What's the point of Somaliland?

[Gantaal97]

It doesnt make sense just cuz some corrupt man did something tht isaaqs get their independence btw some isaaqs oppress nom isaaqs and some isaaqs tht dont want to be part somali land and want to part of somalia and those some corrupt isaaqs take their and put them prison and oppress those tht wear somali flags and dont want to part of somali land

Isaaqs didn't decide it was the whole freaking northern communities that decided to break away and bring back our independent nation

 

[jabsveg276]

There should only be 1 Somali country. Why should western countries pay for more African beggars with bowls? Another independent Somali country will bring no benefit to the world, just more access to aid. Why does Isa have their own nation? They too should be merged with Somalia. Settle your differences and be self sufficient because we are tired of taxpayer funds being flushed down the toilet. If the world is to recognize anyone, it's Taiwan.

You hit the nail on it’s head, good job sxb.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Being same ethnicity doesn't mean we have to be under the same one nation look at the Gulf Arabs who share the same culture and ethnicity and customs yet they rule themselves.

Somalis for generations had their own City states kingdoms or sultanates ruling ourselves and we aren't all the same technically as someone from north have different local customs different from the south and northern nomads never interacted with southern nomad from Hiraan or baidoba. Ethnic Nationalism is dumb

All culture tht somali ppl invented are somali culture same culture can be said every culture but u dl t see them saying ooh look we dont have same customs and we are different

 

[jabsveg276]

Being same ethnicity doesn't mean we have to be under the same one nation look at the Gulf Arabs who share the same culture and ethnicity and customs yet they rule themselves.

Somalis for generations had their own City states kingdoms or sultanates ruling ourselves and we aren't all the same technically as someone from north have different local customs different from the south and northern nomads never interacted with southern nomad from Hiraan or baidoba. Ethnic Nationalism is dumb

Somalis have the same cultures so stop with that B.S. Also, these Arab countries have been separate for thousands of years and look at how they’re destroying each other. Do you want that to happen to us?

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Isaaqs didn't decide it was the whole freaking northern communities that decided to break away and bring back our independent nation

Nope it is not some isaaqs are saying they should have their own country cuz siad have oppress them so it is not all other non isaaqs
Why always isaaqs bring siad every time if it is not some isaaqs tht want seperate land

 

[Gantaal97]

With that logic, all minorities in the U.S should take some American soil and make their own country! Since they're treated like second class citizens. It doesn't make sense, right?

Somaliland was independent state before joining the union with Somalia to form Somali Republic it was at this pretext that Somaliland was declared indpebdent from the rest of somalia and restoring its sovereignty it let go in July 1st 1960

 

[Gantaal97]

Somalis have the same cultures so stop with that B.S. Also, these Arab countries have been separate for thousands of years and look at how they’re destroying each other. Do you want that to happen to us?

Somalis were separate for thousands of years and Gulf countries formed a cooperation council where they work together in economics and defense why not Somali nations be like that??

 

[abdallah]

Whats the point of Somaliland uniting with a wartorn failed state named Somalia again? What would Somaliland benefit from it apart from piracy and terrorism.

Recognition will come one day, even if it takes 100 years we still prefer this status quo as probably Somalia wont recover anytime soon.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Somalis were separate for thousands of years and Gulf countries formed a cooperation council where they work together in economics and defense why not Somali nations be like that??

Freemovement for somali ppl tht can move to others lands

 

[Gantaal97]

Nope it is not some isaaqs are saying they should have their own country cuz siad have oppress them so it is not all other non isaaqs
Why always isaaqs bring siad every time if it is not some isaaqs tht want seperate land

You don't know the history buddy when SNM was fighting the regime it wasn't fighting for separation the issue came in Burco conference in 1991 after the chaos in Xamar with Cali Mahdi unilateral action of forming a govt without consulting SNM and other opposition groups who agreed to come to together in Xamar to establish a transitional govt.

 

[jabsveg276]

Somalis were separate for thousands of years and Gulf countries formed a cooperation council where they work together in economics and defense why not Somali nations be like that??

Somalis were not separate for thousands of years. Otherwise we would be completely different ethnicities and we’d have completely separate genetics. Their is no such thing as “Somali” nations. Somali is an ethnic group/country and being Arab is a culture, ethnic group and identity.

 

[Gantaal97]

Freemovement for somali ppl tht can move to others lands

There's free movement between Somalis between Djibouti and Somaliland and also DDS

 

[jabsveg276]

Whats the point of Somaliland uniting with a wartorn failed state named Somalia again? What would Somaliland benefit from it apart from piracy and terrorism.

Recognition will come one day, even if it takes 100 years we still prefer this status quo as probably Somalia wont recover anytime soon.

All Somalia needs is to fix its government and its leadership and all the investments will flood in. Trust me, if Somalia can do that then Somaliland will want to reunite

 

[Gantaal97]

Somalis were not separate for thousands of years. Otherwise we would be completely different ethnicities and we’d have completely separate genetics. Their is no such thing as “Somali” nations. Somali is an ethnic group/country and being Arab is a culture, ethnic group and identity.

Somalis were never under one rule and no one called for one until 20th century

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

You don't know the history buddy when SNM was fighting the regime it wasn't fighting for separation the issue came in Burco conference in 1991 after the chaos in Xamar with Cali Mahdi unilateral action of forming a govt without consulting SNM and other opposition groups who agreed to come to together in Xamar to establish a transitional govt.

Btw some isaaqs arent innocent s they claim some isaaqs have committed genocide i think https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Dilla_Massacre

 

[jabsveg276]

Somalis were never under one rule and no one called for one until 20th century

Somalis were never under one rule until the 20th century, that is correct. But they were still together and in the same geographical location.

 

[Thugnificent]

I’m 100% serious, I’m Dir so I’m technically a “somalilander” but the whole thing confuses me.

-SL used to be a British colony.
-they gained independence on the promise that they'll unite with Italian somaliland (somalia) in 1960.
-Almost all power was focused in Xamar so they generally felt ignored.
-In 1969 siad barre overthrew the government and became a dictator.
-He actively suppressed all somalis. But he especially saw the north(Somaliland) as a frontier to domesticate.
-He did that by all sorts of actions by killing northern intellectuals and forbidding hargeysa(second biggest city) from having buildings.
-After losing the ogaden war barre losed support and all over somalia rebel groups popped up. In Somaliland that were the SNM.
-He fought back against the rebels with mixed results. So he set out to make the isaaq dominated SNM rebels to be an example.
-In short he genocides the isaaqs in Somaliland and flattened the major cities over there.
-In 1991 Somaliland seceded from somalia.

Thats the history of somaliland somalia relations. Somaliland doesn't only wish independence from somalia because of the genocide they fear getting usurped by the south again. Somalia has a population that's more than twice that of somaliland. So even if the new union is a democratic one it will still be dominated from xamar.

Plus that argument of 'somalis are one people so we should be one nation is flawed' the most somalis were ever united was under the adal and ajuuran sultanetes.
The world is filed with etnic groups spread across boundaries. Both Germany and Austria is inhabited by Germans. Same for north and south Korea. If we look closer all the gulf countries(Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE etc) are cousins.

 

[abdallah]

All Somalia needs is to fix its government and its leadership and all the investments will flood in. Trust me, if Somalia can do that then Somaliland will want to reunite

“all Somalia needs to do is fix it government and leadership” lol it has been 30 years buddy 3 whole decades.

50 thousand foreign troops
Capital city which gets bombed everyday
The central government only controle the capital
The president can’t visit Kismaayo or Bosaso.
Unsafe waters, pirates roam the coastline

its gonna take a very long time the failed state recovers

 

[jabsveg276]

“all Somalia needs to do is fix it government and leadership” lol it has been 30 years buddy 3 whole decades.

50 thousand foreign troops
Capital city which gets bombed everyday
The central government only controle the capital
The president can’t visit Kismaayo or Bosaso.
Unsafe waters, pirates roam the coastline

its gonna take a very long time the failed state recovers

China had to go through 100 years of humility before they could prosper.

 

[Gantaal97]

Btw some isaaqs arent innocent s they claim some isaaqs have committed genocide i think https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Dilla_Massacre
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Lmao that's BS no one killed Samaroon Gadabursi this is exaggeration made up stuff lol do you know the second commander of SNM was samaroon Gadabursi??
Dilla incident happened when faqash forces were seen retreating to Dilla town with heavy weapons and a faction of SNM chased them and fighting broke out and when the news reached to SNM leaders a ceasefire was called and the elders of samaroon met with isaaq elders to end the hostilities between pro faqash forces in Awdal and SNM forces.