Haiti President Jovenel Moïse killed in attack at home
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This is 100% an inside job. How the hell do you assassinante the PRESIDENT that easily? The security was either paid off to let something slide, or they were the ones that did the hit. I don’t know anything about Haitian politics so I don’t know why he’d be wanted dead, or who actually killed him, but now I’m interested 
In addition to the usual suspects, there is also an extremely powerful Arab, mainly Syrian elite who wanted him gone according to some Haitians.
These Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians came to Haiti as refugees a long time ago and they've amassed massive wealth and control so much of the Haitian economy.
All with the support of the Americans and French who always instal a buffer class in Black majority countries.
We need to be extremely cautious of this happening in Somalia where Arab refugees are allowed untethered access and freedom to open businesses.
Somalis can be easily hoodwinked when the 'one Ummah ' card is pulled unfortunately.
Today, its restaurants. Tomorrow, these people will buy up land and assets and sow corruption to weaken enforcement of their practices.
May Allah protect Somalia from these vultures.
Really sympathise with the Haitians.
These Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians came to Haiti as refugees a long time ago and they've amassed massive wealth and control so much of the Haitian economy.
All with the support of the Americans and French who always instal a buffer class in Black majority countries.
We need to be extremely cautious of this happening in Somalia where Arab refugees are allowed untethered access and freedom to open businesses.
Somalis can be easily hoodwinked when the 'one Ummah ' card is pulled unfortunately.
Today, its restaurants. Tomorrow, these people will buy up land and assets and sow corruption to weaken enforcement of their practices.
May Allah protect Somalia from these vultures.
Really sympathise with the Haitians.
We didn’t had France as a Coloniser, we didn’t had a 21 billion debt, we didn’t had the US influencing and being at our neck 24/7. If we were in the same situation as Haiti alongside the bozo’s living in the country we wouldn’t have been in a 3 decade civil war, but in a 6 decade civil war.
the Haitians at least try, while most people back home don’t even try a bit. We have a lot of advantages we aren’t using.
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Haiti became independant 200 years ago. One of them was on the titanic during the early 1900's, while my ancestors were learning the Quran writings on a wood.
Since 1947, they were debt free, the global economy was kicking off after ww2, a decade before africans became independant, but also 3 decades before my country Djibouti become independant.
Yet look at the result, most african countries with all the civil war that they had are still in better shape. Dominican republic, which they share an island with is 1000x more successful.
Andd by the way, they are independant since the 1800's and they payed their debts in 1825.
Haiti became independant 200 years ago. One of them was on the titanic during the early 1900's, while my ancestors were learning the Quran writings on a wood.
Since 1947, they were debt free, the global economy was kicking off after ww2, a decade before africans became independant, but also 3 decades before my country Djibouti become independant.
Yet look at the result, most african countries with all the civil war that they had are still in better shape. Dominican republic, which they share an island with is 1000x more successful.
Andd by the way, they are independant since the 1800's and they payed their debts in 1825.
Let me break this down
A nation can be destitute and still have one person be able to go on a cruise ship. Somalia is a shambles and has millionaires, is that reflective of the FGS's financial situation?
They went back into debt almost a decade later ostensively to rebuild the reparations damaged economy but a lot of it was mismanaged by their dictator. Regardless, their economy went from one of the best in the region in 1804 to beyond damaged in 1947. An independent nation starts with a neutral economy not a damaged one.
Dominican Republic did not fight for freedom from slave masters, get economically barricaded, debt trapped, invaded twice for resources like Haiti did. Apples and Oranges.
Haiti paid their last interest payment in 1947 to Citibank. They also were invaded twice by the US Marines in the 1910's in which they seized the entirety of Haiti's gold reserves.
You guys are trying to debate something that is almost consensus amongst historians.
A nation can be destitute and still have one person be able to go on a cruise ship. Somalia is a shambles and has millionaires, is that reflective of the FGS's financial situation?
They went back into debt almost a decade later ostensively to rebuild the reparations damaged economy but a lot of it was mismanaged by their dictator. Regardless, their economy went from one of the best in the region in 1804 to beyond damaged in 1947. An independent nation starts with a neutral economy not a damaged one.
Dominican Republic did not fight for freedom from slave masters, get economically barricaded, debt trapped, invaded twice for resources like Haiti did. Apples and Oranges.
Haiti paid their last interest payment in 1947 to Citibank. They also were invaded twice by the US Marines in the 1910's in which they seized the entirety of Haiti's gold reserves.
You guys are trying to debate something that is almost consensus amongst historians.
most money that get donated are almost never used for the needs lmao.
They think Haiti situation is “easy” compared to Somalia’s situation.
Neither situation is easy. Regardless of what happened, both countries are in a bad position. The focus should be on getting out of said bad position.
They pledged 10 Billion, big difference. The difference being when you pledge money, you can give it to aid organisations that make a fact finding mission across the country then write a report and then do a tender process and so on for multiple projects until you run out money.
Somalia has received probably over 100 billion in aid in the last few years and anyone that has been there can tell you it is not there.
Aid money to rafaad countries like Haiti and Somalia rarely go to the government but NGOs.
Ok but, you are talking about this dictator as if he wasn't haitian himself.
If the dictator was a bad guy, then it was internal not external (it was not related to France or USA).
It's true an independant country should start with a neutral economy, but they had 200 years to fix an economy.
They received 13 billion dollars after the earthquakes in 2008. That was more than their gdp at the time. It's like giving America 21 trillion dollarrs or giving Japan 4 trillion dollars.
Where did it go?
The problem was corruption, a few members of the elite used it for their personal pleasures.
So what if America invaded them in 1910, that was 110 years ago. Most countries back then were colonized.
Japan was nuked twice in 1945. The west made life in Japan difficult by crippling Japan's economy during the 1800. Russia attacked Japan during the 1800's and Japan won. Japan had NO allies just like Haiti.
Germany had to pay soooo much debt after WW1 but still managed to become a superpower and invaded the countries that wanted Germany's debt.
After WW2, Germany was divided in 2 and occupied by 4 nations for 40 years, but today it's the 4th richest country.
South Korea was invaded by Japan in 1910 and occupied until 1940, then it was divided in half with 90% of the industries in North Korea. South Korea only had farms.
Israel, the day after it's independance was attacked by many arab countries and it managed to win against all odds without the help of the USA.
Nobody had it easy, but yeah let's go soft on Haiti.
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Blame that the Haitians for being overly tolerant. If Somalia becomes overly tolerant of foreigners, then we deserve the same fate!
Any foreigner investor in Somalia needs to form a joint venture with Somalis. The Somali own at least 50% of the venture's value.
He was a tyrant and he was endangering capitalists interests. Some think the U.S is behind this, not sure though. I’m glad he’s gone, they desperately need someone new.*First time they assassinate their president*
Someone in sspot: Naclatullah Africa and her descendents. Madoows are terrible
Relax dude, your sweet second home had more than 6 assassination attempts, more than 3 were successful
Haiti has a weak central government and many NGO’s (non government organizations).
Wow that sounds like exactly what's happening in Somalia now. They're miskeen refugees who open up their little restaurants and dental clinics. I hope the government realizes before they start demanding more power
Firstly, they had to take out a loan to fix the damage caused by the 130 years of reparations payment. Yes not all of it was spent on improving their economy but you are really blaming a nation for the actions of their dictator? Should all Somalis be blamed for Barre and his misuse of finances?
They paid off the last of their reparations-related payments in 1947. How is that 200 years?
I'm pretty sure 2021-1947= 74 Or am I just bad at math?
All of these economic hardships you mention lasted a few years to a few decades at most. Haiti was crippled for over 130 years. How difficult is that for you to understand.
I already go over the impact that 130 years of spending the entirety of GDP on debt repayment does to an economy earlier in this thread. I will repost it in my next post below.
If you think that their situation was easy, lets see how Djibouti would do with 130 years of debt repayments that equate paying almost the entire GDP every year to France.
Re-read this @Odayga_Jabuuti and understand the difference between 10-20 years of hardship and 130 years of virtually no government spending in a country.
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