.

You made it clear you're Shia when you said Sayiduna Ali RA suffered injustice. That is the position of the Shia. You are implying Abubakar and Umar RA conspired against Ali.

You also said Shia insult and curse only Mu'awiya RA like it's not a big thing. Shias not only curse and insult Mu'awiya but they also curse and insult Umar, Othman and Abubakar. They also celebrate the Assassination of Umar RA at the hands of Abu lu'lu'a.

 

[Man with a garuun]

You made it clear you're Shia when you said Sayiduna Ali RA suffered injustice. That is the position of the Shia. You are implying Abubakar and Umar RA conspired against Ali.

Khalif Umar (ra) and Khalif Abubakar (ra) were not part of the civil war that got Khalif Ali Bin Abu talib (ra) killed and eventually his son Hussein Bin Ali (ra). Whatever disagreement they had after the death of the Prophet (sacw), they reconciled and Ali Bin Abu Talib was their closest adviser.

And yes Khalif Ali Bin Abu Talib suffered injustice after the death of Khalif Osman (ra). Go read history and what transpired after Khalif Ali (ra) assumed leadership.

You also said Shia insult and curse only Mu'awiya RA like it's not a big thing. Shias not only curse and insult Mu'awiya but they also curse and insult Umar, Othman and Abubakar.

Where did I say some Shia cursing Muawiah (ra) is not wrong? I told you the consensus amongst the Ahlul-Sunnah scholars is we stay neutral in that conflict.

We should understand that Muawiah (ra) errored in judgement when he demanded that Ali (ra) arrest the assassins of Khalif Osman (ra). And when Ali (ra) - even though he agreed to arrest them - opted for a later date, Muawiyah (ra) opted for his own plan of action even if Ali (ra) didn't agree with him. His lack of pledging allegiance to Khalif Ali (ra) led to the Battle of Siffin. This is where I disagree with Muawiah (ra). But since he was a companion of the Prophet (sacw), I can go beyond that, and Allah (swt) will be the judge on that event and what transpired later on.

They also celebrate the Assassination of Umar RA at the hands of Abu lu'lu'a.

I heard these stories. I have never seen the Shia in the Arabian Pensinsula, rest of the Gulf, or in greater Shaam celebrating it. It is reported to be done in Iran. No doubt sectarianism is very big with the Shia in Iran and Iraq. However, the discussion has been are they outside of Islam? And I was telling you there is no Islamic scholarship who supports that narrative.

Do some of the Shia have exaggerations and falsehoods they use against Umm Aisha (ra), Umm Hafsa (ra), Khalif Umar (ra), Khalif Abubakar (ra), and Khalif Osman (ra),? Yes, absolutely. Are they wrong on those claims? yes, absolutely.

However, when you add all of those, it doesn't take them out of the fold of Islam. That has been the position of Ahlul-Sunna scholarship. Now instead of running with your dumb takfeer nonsense that you all run with where you're calling for everyone who doesn't fall for your narrative as "apostates", go and proof this takfeer that you're running with.

You're all heedless Al-Saluul and Al-Nahyaan front men who use all of you takfeers to advance the agenda of the enemies of Islam, and yet have the audacity to call others "apostates". You massacre innocent Ahlul-Sunnah men, women, and children, and consider them as collateral damage. The mentality that you have is the same one followed by Al-Shabaab, Al-Qaeda, and other headless head choppers. All of your victims are overwhelmingly Ahlul-Sunna innocent men, women, and children. You're no guardians of Ahlul-Sunna, but controlled group, created within Islam in order to advance the agenda of the enemies of Islam.

 

[Hamzza]

Khalif Umar (ra) and Khalif Abubakar (ra) were not part of the civil war that got Khalif Ali Bin Abu talib (ra) killed and eventually his son Hussein Bin Ali (ra). Whatever disagreement they had after the death of the Prophet (sacw), they reconciled and Ali Bin Abu Talib was their closest adviser.

And yes Khalif Ali Bin Abu

What injustices did Ali RA suffer other than his assassination at the hands of Khawarij. Both Umar and Othman RA were assassinated.

All the Scholars of Ahluh Sunnah anonymously agreed that Shia are not Muslims.
If you don't takfeer on Shia Rafida, there is a doubt in your Iman.

 

[Sajid]

Khalif Umar (ra) and Khalif Abubakar (ra) were not part of the civil war that got Khalif Ali Bin Abu talib (ra) killed and eventually his son Hussein Bin Ali (ra). Whatever disagreement they had after the death of the Prophet (sacw), they reconciled and Ali Bin Abu Talib was their closest adviser.

And yes Khalif Ali Bin Abu Talib suffered injustice after the death of Khalif Osman (ra). Go read history and what transpired after Khalif Ali (ra) assumed leadership.





Where did I say some Shia cursing Muawiah (ra) is not wrong? I told you the consensus amongst the Ahlul-Sunnah scholars is we stay neutral in that conflict.

We should understand that Muawiah (ra) errored in judgement when he demanded that Ali (ra) arrest the assassins of Khalif Osman (ra). And when Ali (ra) - even though he agreed to arrest them - opted for a later date, Muawiyah (ra) opted for his own plan of action even if Ali (ra) didn't agree with him. His lack of pledging allegiance to Khalif Ali (ra) led to the Battle of Siffin. This is where I disagree with Muawiah (ra). But since he was a companion of the Prophet (sacw), I can go beyond that, and Allah (swt) will be the judge on that event and what transpired later on.



I heard these stories. I have never seen the Shia in the Arabian Pensinsula, rest of the Gulf, or in greater Shaam celebrating it. It is reported to be done in Iran. No doubt sectarianism is very big with the Shia in Iran and Iraq. However, the discussion has been are they outside of Islam? And I was telling you there is no Islamic scholarship who supports that narrative.

Do some of the Shia have exaggerations and falsehoods they use against Umm Aisha (ra), Umm Hafsa (ra), Khalif Umar (ra), Khalif Abubakar (ra), and Khalif Osman (ra),? Yes, absolutely. Are they wrong on those claims? yes, absolutely.

However, when you add all of those, it doesn't take them out of the fold of Islam. That has been the position of Ahlul-Sunna scholarship. Now instead of running with your dumb takfeer nonsense that you all run with where you're calling for everyone who doesn't fall for your narrative as "apostates", go and proof this takfeer that you're running with.

You're all heedless Al-Saluul and Al-Nahyaan front men who use all of you takfeers to advance the agenda of the enemies of Islam, and yet have the audacity to call others "apostates". You massacre innocent Ahlul-Sunnah men, women, and children, and consider them as collateral damage. The mentality that you have is the same one followed by Al-Shabaab, Al-Qaeda, and other headless head choppers. All of your victims are overwhelmingly Ahlul-Sunna innocent men, women, and children. You're no guardians of Ahlul-Sunna, but controlled group, created within Islam in order to advance the agenda of the enemies of Islam.

Are you MBH

 

[Hamzza]

Are you MBH

He said this

I told you the consensus amongst the Ahlul-Sunnah scholars is we stay neutral in that conflict.

And then he clearly took the side of the Rafida in the first Islamic Fitna

We should understand that Muawiah (ra) errored in judgement when he demanded that Ali (ra) arrest the assassins of Khalif Osman (ra)

Is he Ahlu Sunnah marka?

 

[Angelina]

@Roorigeg and @Angelina who's the Nigerian and who's MARRIED to the Nigerian
i'm confused.

He said this

And then he clearly took the side of the Rafida in the first Islamic Fitna

Is he Ahlu Sunnah marka?

Are you okay? I don’t get along with @Roorigeg but in that particular statement that is a view you find amongst the Ahlu Sunnah. Seriously, we have too many ignorant youngsters jumping to conclusions l.

 

[Sajid]

He said this

And then he clearly took the side of the Rafida in the first Islamic Fitna

Is he Ahlu Sunnah marka?

I don't think he understands the sunni shia conflict in first place and see it as political not a religious one

 

[Hamzza]

Are you okay? I don’t get along with @Roorigeg but in that particular statement that is a view you find amongst the Ahlu Sunnah. Seriously, we have too many ignorant youngsters jumping to conclusions l.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo just no, old woman, Ahlu Sunnah are neutral they don't take sides in the first Islamic civil war.

Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about ‘Ali and ‘Mu'awiya, and the battles of the Camel and Siffeen, and what happened among them. He said: That is blood that Allah caused me to have no hand in shedding, and I do not want to dip my tongue in it (by talking about it).

A man asked Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal about what happened between ‘Ali and Mu‘aawiyah, and he turned away from him. It was said to him: O Abu ‘Abdullah, he is a man from Banu Haashim. He turned to him and said: Recite: “That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do” [al-Baqarah]

 

[Angelina]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo just no, old woman, Ahlu Sunnah are neutral they don't take sides in the first Islamic civil war.

Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about ‘Ali and ‘Mu'awiya, and the battles of the Camel and Siffeen, and what happened among them. He said: That is blood that Allah caused me to have no hand in shedding, and I do not want to dip my tongue in it (by talking about it).

A man asked Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal about what happened between ‘Ali and Mu‘aawiyah, and he turned away from him. It was said to him: O Abu ‘Abdullah, he is a man from Banu Haashim. He turned to him and said: Recite: “That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do” [al-Baqarah]

Bleaaase never mind me. I’m not okay, how am I getting Muawiyya and his son Yazid confused. Bisinka

Yeah continue dragging roori