In order to address the success disparity between girls and boys in the diaspora, it is important to challenge cultural attitudes towards gender roles. In somali households for the most part girls get the brunt of the house work and responsibility while the men are allowed to become useless bums.
Why are Somali Boys less likely to succeed as compared to the Girls in the Diaspora?
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Dr Osman would set up a functional diaspora community, tell the 'oldies' thanks but no thanks or relegate them to the 'new refugees coming in' and to get them quickly adjusted to life in the west.
The one's who were born here need a whole different approach as their mentality is western only their ethnicity is Somali, if you don't understand that's a huge problem having 'old somalis' involved who will not be able to connect to them.
1. They need to be shown their the 'first generation' and presentations shown of how other communities made it out in the western world in much tougher climate then what they are exposed too.
2. Mentorship this is absolutely critical, the mentors need to be people that are similar 'western born', they need mentorship in showing the way of 'crime' especially in their low socio-economic neighborhood is a dead-end, the quick money u make now, the years u spent in jail in down-time reduces your whole pettiness into mcdonald wages, this will wake up the 'wise' among them wake up, that isn't a wise route.
Then we need former drug dealers/gang bangers to come in and explain how they wasted their life due to poor choices and explain the 'reality' of that petty life approach, they will have much wisdom that can be passed on to them and they can 'relate' not to go down the same path. We must take them on tours of prisoners who can also speak to them. Wisdom isn't only about 'success' stories as most community centers focus on, but 'failure' stories so u can learn from it, in-fact it's the failure stories that most people want to know so their better informed.
The mentor-ship for 'single mom male' kids is mandatory and it has to be a center that is designed with their input, games, basketball court, pool tables, movies, chess, etc. They need to provide the input on what activities do they like and get govt funding for it. These kids need to be 'catched' around 13-14, up untill 12 most kids are normal, it's high school and new environment that changes most.
During holiday periods make sure you take them on 'trips' to keep them busy, make sure you provide them with real life coach advice, kids at that age are mostly lost and just doing what everyone else is doing to 'fit in'.
Identify where their 'strengths' are in school, and get tutors to mentor them, identify weaknesses also so mentors can teach them with common sense. The best way kids learn and I think everyone is thru common sense not complexity. All topics can be broken down to relate to the world around you.
But mentors successful ones but also failure ones, life coaches must be 'permanent staff' of the diaspora community as they work out new strategies weekly and we need 'professional' management team to ensure 'results' are being seen on diaspora community direction, no point setting something up without anyone monitoring it's success.
The one's who were born here need a whole different approach as their mentality is western only their ethnicity is Somali, if you don't understand that's a huge problem having 'old somalis' involved who will not be able to connect to them.
1. They need to be shown their the 'first generation' and presentations shown of how other communities made it out in the western world in much tougher climate then what they are exposed too.
2. Mentorship this is absolutely critical, the mentors need to be people that are similar 'western born', they need mentorship in showing the way of 'crime' especially in their low socio-economic neighborhood is a dead-end, the quick money u make now, the years u spent in jail in down-time reduces your whole pettiness into mcdonald wages, this will wake up the 'wise' among them wake up, that isn't a wise route.
Then we need former drug dealers/gang bangers to come in and explain how they wasted their life due to poor choices and explain the 'reality' of that petty life approach, they will have much wisdom that can be passed on to them and they can 'relate' not to go down the same path. We must take them on tours of prisoners who can also speak to them. Wisdom isn't only about 'success' stories as most community centers focus on, but 'failure' stories so u can learn from it, in-fact it's the failure stories that most people want to know so their better informed.
The mentor-ship for 'single mom male' kids is mandatory and it has to be a center that is designed with their input, games, basketball court, pool tables, movies, chess, etc. They need to provide the input on what activities do they like and get govt funding for it. These kids need to be 'catched' around 13-14, up untill 12 most kids are normal, it's high school and new environment that changes most.
During holiday periods make sure you take them on 'trips' to keep them busy, make sure you provide them with real life coach advice, kids at that age are mostly lost and just doing what everyone else is doing to 'fit in'.
Identify where their 'strengths' are in school, and get tutors to mentor them, identify weaknesses also so mentors can teach them with common sense. The best way kids learn and I think everyone is thru common sense not complexity. All topics can be broken down to relate to the world around you.
But mentors successful ones but also failure ones, life coaches must be 'permanent staff' of the diaspora community as they work out new strategies weekly and we need 'professional' management team to ensure 'results' are being seen on diaspora community direction, no point setting something up without anyone monitoring it's success.
Every week bring someone in to discuss their success and field whether its somali or not, plus the ones who failed need to be tapped into so they don't repeat their mistakes. In between, keep them busy on activities and trips during holiday, the friends they make there might even be 'life long'. It's up to 30-40 year olds to save the 12-20 year old bracket which is a 'key' phase in someone life. Once u get them past 20 bracket, 90% are set well informed and going to be new generation and they will ensure their kids only 'remember' the first generation as people who 'paved' the way like all immigrant communities.
Our generation were the first who came to the west in the late 80s and early 90s, we didn't have anything when we came, like all first generation, we will fail, but we must not allow the ones after us to fail or we are being idiots as this will repeat itself like african american generations.
But the following is mandatory staff
1. Mentors(successful n failed ppl in different professions)
2. Tutors(in school subjects they need help with)
3. Life coaches(successful ppl n failure ppl) to give talks to them about 'life'
4. Facilities to have fun while each week learning some 'wisdom' and funds for 'holiday' time as this is a time period when their not 'busy' with their time.
If all Somali community centers followed some of structure like that, we can save the 12-20 year olds from heading down the same old beaten path
Our generation were the first who came to the west in the late 80s and early 90s, we didn't have anything when we came, like all first generation, we will fail, but we must not allow the ones after us to fail or we are being idiots as this will repeat itself like african american generations.
But the following is mandatory staff
1. Mentors(successful n failed ppl in different professions)
2. Tutors(in school subjects they need help with)
3. Life coaches(successful ppl n failure ppl) to give talks to them about 'life'
4. Facilities to have fun while each week learning some 'wisdom' and funds for 'holiday' time as this is a time period when their not 'busy' with their time.
If all Somali community centers followed some of structure like that, we can save the 12-20 year olds from heading down the same old beaten path
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@Somali Ugaas what we see is somalis falling to their low socio-economic areas and adopting it's culture, there no reason we can't save the 12-20 year olds and create the right facilities for them where it will be a 'spot' where they can kill time doing things while once a week holding a real damn 'life coach session' with successful ppl and failures, tutors who can assist in making topics easy n fun to understand, once its broken down easy for them, they will have fun with it.
The problem in the schooling system as evident by it's horrendous results in terms of pioneers-innovators-inventors, their to busy trying to 'sound' smart even tho they haven't added shit to their field, and then students get caught up in that 'trap mentality' of being scared to be seen 'dumb', trust me it's the ones who r 'dumb' are the 'curious' kids as they trying to 'explore' their creativity by asking all sorts of questions becuz it must sit well in their 'mind' first or else they will just do wat others do 'fake it to make it' memorize and repeat.
There is something known as deep learning that some students do and thru deep learning you ask questions whether its silly or not. The day u stop asking questions mark my word u will be the 'sheep' that r killing productivity gains of industries and u will work with those ppl
The problem in the schooling system as evident by it's horrendous results in terms of pioneers-innovators-inventors, their to busy trying to 'sound' smart even tho they haven't added shit to their field, and then students get caught up in that 'trap mentality' of being scared to be seen 'dumb', trust me it's the ones who r 'dumb' are the 'curious' kids as they trying to 'explore' their creativity by asking all sorts of questions becuz it must sit well in their 'mind' first or else they will just do wat others do 'fake it to make it' memorize and repeat.
There is something known as deep learning that some students do and thru deep learning you ask questions whether its silly or not. The day u stop asking questions mark my word u will be the 'sheep' that r killing productivity gains of industries and u will work with those ppl
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You need an extended family to raise a boy properly. Fathers can’t do anything on their own. An active father will raise an incel while an absent father will raise a saqajaan. Men need multiple mentors to raise them in diff ways so they become well rounded
You are a retard full stop. If you think simple factors such as demographics and ownership have nothing to do with ecomomics you are the true adoon. White men are a factor since they own the means of production and politics which they should because its their country. For you to think thats apportioning blame really tells me youre just silly or uneducated. No one gets a job in somalia without the say so of a somali. You think people shouldnt realise that and think employment is somehow apportioned by faries lol. (Even the adoon knows that but somehow not you. So are you even better then the adoon)
What does this have to do with Somalis? We are talking about the diaspora. Call me a retard all you want but you must be the bums the article speaks of.
99% of wealth and means beling to them especially in europe so it does sort of have an influence. How honestly can you people be so retartded to not understand that natives of any country hold the sway. You are delusionaly self important. "I qeelbax said google must listen to me when i say i want a job". It that you think life works that way loool.Faraxs now blaming white men? You want to emulate AA men that bad?
Yes and according to you the diaspora have some magical skills to make the natives subject to you. Its honestly hilarious. Jp morgan has been around since like 1540 but you turn up yesterday and you think theres some claim or equity that somalis have claim to. Like theres no selection bias created for the 7000 families between you and when it was created. Like some family hasnt banked there for 300 years and their children dont have a preference before you. That youre ass isnt at the back of the line. That if you do get something its nothing to do with being better then your male somali counterpart. That it might even a be a joke for some of these people. Youre all a joke with your analysis about degrees and education. Like my somali ass wouldnt do the same if the roles were reversed. Give 49k to some white chick and see how long it takes for her to start shi%ting on her husband about "Queen bee". What do i care? she only shopping at the mall my uncle owns on the land my great grandaddy left us. Might even get her son to do the stiches on the handbag to complete her "queen" project.
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johnsepei5
Head of Somalia freemasonry branch
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Plenty of educated Somali boys in uk
Mashallah hopefully they will succede. I just wanted a plat thread.
stfu bro with your mogg and maxxx war naga amus with your incel language
Yeah, I think in Somalia women are raised at home, but men are raised by society/community. But, obviously, the west is a ruthless individualistic society so ..... they tend to just swallow somali men whole. I think somali kids are not raised to thrive in the west in general though, but that could be my own projection because I am spoiled
Yeah, I think in Somalia women are raised at home, but men are raised by society/community. But, obviously, the west is a ruthless individualistic society so ..... they tend to just swallow somali men whole. I think somali kids are not raised to thrive in the west in general though, but that could be my own projection because I am spoiled
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I take the piss too much. It makes me forget I’m actually an incel irl and not a troll
A lot of the stuff people here say is true. Women are more disciplined and are pushed more. But how come other ethnicities that are similar to us like Pakistanis, arabs, Iranian etc are not facing the same issues? Those group of men are more successful than their women however they are not as disciplined as their women.
Honestly, why try to hard in today's world?
Poor people in 1st World countries live better than any king in human history. Life is too easy and comfortable for most people today. They don’t have to work hard to meet their basic needs.
We have clean water for drinking, bathing and clearing waste at any temperature we want (and can control the temperature of are own homes). We have food that is more calorie-dense than anything nature can make. We have more entertainment than we can consume in are lifetime. The list goes on.
Are basic need is not just met. Its beyond met.
Unless they are homeless, it doesn’t seem like anyone can fail in life.
Life is to conformable for your average man. We are too privileged to see and very lucky to be we are in this position to begin with.
Poor people in 1st World countries live better than any king in human history. Life is too easy and comfortable for most people today. They don’t have to work hard to meet their basic needs.
We have clean water for drinking, bathing and clearing waste at any temperature we want (and can control the temperature of are own homes). We have food that is more calorie-dense than anything nature can make. We have more entertainment than we can consume in are lifetime. The list goes on.
Are basic need is not just met. Its beyond met.
Unless they are homeless, it doesn’t seem like anyone can fail in life.
Life is to conformable for your average man. We are too privileged to see and very lucky to be we are in this position to begin with.
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Amber
A blessed human
I don't think so
