Was Siyaad Barre a snake?

[mr steal your naag]

This Marehan guy called Warsame from the UK, who is an extreme Kacaanist and historical revisionist, wrote a biography of his late, disgraced uncle.
He is half Isaaq ironically.

Someone should write the true story.

Lol if you have a link on the bio of him or the book drop it here

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Lol if you have a link on the bio of him or the book drop it here

The guy who wrote it used the name "Warsame101" on Somali forums, but his real name is the author name on the book:

This is his organisation:

https://twitter.com/SomaliFaces

Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre

www.google.co.uk

 

[Periplus]

The guy who wrote it used the name "Warsame101" on Somali forums, but his real name is the author name on the book:

This is his organisation:

https://twitter.com/SomaliFaces

Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre

www.google.co.uk

The publisher is called Cirfe publications.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I would love to write books on these topics:

1. The formation of Somalia: The history of Somaliweyn, SYL and the British

2. The SYL administration

3. Barre's coup and his early years.

These three topics are the most whitewashed periods of Somali history. Many people do not accurately know how Somalia obtained independence, how the two colonies formed Somalia as well as how Barre got power.

What needs to be investigated and discussed is how relaxed Somalis are about ethnic cleansing. For example, a dictator slaughters people, his clansmen celebrate his actions and then people who hail from the wronged clan fraternise with the perpetrators.

This is what unsettles me, these horrific crimes are committed and in quick succession, are followed by marriage and friendship, instead of accountability and distancing from such people.

Look at that Kacaaanist who wrote the Siad Barre Biography, he openly operates in Puntland with his "Somali Faces" organisation and I assume, he himself, went to Puntland and he wasn't locked up.

People refuse to hold such people accountable and Somalis are still surprised when clan wars break out. This is why Somalia will always be a tense country in a perpetual cold war.

 

[Periplus]

What needs to be investigated and discussed is how blase and relaxed Somalis are about ethnic cleansing. For example, a dictator slaughters people, his clansmen celebrate his actions and then people who hail from the wronged clan, "forgive" and actually fraternise with the perpetrators.

This is what unsettles me, these horrific crimes are committed and in quick succession, are followed by marriage and friendship.

Look at that Kacaaanist who wrote the Siad Barre Biography, he openly operates in Puntland and presumable, he himself, went to Puntland and he wasn't locked up.

People refuse to hold such people accountable.

I think Somalia requires a Truth and Reconciliation Commission similar to that of South Africa's to uncover every atrocity from the Kacaan.

This will allow Somalis to trust one another again.

The problem under the Kacaan was everyone was a victim. Let me finish.

Barre was very good at painting different pictures for different tribes.

When Majeerteen were his enemies, he claimed that Ethiopia snuck in fighters into Mudug. When they became his allies, he told them to protect him as qaraabo.

For Mareexan, he told them that they would marginalised under any other government. He also told them that any qabiil that he attacked were seeking to undermine his rule and place their clan back at the bottom.

Problem is that during Barre's time, he had such a stranglehold on information and news that whatever he told communities became the truth until 1991.

 

[Periplus]

Already said some of this point but to expand....

Many people claim the Somali script to be Barre's greatest gift to Somalia. However, there is a problem.

The SYL already received a parliamentary commissions findings into implementing the Italian script 10 years before Barre decided to. However, it could not pass parliament as the choice of script split the parliament. Under the Kacaan, Siyaad was able to implement the findings without debate.

Here is the US Library of Congress dossier asserting that the SYL already chose Latin as the script in 1962.

A few months after independence, the Somali Language Committee was appointed to investigate the best means of writing Somali. The committee considered nine scripts, including Arabic, Latin, and various indigenous scripts. Its report, issued in 1962, favored the Latin script, which the committee regarded as the best suited to represent the phonemic structure of Somali and flexible enough to be adjusted for the dialects. Facility with a Latin system, moreover, offered obvious advantages to those who sought higher education outside the country. Modern printing equipment would also be more easily and reasonably available for Latin type. Existing Somali grammars prepared by foreign scholars, although outdated for modern teaching methods, would give some initial advantage in the preparation of teaching materials. Disagreement had been so intense among opposing factions, however, that no action was taken to adopt a standard script, although successive governments continued to reiterate their intention to resolve the issue.

After implementing the Latin script, Barre claimed it would prevent government jobs only going to Italian or English speaking Somalis. However, almost all qualified Somalis spoke either or both of these languages. Mind you, colonisation was a decade ago and schools in Somalia taught in both languages. Therefore, anyone who was unable to speak either language did not have a school education.

Instead, by implementing the Latin script, Barre was able to hire unqualified individuals who could not speak either English or Italian to the ministry and civil service positions. This increased incompetence in the Kacaan as many subordinates in ministries were not hired because of education but rather their familial connections.

 

[reer]

Already said some of this point but to expand....

Many people claim the Somali script to be Barre's greatest gift to Somalia. However, there is a problem.

The SYL already received a parliamentary commissions findings into implementing the Italian script 10 years before Barre decided to. However, it could not pass parliament as the choice of script split the parliament. Under the Kacaan, Siyaad was able to implement the findings without debate.

Here is the US Library of Congress dossier asserting that the SYL already chose Latin as the script in 1962.




After implementing the Latin script, Barre claimed it would prevent government jobs only going to Italian or English speaking Somalis. However, almost all qualified Somalis spoke either or both of these languages.

Instead, by implementing the Latin script, Barre was able to hire unqualified individuals who could not speak either English or Italian to the ministry and civil service positions. This increased incompetence in the Kacaan as many subordinates in ministries were not hired because of education but rather their familial connections.

siad barre was a simple man in his forst part. he saw the civilian government being undermined and undecisive on writing so he got his weapons and said this is the script ninka rabin tough luck we are ciidamada.

 

[Periplus]

siad barre was a simple man in his forst part. he saw the civilian government being undermined and undecisive on writing so he got his weapons and said this is the script ninka rabin tough luck we are ciidamada.

The point is that the script was already chosen and the alphabet was already created.

Barre just had the means to pass the legislation as he had no opposition.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The point is that the script was already chosen and the alphabet was already created.

Barre just had the means to pass the legislation as he had no opposition.

So who really prepared the script?

 

[reer]

The point is that the script was already chosen and the alphabet was already created.

Barre just had the means to pass the legislation as he had no opposition.

because he was askari. who would undermine his decisions?
-being able to be undermined (slow down decisions)
-lack of respect for the government
-being non aligned
-chaotic democracy
-capitalism but no class struggle like europe
these factors meant that the civilian government was susceptible to a cold war coup.
then after the coup
-dawladd cant be undermined
-respect for government out of respect or fear or both
-join the eastern bloc
-no democracy
-crackdown on mucaarad
-mild socialism

so jaalle siad took a radical stance.

 

[Periplus]

So who really prepared the script?

Pre-independence, the SYL printed pages of their newspaper in Somali with the Latin script.

Upon election, they promised to create a commission into a new script for Somali. In 1962, the commission recommends Latin. SYL promises to pass the legislation but there was too much opposition. In 1966, the UNESCO Linguistics Commission said they thought Latin should be the script for Somali.

Also, should be noted that Arabic was traditionally the script used for Somali. The wadaads were furious that the SYL were considering Latin (the gaal script) over Arabic. They implemented a campaign of linking the Latin script to kufr which scared off many xildhibaan.

Fast forward to 1972, Barre is in power and decides to end it once and for all. He simply implements the 1962 commission findings and hails himself the saviour of the Somali language.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Pre-independence, the SYL printed pages of their newspaper in Somali with the Latin script.

Upon election, they promised to create a commission into a new script for Somali. In 1962, the commission recommends Latin. SYL promises to pass the legislation but there was too much opposition. In 1966, the UNESCO Linguistics Commission said they thought Latin should be the script for Somali.

Also, should be noted that Arabic was traditionally the script used for Somali. The wadaads were furious that the SYL were considering Latin (the gaal script) over Arabic. They implemented a campaign of linking the Latin script to kufr which scared off many xildhibaan.

Fast forward to 1972, Barre is in power and decides to end it once and for all. He simply implements the 1962 commission findings and hails himself the saviour of the Somali language.

Why do kacaanists claim this man spearheaded this:

Shire Jama Ahmed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gantaal97]

I honestly believe he was wadani, that car accident messed him up though. He wasn't running the country after that's for sure.

Lmao he went mad after 1978 war where he became paranoid about his power in fear of being couped out of seat and started killing Somali military commanders and targeting their tribes to ensure loyalty and control but that backfired against him when when the northern elders unanimously joined the opposition making the north a hostile region and difficult to hold since many officers coming from the north defected to the opposition camp too.

 

[Gantaal97]

Why do kacaanists claim this man spearheaded this:

Shire Jama Ahmed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cuz of qabayaled he's MX but the one responsible for the creation of latin alphabet for Somali was Muuse Xaaji Galal a HJ linguistic who worked on Somali language since the 50s

 

[Periplus]

Why do kacaanists claim this man spearheaded this:

Shire Jama Ahmed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was a member of the committee who was pro-Latin script. He helped formed the current script but was not the developer by any means.

Cuz of qabayaled he's MX but the one responsible for the creation of latin alphabet for Somali was Muuse Xaaji Galal a HJ linguistic who worked on Somali language since the 50s

If I am correct, Galal was responsible for re-developing the Arab script. He was part of the committee but was pro-Arabic script.

The Galal script is named after him and he wrote a book on SL using Arabic script.

If he supported Latin script later, then fair enough but I am sure he was pro-Arabic script for years.

 

[Gantaal97]

He was a member of the committee who was pro-Latin script. He helped formed the current script but was not the developer by any means.



If I am correct, Galal was responsible for re-developing the Arab script. He was part of the committee but was pro-Arabic script.

The Galal script is named after him and he wrote a book on SL using Arabic script.

If he supported Latin script later, then fair enough but I am sure he was pro-Arabic script for years.

He improved the Arabic script and Latin for the Somali language

 

[Periplus]

He improved the Arabic script and Latin for the Somali language

Fair enough, I knew he was on the SYL committee and improved the Arabic script.

Did not know about his work on the Latin script.

 

[Calaf]

I do not think he had a hand in Sharmarke's death. The coup was ready to go at any time and the assassination was their opening to seize power.

However, I think the USSR dealt with General Daud so that Barre could take over from him.

The problem with USSR and General Daud AUN was that there was a difference of 4 years between his death and the 21 October coup. General Daud AUN was in the nation during the 1964 Border wars, and so it would have not made sense that his death was pre planned with that much of a gap.

His death was stated during "Military Training". What does that mean, did he die during training or whilst training. There are some topics missing, and it requires deeper reading about it. Why go to Moscow after the war? He was commander in chief after the war , and had trained with the Italians before independence, so why Moscow? It requires further reading and deep critical thinking in order to make sense.

But there is a small issue with the Wikipedia page of General Daud

Siad Barre the President of Somalia at the time, upon hearing the loss of General daud, said “The Somali Military, today lost its father”. His colleagues referred to him as staunch nationalist, a hero of the Somali nation, who never faltered in his duty and cause. He retains the respect of all Somali military personnel.

Siad wasn't President at the time. So that means Aden Adde AUN was President at the time, and not Siad.

 

[Calaf]

In my somewhat qualified opinion, Barre was incapable of leadership. His two major achievements were: the Somali script and the drought of the 1970's.

Between 1969 and 1977, Somalia foreign policy and public works was great. Joining the Arab League and a major communication overhaul. It made Somalia somewhat known on the world stage. 1970 drought was somewhat subdued (compared to how it affected Africa during the same, and how 1991 drought affected Somalia) due to the nationalising of the economy. But unfortunately, due to a lack of prevention, a 74 drought occurred, which hit Somalia fairly hard. From 1977, it was a major downward trajectory. Nothing well occurred after the 77 war. You could say that was the start of the end. Overall, it was a mistake, a big mistake going to war. The leadership from there onwards was unfortunately marred with so much problems.

 

[Psychologist]

he was good and bad, He wasn't fighting against innocent people but armed niggas. he could have done something before that happened tho