They are not the same under the law, and not protected equally either.
Brits guessing how much healthcare costs in America
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stop being silly, no one can enter your home with out your consent,
and of patents, let musk invent that car, as long as he is not allowed to prevent others who have invented similar technology for 20 years patent, no one has a right to an idea,
musk is not the only man with a brain, if others event a car that runs on water, musk cannot deny them or use the force of the state to deny them,
when the plane was invented many engineers who never went to the USA created their own versions in Russia, japan, UK, germany, france etc with out input from the wright brothers, should the wright brothers deny others coming up with their own idea?
you wish to pick holes in my arguments, you cannot, dont waste time,
There has to be some middleground, if there is intellectual prope
But they are not fully free market, but price control.
you are confused and or lying about me, if i learn an idea of how to bake a pie from you, you are not poorer, its an idea, if i take your property then you are less off as it can be excluded, but ideas are not, if i have an idea on how to lose weight, and you copy it, i am not less off, if you take my land i am less off,
besides, ideas dont have market value unless consumer wish to pay for it, and if they buy my idea, you can also enter the market and market your idea to them, as long as i cannot stop you thanks to silly state powers like 20 years patents
@Dhallin
Sxb, I’ve seen quiet a few who make that distinction, but to me, it’s the same & one. Building a home, a farmer planting a field, an author writing a book, a director making a movie, a songwriter writing a lyrics or an inventor developing medicine or a new technology requires money and manpower and they should own the rights to it. Or, advocate for Marxism that it all belongs to all.
he wants to give firms 20 years patents so they can abuse their pricing points, yet he cries about companies abusing their monopoly powers, make up your mind @AussieHustler
did you know the first world patents were created in England in 1500s so the King can have an excuse and give privileges to his friends or family?
its called letter of patents where the king would grant the right for that person to be the only maker/manufacturer/importer of shoes, win, clothes, etc and if anyone else produced or imported the same good and sold it for a lower price with better quality they would be executed,
so it was a monopoly designed for the King and his court to give to their friends, the idea spread,
today a fir will go to congressman and say we cannot compete so we must be allowed to have patents for a number of years, they give in return lobbying money, a bribe and the congressman creates it,
in fact only congress is allowed to create patents and regulate the patent office,
when apple claimed only they can make rectangle shaped phones, they won in the US but apple lost in UK, Germany and so many other nations,
a patent judge in London once remarked " how on earth can yuo claim a patent on a rectangle shaped phones?
so apple is now paid by Samsung each year in the US
in fact US firms have bought tens of thousands of patents and sue it to get competition and innovation, they sue small new entries, this is bad as the consumer suffers,
google, apple, Microsoft have hundreds of thousands of patents used to kill competition and block new firms entering the market,
and if the new firm agrees to increase prices they will not be used, if they cut prices giant firms will sue them,
its called patent trolls, read about it bro,
Yes, but private property, is for the sole purpose of generating revenue. While personal is not. There is laws to follow regarding private property while not so much for personal.
@Teeri-Alpha what is your opinion on this.
@Dhallin
My mate Teeri is confused between monopoly and a patent gained via intellectual property that has been achieved with money and hard work. He can’t answer who will pay for research and development and yet expects individuals and businesses to freely share their discoveries that cost them money and manpower. There will be no progress. Someone has to pay for it. Who?
My mate Teeri is confused between monopoly and a patent gained via intellectual property that has been achieved with money and hard work. He can’t answer who will pay for research and development and yet expects individuals and businesses to freely share their discoveries that cost them money and manpower. There will be no progress. Someone has to pay for it. Who?
Thats fucked wallahi
I dont feel like intellectual property is that big of a problem. Most of the time new research is funded by the public sector and discorverd by it. The problem is the state giving 10+ years patent to a single enterprise, plus a government with barely any regulation and no price control, your setting up for disastrous event.
I think you misunderstood, patent laws should change, so it cant be abused. The way insulin is abused, 3 companies produce and supply 97% of all insulin in the world. because they abused the patent law, the strategy is called evergreening, you basically buy new patent everytime the old expires. and btw none of the 3 companies where the one to discover insulin.
@Dhallin
Now, we are making progress, my defence of patents are only limited to new discoveries as some would be issued with a life long intellectual property patents such as discoveries in technology, film, music, books and so on. However, when it comes to medicine, pharmaceuticals should be given patents for a certain period of time to recoup their investments and be allowed to make profits. But after a certain period, given the high cost of such medicine and making it available to the poorer people and countries, the patent should be revoked and others allowed to produce a generic version of the drugs. The insulin saga in America and in particular how and who the FDA gives Patents is very complex. We don’t have that kind of a patent system here in Australia and I don’t support it.
trust me bro, if there is money to be made, firms will do the research,
another thing, back in the days a pharma firm would do research and bring medicine to market in months,
so large pharma firms figured out that very smart doctors were starting their own pharma firms and bringing in very effective medicine to market really quickly,
i kid you not, the big boys banded together and demand that FDA forces small nimble fast moving firms to spend at least 3 billion minimum to bring out a drug and minimum research should be 8 years
they did this to stop competition and guess who was the head of the FDA? the former head of the pharmaceutical union association, a lobbying group
the pharma group would raise money from the big boys during elections and give billions to each party/candidate and say if you want the money yuo must make one of us the head of the FDA, so its a revolving door policy,
the candidate gets the money, he becomes a senator/congressman, president and guess who they advocate to be the next head of the FDA?
you guest it, its very higher up smart type of fraud,
so now the new FDA head (former pharma association chairman/woman) would force small firms to spend atleast 15 years to test drugs, and minimum spend must be 3 billion,
even if it is an improvement of am existing drug, they need to test it for 16 years
people were OK buying drugs that were tested for 3 years, why change it now?
and they also change rules like you cannot test it on 2 thousand people, it must be tested on 200K people, just to kill small competitors since they dont have the funds,
no take this and its why the US used to bring out new drugs every 2-4 years and now its an average of 16 years and testing alone costs between 3-7 billion,
big boys can afford it and it kills their small competitor,
so even the doctors who make the drugs for the big boys, if they wanted to create their own companies and improve the drug and make money, they are stopped thanks to the rules (corruption really)
its white people form of corruption, they dont rob directly like arabs and asians and afrcians, they crate systems to rob people for generations,
look at major firms like Intel, cisco, all started by people who used to work for HP, IBM, xerox, etc,
imagine if you stop these smart people starting their own firms to improve quality and prices?
firms cannot do this with out the state blessing them with patents and innovation killing regulations,
its like in certain US states you cannot become a barber with out 5 years "study" and license that costs thousands, its designed to protect big salons, and why do you need 5 years school to be a hair dresser?
because these barber shop unions donate money to local state senators and they demand laws in return,
Look what they did to this company that does eye tests and massively cut costs for consumers, the government crushed them thanks to the big boys demanding something to be done thanks to lobbying money
why dont we let customers decide, its not like the new star ups force companies to do this, its free choice, but the state kills innovation,
wallahi you are confused, the very patents you call for makes drug research expensive, let firms test the market and fail fast, patents have increased the number of years for new drugs from 3 months to 4 years to now 16 years on average and billions wasted as majority of new drugs dont succeed,
test fast and fail fast like the free market, no one has a right to an idea, but to physical property you have a right since you cannot produce it anymore, but if i take an idea from you , you are not poorer
if you teach me a new method of cooking, you are not less off, if i teach you how to increase fuel efficiency by 30% you are better off and i a not worse off since you will be building and invest in the money to begin with, not my money
ideas are not scare, physical property is scarce,
if you show me a new idea/ method of losing weight fast, you are not worse off, but if i take your house you are worse off,
i seriously thought you were smarter than that bro,
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