The Sun orbits the Earth, and the Moon does too.

Theres a big difference. Saying we came from apes has got to do with discrediting Gods creation of us.
Dinosaurs are irrelevant to religion, why make it up
It's literally the stepping stones for making us discredit God. First they waffle about us orbiting the Sun, and then they go on with the dinosaurs, and then we came from apes, then Big Bang Theory, and then the "this is all a simulation" bullshit, and it just keeps going. Sorry, but I never said that dinosaurs 100% never existed, because only Allah knows and only Allah can tell us, and since He didn't I don't 100% believe or not believe in it. I know Angels for example, exist because Allah told me. I have never seen them with my 2 eyes. Just like Prophet Muhammad or the Jinn. I have never seen either of them yet I still believe because Allah told me. Likewise with the Sun orbiting the Earth, I cannot jump into space and see if the Sun is orbiting the Earth, but I know because ALLAH TOLD ME. And Allah doesn't lie. So therefore, a lot of this scientific stuff cannot be 100% believed if Allah either:
1. Never told us if it is true, or
2. Said something completely different debunking the claims of the scientists.
Oh, and by the way, the scientists you are supporting were created. BY ALLAH. So they can obviously make mistakes, and especially since the majority are Atheists and Satanists, they will lie to get their own way. Just saying.
 
well let's bring in a scholar then. here is the fatwa of Sheikh Uthaymeen:

"
Question: Does the Sun revolve around the earth?



It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meaning of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. (Meaning we cant interpret metaphorically)
Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

Allah, the Most High says, that when Ibrahim, peace be upon him, disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:
Verily, Allah bring the sun from the east; then bring it you from the west. Al-Baqarah 2:259

He also tells us that Ibrahim, peace be upon him said:
When he saw the sun rising up, he said: This is my lord. This is greater. But when it set, he said: O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partner (in worship with Allah). Al-Anam 6:78

Allah the most High says:
And you might have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left. Al-Kahf 18:17

Allah, the Most High says:
And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. Al-Anbiya 21:33

And Allah, the Most High says:
He brings the nigh as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly. Al-Araf 7:54

Allah the Most high says:
he has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And he has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the OftForgiving. Az-Zumar 39:5

And His Words: "He makes the night to go in the day.

That is it turns around it, as a turban is wrapped around, which proves the revolving of the night and the day around the eary. If it were the earth which revolved around them, He would have said: He cause the earth to revolve around the night and day. And in His Words:

the sun and the moon, each running (on a fixed course).

It is clear from what precedes is that it is a proof that the sun and the moon move in a perceptible orbit, because subjecting something which moves to its movement is more apparent than subjecting something stationary which does not move.

Allah, the Most High says:
By the sun and its brightness. By the moon as it follows it (the sun). Ash-Shams 91:1-2

And the meaning of follows it.

Is that it comes after it and this is a proof of their moving and revolving around the earth, for if it were the earth which revolved around them, the moon would not be following the sun; rather it would sometimes be following it and sometimes it would be followed by it because the sun is higher than it. And deduction from this Verse requires study and reflection.

Allah the most High says: And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing. And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse) till it returns like the old drid curved date statlk. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit. Ya-Seen 36:38-40
So, attributing the movement to the sun and describing it as a Decree from the Almighty, Most Wise proves that it is a real movement with a far-reaching Decree, since the consequence of it is the alternation of the night and day and the seasons.



The Measures of the moons mansion (i.e. stations) is a proof that it traverses them, for if it was the earth which revolves, the measuring of the mansions would be for the earths movement around the moon and not for the moons movement around it.



And negating the suns ability to overtake the moon, and the nights ability to outstrip the day are evidence of the rushing movement on the part of the sun and the moon, and the night and the day.

The Prophet (Sallah Allahu Alyhe wa Sallam) said to Abu Tharr, May Allah be please with him, when the sun had just set:
Do you know where it goes?

He said, Allah and His Messenger know best. He said:

Verily, it goes (i.e. travels) and it prostrates beneath the Throne and seeks permission to rise, and permission is granted to it. Then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered: Return from whence you came, and so it will rise in the west. [Reported in Al-Bukhari in the Book of the Beginning of Creation, in the Chapter: Description of the Sun and Moon (3199) and by Muslim in the Book of Faith, in the Chapter: Explanation of the Time When Faith Will not be Accepted (150).]

So and it is extremely clear from his words: Return from whence you came that it revolves around the earth and through its revolving the sunrise and sunset occur.

It is clear from the many Ahadith which attribute rising, setting, and declining from its zenith to the sun, that it is the sun which does so and not the earth.


There are most probably other proofs that are not present with me at the moment, but what I have mentioned is a summary of the subject, and it is sufficient for my purpose. And Allah is the granter of success."
I respect his opinion as a scholar but that is not objective fact other schools have disagreed with this. I do not take this opinion.
 
well let's bring in a scholar then. here is the fatwa of Sheikh Uthaymeen:

"
Question: Does the Sun revolve around the earth?



It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meaning of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. (Meaning we cant interpret metaphorically)
Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

Allah, the Most High says, that when Ibrahim, peace be upon him, disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:
Verily, Allah bring the sun from the east; then bring it you from the west. Al-Baqarah 2:259

He also tells us that Ibrahim, peace be upon him said:
When he saw the sun rising up, he said: This is my lord. This is greater. But when it set, he said: O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partner (in worship with Allah). Al-Anam 6:78

Allah the most High says:
And you might have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left. Al-Kahf 18:17

Allah, the Most High says:
And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. Al-Anbiya 21:33

And Allah, the Most High says:
He brings the nigh as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly. Al-Araf 7:54

Allah the Most high says:
he has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And he has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the OftForgiving. Az-Zumar 39:5

And His Words: "He makes the night to go in the day.

That is it turns around it, as a turban is wrapped around, which proves the revolving of the night and the day around the eary. If it were the earth which revolved around them, He would have said: He cause the earth to revolve around the night and day. And in His Words:

the sun and the moon, each running (on a fixed course).

It is clear from what precedes is that it is a proof that the sun and the moon move in a perceptible orbit, because subjecting something which moves to its movement is more apparent than subjecting something stationary which does not move.

Allah, the Most High says:
By the sun and its brightness. By the moon as it follows it (the sun). Ash-Shams 91:1-2

And the meaning of follows it.

Is that it comes after it and this is a proof of their moving and revolving around the earth, for if it were the earth which revolved around them, the moon would not be following the sun; rather it would sometimes be following it and sometimes it would be followed by it because the sun is higher than it. And deduction from this Verse requires study and reflection.

Allah the most High says: And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing. And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse) till it returns like the old drid curved date statlk. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit. Ya-Seen 36:38-40
So, attributing the movement to the sun and describing it as a Decree from the Almighty, Most Wise proves that it is a real movement with a far-reaching Decree, since the consequence of it is the alternation of the night and day and the seasons.



The Measures of the moons mansion (i.e. stations) is a proof that it traverses them, for if it was the earth which revolves, the measuring of the mansions would be for the earths movement around the moon and not for the moons movement around it.



And negating the suns ability to overtake the moon, and the nights ability to outstrip the day are evidence of the rushing movement on the part of the sun and the moon, and the night and the day.

The Prophet (Sallah Allahu Alyhe wa Sallam) said to Abu Tharr, May Allah be please with him, when the sun had just set:
Do you know where it goes?

He said, Allah and His Messenger know best. He said:

Verily, it goes (i.e. travels) and it prostrates beneath the Throne and seeks permission to rise, and permission is granted to it. Then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered: Return from whence you came, and so it will rise in the west. [Reported in Al-Bukhari in the Book of the Beginning of Creation, in the Chapter: Description of the Sun and Moon (3199) and by Muslim in the Book of Faith, in the Chapter: Explanation of the Time When Faith Will not be Accepted (150).]

So and it is extremely clear from his words: Return from whence you came that it revolves around the earth and through its revolving the sunrise and sunset occur.

It is clear from the many Ahadith which attribute rising, setting, and declining from its zenith to the sun, that it is the sun which does so and not the earth.


There are most probably other proofs that are not present with me at the moment, but what I have mentioned is a summary of the subject, and it is sufficient for my purpose. And Allah is the granter of success."
Thank you so much walaal, its honestly tiring me trying to make these people believe in Allah over science.
 
I respect his opinion as a scholar but that is not objective fact other schools have disagreed with this. I do not take this opinion.

I had to google the source for the fatwa you posted and I have no idea who this is:


apparently this is Shaykh Abdul Raheem Limbada.

I have no idea who that is. I'm going with the major scholars- Sheikh Uthaymeen, Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Fawzan, I'm not going with this guy I've never heard of. Islamqa.org if I remember right they even promote mawlid. islamqa.com has some good stuff but the .org site seems to be run by completely different people and is unreliable.

you say "oh there are different schools". well there is a school were they worship Ali! just because there is a school where they worship Ali does that mean it is okay to worship Ali? no, you go with the scholars- and you go with the major scholars, not these unknowns like this "Shaykh Abdul Raheem Limbada".
 
I had to google the source for the fatwa you posted and I have no idea who this is:


apparently this is Shaykh Abdul Raheem Limbada.

I have no idea who that is. I'm going with the major scholars- Sheikh Uthaymeen, Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Fawzan, I'm not going with this guy I've never heard of. Islamqa.org if I remember right they even promote mawlid. islamqa.com has some good stuff but the .org site seems to be run by completely different people and is unreliable.

you say "oh there are different schools". well there is a school were they worship Ali! just because there is a school where they worship Ali does that mean it is okay to worship Ali? no, you go with the scholars- and you go with the major scholars, not these unknowns like this "Shaykh Abdul Raheem Limbada".
I understand you follow the major scholars but I do not take there opinion on Ikhtilaaf as the total truth
Im not saying it s impossible the sun rotates the earth, but forcing ur interpretation as the only true answer is wrong
 
Yes but not all major scholars agree on these issues.

pretty much all the major scholars agree on the sun revolving around the earth. the only major scholar I know of who disagreed was Sheikh Albaani but Albaani sometimes did make mistakes and Sheikh Uthaymeen proved his position based on the Quran. it is an indisputable fact known from the Quran that the sun revolves around the earth.
 
pretty much all the major scholars agree on the sun revolving around the earth. the only major scholar I know of who disagreed was Sheikh Albaani but Albaani sometimes did make mistakes and Sheikh Uthaymeen proved his position based on the Quran. it is an indisputable fact known from the Quran that the sun revolves around the earth.
"Pretty much all major scholars"
Other than Sheikh albani, ibn baz, or sheikh uthaymeen, can u provide any scholars who also believed this.
 

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I'm not one hundred percent for sure but I don't think dinosaurs were real. If I recall correctly- no one had ever talked about dinosaurs prior to the 1800's and in fact I don't think they were "discovered" until after Darwinism. I don't think there was any discovery of these alleged fossils until the 1800's and I think the whole dinosaur thing is just Darwinist propaganda.
Dinosaurs are fake lol only suddenly “discovered” when evolution theory needed it

 
"Pretty much all major scholars"
Other than Sheikh albani, ibn baz, or sheikh uthaymeen, can u provide any scholars who also believed this.

I don't think that's how it works. In the days of Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah (for example), I don't think there was any dispute on the subject. Come and show any major scholar besides Sheikh Albaani who claimed the contrary.
 

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