tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
yes it depends on very niche situations.
America is the Somalia of developed nations
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Islam is flexible. There are things curved in stone and most of it is situational. You imply Islam is very rigid. Islam is supposed to stand against time till the Earth dies and all on it. So, how do you square rigid Islam with necessities that are present, ones that will emerge in the long future?
That is why in Islam, Sometimes forbidden acts are allowed to save lives temporarily. From eating dead animals to abortion, there are situations that call for rule suspension.
For everyone's benefit in this discussion, see the following opinion regarding abortion:
The Council of Senior Scholars issued the following statement:
1 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy at any stage unless there is a legitimate reason, and within very precise limits.
2 – If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it. But aborting it at this stage for fear of the difficulty of raising children or of being unable to bear the costs of maintaining and educating them, or for fear for their future or because the couple feel that they have enough children – this is not permissible.
3 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy when it is an ‘alaqah (clot) or mudghah (chewed lump of flesh) (which are the second and third periods of forty days each) until a trustworthy medical committee has decided that continuing the pregnancy poses a threat to the mother’s wellbeing, in that there is the fear that she will die if the pregnancy continues. It is permissible to abort it once all means of warding off that danger have been exhausted.
4 – After the third stage, and after four months have passed, it is not permissible to abort the pregnancy unless a group of trustworthy medical specialists decide that keeping the foetus in his mother’s womb will cause her death, and that should only be done after all means of keeping the foetus alive have been exhausted. A concession is made allowing abortion in this case so as to ward off the greater of two evils and to serve the greater of two interests.
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What is the ruling on aborting a pregnancy in the early months (1-3) before the soul is breathed into the foetus?.Answer
Praise be to Allah.The Council of Senior Scholars issued the following statement:
1 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy at any stage unless there is a legitimate reason, and within very precise limits.
2 – If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it. But aborting it at this stage for fear of the difficulty of raising children or of being unable to bear the costs of maintaining and educating them, or for fear for their future or because the couple feel that they have enough children – this is not permissible.
3 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy when it is an ‘alaqah (clot) or mudghah (chewed lump of flesh) (which are the second and third periods of forty days each) until a trustworthy medical committee has decided that continuing the pregnancy poses a threat to the mother’s wellbeing, in that there is the fear that she will die if the pregnancy continues. It is permissible to abort it once all means of warding off that danger have been exhausted.
4 – After the third stage, and after four months have passed, it is not permissible to abort the pregnancy unless a group of trustworthy medical specialists decide that keeping the foetus in his mother’s womb will cause her death, and that should only be done after all means of keeping the foetus alive have been exhausted. A concession is made allowing abortion in this case so as to ward off the greater of two evils and to serve the greater of two interests.
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
you're not even disagreeing with me. i was implying that exception doesn't make the act Halal. the article you qouted states that Abortion is haram except for specific situation where it is allowed.
Stats made by white folks. I worked in planned parenthood and about 85% of patients were white.
Of course, in a predominantly white area or city, you will see high number of white folks as they are the majority. Specially if you live in Minnesota, it is a white State.
The stats are across America. Mississippi which has high black population accounts for the highest infant and maternity mortality of African Americans. Backward and Conservatives white ruling state. Same stats for other southern states, and Blacks mostly live in these states.
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You made no exceptions and implied abortion is Haram as a blanket statement in where I quoted you. Besides, I do not seek to disagree with people unless necessary.
btw, what I like about the quote I posted above from Islamqa.com website, in each Haram comment on abortion, they followed up with a permission to go against the ruling when called for. That is the beauty of Islam. It doesn't seek to impose difficulties on human beings and affords them the flexibility to escape from hardships or difficult situations.
It reminds Muslims when Allah said " He wants ease on you, and he doesn't seek to burden you". Allah is most kind and most forgiving makes sense.
It reminds Muslims when Allah said " He wants ease on you, and he doesn't seek to burden you". Allah is most kind and most forgiving makes sense.
SS ain't got enough collective braincells to discuss this topic. You just need to go into the previous thread about roe vs wade to see niggas either trolling or applying a blanket statement that abortion = haram therefore this ruling is good. No nuances whatsoever bunch of wecels arguing over something they aint got a clue about.
Abortion doesn't sound so bad when you open a garbage bin and find a dead newborn struggled with her umblical cord in there. You can't force women who are not ready for motherhood to be mothers.
Live and let live.
Live and let live.
Getting above 15 qashins when discussing social issues on SSpot is like getting a nobel prize.
It’s a good barometer of intellect.
I’ll come back to this thread in a year and say I told you so.
There will be stories of conservatives getting abortions and poor women dying trying to get abortions.
We will see kids getting stranded, some dying.
The question is whether we want to protect life or punish women who decide to abortion their unborn child.
There will be stories of conservatives getting abortions and poor women dying trying to get abortions.
We will see kids getting stranded, some dying.
The question is whether we want to protect life or punish women who decide to abortion their unborn child.
AdoonkaAlle
Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
Would you care to elaborate more on it ? did you take part in induced abortion mise ? mise was your work not related to abortions etc
Cant believe some Muslims here are advocating abortion
I don’t believe in it personally but this move isn’t going to decrease abortions or stop people from premarital sex.
It’s only going to make getting an abortion become more dangerous for the poor.
The clinic was located in the inner city, predominantly black and Hispanic neighborhood . White women travel from rural and suburbs to get the procedure done . The Mexicans are blacks are religious and keep their babies. White republicans know that white women have been doing since roe vs wade, they think banning abortion will increase the white population.
I live the south and black folks here are doing very well.
AdoonkaAlle
Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
This entire issue indicates the subversion & capitulation of muslims to secular doctrine. Separating what you’re required to believe & act on versus what you advocate for politically only causes cognitive dissonance among those who adopt such positions.
Majority of these abortions over 95 % are done not because they’re a medical necessity etc but because they inconvenience the lives of these women. Since 1965 over 60 million pregnancies have been aborted in the USA alone. So statistically more lives are lost than saved when abortions are carried out.
Having no qualms about the killing of foetuses & babies simply because they’re an inconvenience to a woman’s career ambitions, taking responsibilities as mothers etc but throw a fit when abortions are banned highlights their contradictions.
Utilising the 2-3% of abortions that are done for medical reasons to champion the legalisation of abortions in totality is nothing but absurd. How muslims support the killing of millions of foetuses & aren’t bothered by it is beyond me.
And when the girl-child that was buried alive will be asked, for what sin she was slain..." (81:8-9)
Do not kill your children for fear of poverty; it is We Who provide for them as well as for you. Killing them is surely a grave sin ( 17:31)
Majority of these abortions over 95 % are done not because they’re a medical necessity etc but because they inconvenience the lives of these women. Since 1965 over 60 million pregnancies have been aborted in the USA alone. So statistically more lives are lost than saved when abortions are carried out.
Having no qualms about the killing of foetuses & babies simply because they’re an inconvenience to a woman’s career ambitions, taking responsibilities as mothers etc but throw a fit when abortions are banned highlights their contradictions.
Utilising the 2-3% of abortions that are done for medical reasons to champion the legalisation of abortions in totality is nothing but absurd. How muslims support the killing of millions of foetuses & aren’t bothered by it is beyond me.
And when the girl-child that was buried alive will be asked, for what sin she was slain..." (81:8-9)
Do not kill your children for fear of poverty; it is We Who provide for them as well as for you. Killing them is surely a grave sin ( 17:31)
Where is everyone getting that white women have higher rates of abortion compared to other racial groups? Only 29 states report abortion rates with ethnic data.
"In 2019, the abortion rate for Black women was 23.8 per 1,000 women. For Hispanic women, it was 11.7 per 1,000. And for White women, it was 6.6 per 1,000."
Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm#T6_down
"In 2019, the abortion rate for Black women was 23.8 per 1,000 women. For Hispanic women, it was 11.7 per 1,000. And for White women, it was 6.6 per 1,000."
Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm#T6_down
AdoonkaAlle
Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
It even gets worse for bw when you compare the stats for live births vs abortion. Abortion of bw is equivalent to almost 50 % of their live births. If bw give birth to 500k babies they’ll also abort ca 250k in the same year.
The impact this has on the black population becomes evident. Control the women you control the population simple as that. It’s also the reason why muslim women are targeted exclusively by gaalada.
