ICJ rejected Kenya's request to delay the maritime dispute hearing

[Ismail99]

Not really. Farmaajo is not supporting ethiopia to take any of our land and sea. Didnt you listen to abiy? Farmaajo straight up told him i hate ethiopia because they keep interfering in our internal affairs. Abiy promised that this new regime will never do that. When ethiopia has their public media claim they own our sea and land, when ethiopia pm publicly says we will install a president after farmaajo that will give us the case, and when ethiopia has a court case at the icj with somalia then we will talk.

Why is it a sin to have good relations with ethiopia so they dont fund instability in somalia and they dont interfere in our internal affairs? The two cant be compared, ethiopia isnt claiming anything and isnt desperately funding militia to take our land. In fact, somalis in ethiopia welcomes the new stability since jail ogaden is closed and somalis arent getting murdered in the 1000s. Even onlf is no longer fighting.
I support having good relations with kenya but i dont support letting them get away with pure trangressions. If tomorrow a nrw president of kenya comes and says we will no longer try to get somali sea and land. We can have good relations but not when they want to ruin future generations wealth and somalias future. Get it?

Since 1990s Gedo has been under Ethiopian occupation and you're asking why we can't have good relations with Ethiopia.

 

[OneTouch]

We all know what they will do:

Get the case delayed and bribe everyone they can to try and get them to withdraw the case in favor of negotiation

Then bribe the guys Somalia sends to the negotiations

 

[convincation]

Last time somalia was a stable country a MX was president

 

[Waaqmasho]

Since 1990s Gedo has been under Ethiopian occupation and you're asking why we can't have good relations with Ethiopia.

The moment they claim gedo or try to build a wall there tag me.

 

[reer]

The moment they claim gedo or try to build a wall there tag me.

somalia and ethiopia cant have proper relations we might aswell be like pakistan and india.
ethiopia has had western backing for generations. a strong somali nation is against both their interests like it or not.
anything happens between somalia and ethiopia who will have western backing.
anything happens between somalia and ethiopia which other (relevant to us) sub saharan countries will stand by us? very few. eritrea and sudan. the rest ka tasho.

@Ferrari is 100% right to be more hostile towards addis ababa. our beef with kenyans pretty much is this decade but abyssinia is longer.

 

[Ferrari]

somalia and ethiopia cant have proper relations we might aswell be like pakistan and india.
ethiopia has had western backing for generations. a strong somali nation is against both their interests like it or not.
anything happens between somalia and ethiopia who will have western backing.
anything happens between somalia and ethiopia which other (relevant to us) sub saharan countries will stand by us? very few. eritrea and sudan. the rest ka tasho.

@Ferrari is 100% right to be more hostile towards addis ababa. our beef with kenyans pretty much is this decade but abyssinia is longer.

Kenya is weaker too, militarily. SNA today can take over Nairobi if the west don't stop it.
Somalia should aspire to be like turkey, a lone libaax surrounded by enemy everywhere but still triumphs.

What's standing in the way of Somalia's development is AS and lack of security. The sooner that's fixed, the sooner the government can take more control over the country, meaning more tax revenue(more spending on military)as well as a lift on arms embargo. Once those two things are done, we can slowly rebuild, and ask countries like turkey to actually train us on how to manufacture weapons ourselves. Somalia needs security to prosper. All this ciil and hatred for Ethiopia and Kenya should wait until we are very strong(having allies in the international stage) to karbaash both of them, because in a straight up war with no one helping them, wallahi we can take on both of them, even today let alone if we are stronger, but they'll always win because they have the backing of the big boys.

we need friends, and we can't trust the U.S or russia, and forget china.

 

[reer]

Kenya is weaker too, militarily. SNA today can take over Nairobi if the west don't stop it.
Somalia should aspire to be like turkey, a lone libaax surrounded by enemy everywhere but still triumphs.

What's standing in the way of Somalia's development is AS and lack of security. The sooner that's fixed, the sooner the government can take more control over the country, meaning more tax revenue(more spending on military)as well as a lift on arms embargo. Once those two things are done, we can slowly rebuild, and ask countries like turkey to actually train us on how to manufacture weapons ourselves. Somalia needs security to prosper. All this ciil and hatred for Ethiopia and Kenya should wait until we are very strong(having allies in the international stage) to karbaash both of them, because in a straight up war with no one helping them, wallahi we can take on both of them, even today let alone if we are stronger, but they'll always win because they have the backing of the big boys.

we need friends, and we can't trust the U.S or russia, and forget china.

eritrea
sudan
egypt (always anti ethiopia and renaissance dam)
pakistan

very few countries but hose are our realistic allies right now and near future. i dont trust erdogan at all.

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[Ferrari]

eritrea
sudan
egypt (always anti ethiopia and renaissance dam)
pakistan

very few countries but hose are our realistic allies right now and near future. i dont trust erdogan at all.

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as we rebuild, we wanna avoid angering the bastards in the west, because they'll sanction you. Look how much they sanctioned NK and Iran who are both very strong, institutioanlly. we are barely surviving with no sanctions, imagine if they sanctioned, food and medicine?

I think Turkey is the best option, of all the developed nations, we just need a government and a president who is af minshaar, who can get it done.

Turkey
Japan
and even China, if we stand up to them and make sure they don't abuse us like they do other africans, wouldn't be a bad idea.

Somalia is a small country, it can be rebuilt.

After the ICJ case, Kenya will be pretty much landlocked, and Ethiopia already is landlocked, and that gives us a lot of leverage over them.

First thing is first, Somalia needs stability, from corner to corner. No AS, no militias loyal to any man/qabiil, and this can only be done if we can find a Somali government that's fair to all, not sidelining any clan while trying to prosper another clan and this is VERY HARD.

 

[reer]

as we rebuild, we wanna avoid angering the bastards in the west, because they'll sanction you. Look how much they sanctioned NK and Iran who are both very strong, institutioanlly. we are barely surviving with no sanctions, imagine if they sanctioned, food and medicine?

I think Turkey is the best option, of all the developed nations, we just need a government and a president who is af minshaar, who can get it done.

Turkey
Japan
and even China, if we stand up to them and make sure they don't abuse us like they do other africans, wouldn't be a bad idea.

Somalia is a small country, it can be rebuilt.

After the ICJ case, Kenya will be pretty much landlocked, and Ethiopia already is landlocked, and that gives us a lot of leverage over them.

First thing is first, Somalia needs stability, from corner to corner. No AS, no militias loyal to any man/qabiil, and this can only be done if we can find a Somali government that's fair to all, not sidelining any clan while trying to prosper another clan and this is VERY HARD.

we need
-educated bureaucrats
-proper education sector
-a strong industrial sector
-a strong army
-a strong navy
-a strong market to generate tax ravenue
-recover lost lands

all of that to be done without clan politica and a leader from a .5 clan.

we cant do that with our population our territory is too big and sparsely populated. we need a population boost.

 

[SomaliMVP]

we need
-educated bureaucrats
-proper education sector
-a strong industrial sector
-a strong army
-a strong navy
-a strong market to generate tax ravenue
-recover lost lands

all of that to be done without clan politica and a leader from a .5 clan.

we cant do that with our population our territory is too big and sparsely populated. we need a population boost.

The sky is the limit if we can manage our differences

 

[Ferrari]

we need
-educated bureaucrats
-proper education sector
-a strong industrial sector
-a strong army
-a strong navy
-a strong market to generate tax ravenue
-recover lost lands

all of that to be done without clan politica and a leader from a .5 clan.

we cant do that with our population our territory is too big and sparsely populated. we need a population boost.

Somalia's entire budget is less than 500million, and more than half of that comes from donors, meaning the money generated from Somalia is like 200 or so million. that's literally scraps. You couldn't even cover that with 200,000 soldiers' wages, let alone anything else. if you increase that to 5billion, then you can start seeing real progress, and there's no reason why that can't be done since Somalia already has a gdp of about 10 billion as shit as it is right now, that can be trippled in less than a decade if we security.

The biggest hurdle is security, after security, you can increase revenue by taxing.

 

[Waaqmasho]

somalia and ethiopia cant have proper relations we might aswell be like pakistan and india.
ethiopia has had western backing for generations. a strong somali nation is against both their interests like it or not.
anything happens between somalia and ethiopia who will have western backing.
anything happens between somalia and ethiopia which other (relevant to us) sub saharan countries will stand by us? very few. eritrea and sudan. the rest ka tasho.

@Ferrari is 100% right to be more hostile towards addis ababa. our beef with kenyans pretty much is this decade but abyssinia is longer.

I agree. Ethiopia is eternal. Kenya is only a threat these coming months until the ICJ case is over. If madoobe is a real somali he wouldn't work on handing kenya beledxaawo and building a wall. He wouldn't support them. I dont care if he allies with them after the case. But this is crucial time. But he wouldnt wait for the case to be over, look how desperate he is asking for gedo to be given to his admin. Farmaajo already told him you can bring your admin to hold elections. Why didnt he agree with it? Even if his admin is in gedo why would there be no SNA in gedo? That doesnt make sense SNA has to be everywhere. He always says remove Sna remove sna so the kenyans can enter. He is a traitor sxb. SNA should always secure the borders who the hell says remove sna from border.

 

[X29]

I agree. Ethiopia is eternal. Kenya is only a threat these coming months until the ICJ case is over. If madoobe is a real somali he wouldn't work on handing kenya beledxaawo and building a wall. He wouldn't support them. I dont care if he allies with them after the case. But this is crucial time. But he wouldnt wait for the case to be over, look how desperate he is asking for gedo to be given to his admin. Farmaajo already told him you can bring your admin to hold elections. Why didnt he agree with it? Even if his admin is in gedo why would there be no SNA in gedo? That doesnt make sense SNA has to be everywhere. He always says remove Sna remove sna so the kenyans can enter. He is a traitor sxb. SNA should always secure the borders who the hell says remove sna from border.

What do you think the kenyans where thinking after janan was defeated and ran back to mandera

 

[Waaqmasho]

What do you think the kenyans where thinking after janan was defeated and ran back to mandera

How useless janan and madoobe are.

 

[X29]

How useless janan and madoobe are.

Whats going to happen when lose the case how much of blowback is this going to be for Kenya

 

[Waaqmasho]

Whats going to happen when lose the case how much of blowback is this going to be for Kenya

They will be landlocked it's gonna be a big blowback.

 

[X29]

They will be landlocked it's gonna be a big blowback.

Did you see the thing in nigeria by joe biden yoy think he can threaten somalia

 

[Mehmet]

SL isn't a separatist movement but an independent country that was an independent country before uniting with Somalia in July 1st 1960. Even Eritrea and South Sudan have never been independent on two occasions whilst we have albeit we were a nation for only 5 days in 1960. Somalia will be the first to recognize us as a nation not Kenya sxb

Not even on judgement day

 

[Mehmet]

people don't hate farmaajo because of his qabiil, they hate him because he's trying to sideline everyone else, and strengthen his clan, like msb did. arming gedo, sanctioning lower juba and not gedo, using SNA to remove gedo from JL while using SNA to force hiiraan on hirshabeele, etc... are just some examples.

waa qabiiliste, cidna ka ogolaan mayso "waxaan ahay wadani", waana lala dagaalami inta u joogo.

He has failed to lead

 

[BigBreak]

Not even on judgement day

That's what Ethiopians once said too regarding Eritrea.......recognition WILL come