Brits guessing how much healthcare costs in America

[AussieHustler]

Denmark was in the same situation a couple of years ago, they increase the fond a bit and it got a lot better

@Dhalin

Could you access and book a private dentist immediately for dental care, or do you’ve to call a government owned dental hospital if you aren’t insured in Denmark? If you’re medically insured, you can access all sorts of medical services immediately here. If you aren’t, you join a long line. But seeing your local GP in your local private medical centre doesn’t require a waiting list or to be insured.

 

[Guure]

@Tukraq

 

[Guure]

@Dhalin

Could you access and book a private dentist immediately for dental care, or do you’ve to call a government owned dental hospital if you aren’t insured in Denmark? If you’re medically insured, you can access all sorts of medical services immediately here. If you aren’t, you join a long line. But seeing your local GP in your local private medical centre doesn’t require a waiting list or to be insured.

Dentalcare is free for 18 and below and retired people.
But genrally you have a local dentist that you can book for takes about a week or two unless its emergancy ofcourse. But dentist being free for 18 and below makes it so everyone gets their shit fixed before. And if you get braces while still under it will be free later. its prett great

 

[AussieHustler]

Dentalcare is free for 18 and below and retired people.
But genrally you have a local dentist that you can book for takes about a week or two unless its emergancy ofcourse. But dentist being free for 18 and below makes it so everyone gets their shit fixed before. And if you get braces while still under it will be free later. its prett great

@Dhallin

No difference than here if it will take you a week or two if you need a painful tooth to be filled or pulled out. Here, you can go to the hospital and be seen after 10-12 hours, but you have to be physically present all these hours. Also, children (16 and under) are prioritised here and could get an appointment within 24 hours for dental care.

 

[Guure]

@Dhallin

No difference than here if it will take you a week or two if you need a painful tooth to be filled or pulled out. Here, you can go to the hospital and be seen after 10-12 hours, but you have to be physically present all these hours. Also, children (16 and under) are prioritised here and could get an appointment within 24 hours for dental care.

10-12 hours if your there? jesus

 

[Farjano-Walad]

For those who think this is the free market, you are wrong, this has nothing to do with the free market.

its a very monopolised system where the US central government has given big players to slice up america and each takes several states, example a company in Taxes is not allowed to compete in another state as another company is reserved for that state

real insurance is very cheap, in fact employers started to give workers free health care in the 1940s as it was very cheap due to free Market competition,

companies are not allowed to compete in another state, so you can imagine what that will do to prices, the US system since the 1960s have captured and many of these employ former senators as chairman so its revolving door,

another thing, if a doctor wants to set up price and charge less to attract customers, he will be sued by the government from the state or Federal as he is not allowed to under cut to attract customers, so the government make its even more expensive,

competition and free market is not allowed,, a doctor who reduces his prices set by the government will lose his license,

also the american medical association tells universities how many students they can teach medicine each year, so the AMA limits the number of student intakes to make sure doctor wages do not drop so they reduce supply of future doctors, the only subject allowed to do this,

do not blame this on the free market , there is a lot of corruption with former senators leading big medical companies and they use that connection from the government to get monopolies,

also the NHS is not perfect, hundreds of thousands die each year with massive waiting time, american cancer patience has 73% chance to treat it, in UK its 53% and even lower in socialised Europe,

both systems are bad we need the state to stop giving her friends special treatment and alow the free market to work,

There are around 450,000 deaths in Britain each year of people who are in hospital or under NHS care. Around 29 per cent – 130,000 – are of patients who were on the LC

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html

 

[AussieHustler]

10-12 hours if your there? jesus

@Dhallin

what’s your alternative? Two or more weeks waiting to be seen with a painful tooth?

 

[Farjano-Walad]

How the Government Ruined US Healthcare — and What Can Be Done

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116 COMMENTS
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03/22/2017Alice Salles
Government’s meddling in the healthcare business has been disastrous from the get-go.

Since 1910, when Republican William Taft gave in to the American Medical Association’s lobbying efforts, most administrations have passed new healthcare regulations. With each new law or set of new regulations, restrictions on the healthcare market went further, until at some point in the 1980s, people began to notice the cost of healthcare had skyrocketed.

This is not an accident. It’s by design.

As regulators allowed special interests to help design policy, everything from medical education to drugs became dominated by virtual monopolies that wouldn’t have otherwise existed if not for government’s notion that intervening in people’s lives is part of their job.

RELATED: "How Government Regulations Made Healthcare So Expensive" by Mike Holly

But how did costs go up, and why didn’t this happen overnight?

It wasn’t until 1972 that President Richard Nixon restricted the supply of hospitals by requiring institutions to provide a certificate-of-need.

Just a couple years later, in 1974, the president also strengthened unions for hospital workers by boosting pension protections, which raise the cost for both those who run hospitals and taxpayers in cases of institutions that rely on government subsidies. This move also helped force doctors who once owned and ran their own hospitals to merge into provider monopolies. These, in turn, are often only able to keep their doors open with the help of government subsidies.

This artificial restriction on healthcare access had yet another harsh consequence: overworked doctors.

But they weren’t the first to feel the consequences hit home. As the number of hospitals and clinics became further restricted and the healthcare industry became obsessed with simple compliance, patients were the first to feel abandoned.

RELATED: "Why Health Care Costs Exploded After World War II" by Michel Accad

According to Business Insider, the average doctor has thousands of patients, and each visit lasts less than 30 minutes. Prior to the government’s slow but absolute control of healthcare, the doctor listened to the patient — many old timers will confirm — even if they couldn’t afford it. Few were turned down. Now, doctors can hardly recall the conversations they have with the people they are supposed to be looking after.

As President Barack Obama pushed further restrictions on the insurance industry by touting his Affordable Care Act as a piece of legislation that would make insurance more affordable — ignoring that insurance isn’t the same as care — the overall cost of coverage also increased over the years. And as a result, a new group of independent healthcare professionals went on to ignite one of the most liberating revolutions in recent US history.

Direct Primary Care: Removing Artificial Restrictions from the Picture
Business Insider chronicles the story behind Dr. Bryan Hill’s practice.

As a pediatrician, Hill spent most of his life dealing with insurance companies. But one day after answering an impromptu house call, he decided he had had enough.

That’s when he learned about primary care clinics. These offices remain open by giving patients memberships in exchange for a monthly fee that covers most of what the average patient requires. As a result, the patient pays the doctor directly, and neither party is forced to navigate the complicated rules imposed by insurance companies.

In September 2016, Hill opened his practice in South Carolina, and he’s not planning on going back. But he’s just one of many. As ACA became increasingly suffocating to patients and providers, many doctors ditched the system altogether while others went into the primary care business.

On average, members of these direct primary care clinics pay as little as $60 per month, with couples paying about $150. Without having to handle heavily regulated middlemen, patients have a clearer picture of how much they spend on their health by being members of such practices. They also enjoy the peace of mind of knowing their doctor.

Studies have already demonstrated that when there is good communication between doctors and patients, treatments are more efficient. This is not simply because doctors are giving patients attention, but also because they are able to tailor a certain treatment to that patient’s lifestyle, health, and activities.

By removing the government entirely from the picture and allowing patients and doctors to once again deal directly with one another, the practice of embracing primary care helps to illustrate the importance of an individual and personalized approach to healthcare.

For governments and government bureaucrats, everything is dealt with from a collective perspective — after all, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

When government gets involved in healthcare, everything looks like another number, another statistic. But what bureaucrats fail to understand is that they do not possess all the answers. Only a doctor who is paying attention will be better able to help the individual patient — not a few thousand new regulations.

In essence, what this growing movement seems to suggest is that, even if doctors and patients are unaware of the interventionist forces driving the cost of doing business and receiving medical attention, they’re still driven into the open arms of the free market at some point or another. In the end, needs speak louder than ideology.

Originally published at The AntiMedia.


https://mises.org/wire/how-government-ruined-us-healthcare-—-and-what-can-be-done

 

[Farjano-Walad]

How Government Regulations Made Healthcare So Expensive

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126 COMMENTS
TAGS Big GovernmentHealth

05/09/2017Mike Holly
[Originally published 12/17/2013 as a Mises Daily article.]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," declared philosopher George Santayana.

The U.S. “health care cost crisis” didn’t start until 1965. The government increased demand with the passage of Medicare and Medicaid while restricting the supply of doctors and hospitals. Health care prices responded at twice the rate of inflation (Figure 1). Now, the U.S. is repeating the same mistakes with the unveiling of Obamacare (a.k.a. “Medicare and Medicaid for the middle class”).


https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

 

[Guure]

@Dhallin

what’s your alternative? Two or more weeks waiting to be seen with a painful tooth?

@Dhallin

what’s your alternative? Two or more weeks waiting to be seen with a painful tooth?

If you have a painful tooth it wont take more than a week in denmark really. But deffo improve the quality of dental care so peope dont have to visit as much. and maybe more funds

 

[Farjano-Walad]

stop blaming the free market, yall have been ruined by socialised medicine and bloody socialism, its time to get the fat ugly hands of the state away from medicine and health care, they always ruin it,

for idiots who voted for obama and wanted obama care, eat your gift, you shot yourself in the foot with your own voting,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

If you have a painful tooth it wont take more than a week in denmark really. But deffo improve the quality of dental care so peope dont have to visit as much. and maybe more funds

always more funds excuse yet every year they spend more money than last, how much is enough?

its time to kick the government out of health care, they have made medicine and health care expensive with regulations and government created monopolies,

the company can have monopoly with out the blessing of the government, the free market doesn't create monopolies, its always sanctioned by the state , so if anything blame the government

 

[AussieHustler]

If you have a painful tooth it wont take more than a week in denmark really. But deffo improve the quality of dental care so peope dont have to visit as much. and maybe more funds

@Dhallin

Will you prefer 10 hours of pain waiting to be seen or 168 hours (a week) of pain?

 

[Guure]

@Dhallin

Will you prefer 10 hours of pain waiting to be seen or 168 hours (a week) of pain?

Well if its severe pain, ofc you will get temporary treatment like pain medication

 

[Muji]

I use a private facility for dentistry. With the NHS you can have an appointment at 3:00pm but will be seen at 4:30. Whereas when you go private they stick to your appointment time.

 

[AussieHustler]

@Teeri-Alpha

for arguments sake, since governments were forced to sell public assets like electricity and water on the pretext that competition will lower prices and improve services, is that what happened? Don’t blindly adhere to “market forces” as most of them are a greedy bunch and would rob you in a day light.

Tan kale, how do you expect refugees, old people and struggling young families to forfeit free access to health care and become proponents of economic rationalists? I happily pay 37% personal tax knowing that my fellow human being will be cared for and their child afforded a free education.

 

[Guure]

For those who think this is the free market, you are wrong, this has nothing to do with the free market.

its a very monopolised system where the US central government has given big players to slice up america and each takes several states, example a company in Taxes is not allowed to compete in another state as another company is reserved for that state

real insurance is very cheap, in fact employers started to give workers free health care in the 1940s as it was very cheap due to free Market competition,

companies are not allowed to compete in another state, so you can imagine what that will do to prices, the US system since the 1960s have captured and many of these employ former senators as chairman so its revolving door,

another thing, if a doctor wants to set up price and charge less to attract customers, he will be sued by the government from the state or Federal as he is not allowed to under cut to attract customers, so the government make its even more expensive,

competition and free market is not allowed,, a doctor who reduces his prices set by the government will lose his license,

also the american medical association tells universities how many students they can teach medicine each year, so the AMA limits the number of student intakes to make sure doctor wages do not drop so they reduce supply of future doctors, the only subject allowed to do this,

do not blame this on the free market , there is a lot of corruption with former senators leading big medical companies and they use that connection from the government to get monopolies,

also the NHS is not perfect, hundreds of thousands die each year with massive waiting time, american cancer patience has 73% chance to treat it, in UK its 53% and even lower in socialised Europe,

both systems are bad we need the state to stop giving her friends special treatment and alow the free market to work,




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html

Sounds like the goverment is corrupt.
The country were billionaires and corporations can buy politicians, and changed the law in their favor

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Teeri-Alpha

for arguments sake, since governments were forced to sell public assets like electricity and water on the pretext that competition will lower prices and improve services, is that what happened? Don’t blindly adhere to “market forces” as most of them are a greedy bunch and would rob you in a day light.

Tan kale, how do you expect refugees, old people and struggling young families to forfeit free access to health care and become proponents of economic rationalists? I happily pay 37% personal tax knowing that my fellow human being will be cared for and their child afforded a free education.

the state is forced to sell those assets because the state cannot run them well, the state is made of people who dont respond to market forces, hence why they are shut, slow, bad and always take more money and give back almost zero, like the useless post office,

comp[ettion allows things to be cheaper,

news flash kid, we dont have a free market, so stop blaming it, we have a mixed market, a free market is where the state doesn't get involved in any market operations, regulations , yet we have a model where the state decides who gets a monopoly, so blame the state, we dont have a free market sadly,

secondly, no need to tax you 37%, medicine would be cheap as chips if we allowed free market, its only expensive due to states picking winners and losers, who gets to sell it, make it, before it is brought to market the state makes it massive expensive with regulations then it grants said companies 20 year monopoly, sure if i am the one guy making a medicine for 20 years, i will charge as much as i want thanks to bloody patents,

we know this because when patents expire, competitors enter the market and rive prices down 90% plus,

stop blaming the free market, we dont have free markets, we have a mixed economy that each passing year is becoming less free and more state controlled,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Sounds like the goverment is corrupt.
The country were billionaires and corporations can buy politicians, and changed the law in their favor

it doesn't matter, even if deep heavy socialist countries, the elite and their families always had the best food and medicine,

so even if tyro hate the free market bro and become a socialist utopia, the elite at the top will get the cream de la cream, so lets limit the state and her powers and make sure the state cannot create monopoly and give privileges to a select few

we dont have a free market,

a free market is a doctor going to set up a practice and charge what he likes, sadly he cannot do this in any country, the state decides how much he is allowed to charge, how many people he can see etc,

blame the state,

 

[AussieHustler]

@Teeri-Alpha

The only industry that’s 100% deregulated is the Banking industry and recently, we had a Royal Commission on Banks and what came out will make Adam Smith roll in his grave with disgust. Even after the Royal Commission, one of Australia’s biggest bank was caught red handed and are accused of “23 million legal breaches in relation to transactions worth more than $11bn”. This includes pedophiles with convictions using the bank illegally and not properly monitored by the Bank. Google Westpac and it’s problems. That’s your “Free Market” without regulations. What would have happened to healthcare insurance if it wasn’t regulated? Older people would’ve been charged exorbitant amounts of money, young people would’ve been forced to do DNA tests if they are carriers of genes that might cause major ailments, the list goes on and on...., wake up Sxb, the Free market is unreliable without regulators.