Somalis should...

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...follow the example of the ancient Greek city-states or Polis. Clearly, we hate and distrust eachother too much to form a centralised state. It says a lot when we are bordered by huge multi-ethnic countries with bigger populations and yet we're the failed state.

Every tuulo or region should be governed by it's own people with it's own laws, administration, police and army. It should collect it's own taxes and use it's own revenue to fund it's own projects. AID money should be stopped, or distributed proportionally according to population and poverty levels. These states would have their own currency, civil and criminal laws and economic organisation. We should promote democracy and transparency. Any state which promotes values contrary to these or becomes belligerent should be sanctioned and ostracized by all the other states.

The only things Somalis should come together in is with national defense. A joint NATO-type organisation where we pool our resources and weapons, with an elected head every 4 years. Djibouti could join this hypothetical organisation as well.

In order to foster Somali brotherhood, we could have sports/cultural events and competitions every few years hosted in a different city, sort of like a Somali Olympics.

What do you think? I'm asking the level headed political pundits here not the kids that masterbate to the boney blue flag and photos of Siad Barre.
 

Garaad Darawiish

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...follow the example of the ancient Greek city-states or Polis. Clearly, we hate and distrust eachother too much to form a centralised state. It says a lot when we are bordered by huge multi-ethnic countries with bigger populations and yet we're the failed state.

Every tuulo or region should be governed by it's own people with it's own laws, administration, police and army. It should collect it's own taxes and use it's own revenue to fund it's own projects. AID money should be stopped, or distributed proportionally according to population and poverty levels. These states would have their own currency, civil and criminal laws and economic organisation. We should promote democracy and transparency. Any state which promotes values contrary to these or becomes belligerent should be sanctioned and ostracized by all the other states.

The only things Somalis should come together in is with national defense. A joint NATO-type organisation where we pool our resources and weapons, with an elected head every 4 years. Djibouti could join this hypothetical organisation as well.

In order to foster Somali brotherhood, we could have sports/cultural events and competitions every few years hosted in a different city, sort of like a Somali Olympics.

What do you think? I'm asking the level headed political pundits here not the kids that masterbate to the boney blue flag and photos of Siad Barre.
You are alluding to hardline anarchism. It will just make us even more vulnerable to foreign exploitation.
 

MadNomad

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I don't believe this will work. The world is moving forward and you want us to move backwards thousands of years.

If states want to self rule, fine. But we should come together on matters such as building a national army. sharing natural resources etc.

Small city states on their own will inevitably fall under never ending foreign influence.
 
It won't happen , somalia will either unite or die. There is no inbetween. The world doesn't w8 for the weak and poor it moves forward.
 

DR OSMAN

AF NAAREED
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I agree with prince. We need a NATO pact among our states not just 'military' but also 'political' 'economical'. PACTS are not just intended for military. You can have economic pacts, political pacts, military pacts. We will need all of that to occur. To restore trust we need a get out clause if someone violates any of the pact or a join military or political resolution when any of the agreements are violated. That's basically how our nomads work together. They live separately and rule themselves but have a pact 'xeer' so to speak on matters of land, crimes, legal, etc. We honestly cannot operate any different to the culture that spawned us and owns our mind till this day. You can take the somali of being a nomad on a camel but u cant take the nomad out of the somali. No matter where they live, farms, cities, diaspora. They still think exactly like them. The reason being our whole culture was spawned from them.

I think we will be a strong state if we have pacts among ourselves, this will kill the lack of trust among us. We somalis want no accountability and there is no way trust among us will return if there is no accountability. Bribing of mps, judges, politicians, law enforcement u think this is going to help bring somalis closer together? it will just make us more suspicious of each other and work against each other just like we are now. But if we had pacts that said if you fail to fulfill your requirements in the pact, you will get attacked politically(your govt mandate will be taken from u), economically sanctioned, and finally military response by all somalis uniting to defend their national agreement from collapsing. Similar to what americans do. After a long protracted war between the north and south, they wrote a constitution and said anyone who breaches it 'states must pick up arms' and fight the federal authorities and if states fail to agree on picking up arms they have a right to 'secede'. Thats why southern states are given the option of secession. This is done so to bring back trust. We need something like that in our pacts. Where a Majerten in PL wont fear a Hawiye in mogadishu if he breaks the agreement he will exercise first political resolution-economic one- finally military one and if all fails he will just say 'GOODBYE' give me my secession cause u failed to honor your side of the deal. This can be done by not just majerten but by any clan who has been violated. This will bring back strong trust and we will work together.

But this garbage of singing somali toosoo and holding the blue flag we been doing that shit for 20 years and we are still in the same position where we were before. Time for new direction!!!
 

Apollo

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What is really going to happen, instead of all these fantasies:

EU type of integration with all the Bantu countries to our South in the guise of ''economic development''. No city-states, just the current Somalia with loss of sovereignty to a regional body.
 

DR OSMAN

AF NAAREED
VIP
What is really going to happen, instead of all these fantasies:

EU type of integration with all the Bantu countries to our South in the guise of ''economic development''. No city-states, just the current Somalia with loss of sovereignty to a regional body.
This is a better option at least we can survive in another country and work on taking over their economy like the jews did when they had no state. But the current status quo is unacceptable. I prefer joining another country and regrouping and taking economic influence in another country and survive that way. you either adapt and find new ways to survive but if u remain in the status quo and dont change you will die out. Time doesnt stop for no man!!!
 

Agent 47

21st Divsion of Somali National Army
...follow the example of the ancient Greek city-states or Polis. Clearly, we hate and distrust eachother too much to form a centralised state. It says a lot when we are bordered by huge multi-ethnic countries with bigger populations and yet we're the failed state.

Every tuulo or region should be governed by it's own people with it's own laws, administration, police and army. It should collect it's own taxes and use it's own revenue to fund it's own projects. AID money should be stopped, or distributed proportionally according to population and poverty levels. These states would have their own currency, civil and criminal laws and economic organisation. We should promote democracy and transparency. Any state which promotes values contrary to these or becomes belligerent should be sanctioned and ostracized by all the other states.

The only things Somalis should come together in is with national defense. A joint NATO-type organisation where we pool our resources and weapons, with an elected head every 4 years. Djibouti could join this hypothetical organisation as well.

In order to foster Somali brotherhood, we could have sports/cultural events and competitions every few years hosted in a different city, sort of like a Somali Olympics.

What do you think? I'm asking the level headed political pundits here not the kids that masterbate to the boney blue flag and photos of Siad Barre.
This is great idea, every clan declare their own country then we can create a joint defense like NATO:fittytousand:
 

DR OSMAN

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This is great idea, every clan declare their own country then we can create a joint defense like NATO:fittytousand:
No we cant be separate countries. Thats not how the nomads work. They have a 'xeer' a uniting system. They dont have 100's of different xeer(which would mean different country). A country is based on a system. We have one system that works and proven to work for centuries it's time we actually apply it. The whole problem with somalis is they have never applied it, they have always inherited a foreign system. Western-Middle eastern islamism-Russian communism. We have always used a foreign xeer and thats why we failed. It's time to drop that and use our local xeer as the framework on how to structure our government system.
 

Apollo

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Freedom of movement and a Single Market with Nilotics and Bantus coming your way soon.




Might seem crazy now, but it's going to happen.
 

DR OSMAN

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I studied our xeer the real one and it is a mix of federal-central-secession. The federal part is how each clan rules it's own affairs at the local stage. The central part is how resources are shared like land, water wells. The secession part is exercised when the 'xeer' is violated for example they resort back to their grazing land not allowing another clan into their territories. We need to structure our government with those ingredients and watch all somalis enjoy confidence again in their country.
 

Agent 47

21st Divsion of Somali National Army
No we cant be separate countries. Thats not how the nomads work. They have a 'xeer' a uniting system. They dont have 100's of different xeer(which would mean different country). A country is based on a system. We have one system that works and proven to work for centuries it's time we actually apply it. The whole problem with somalis is they have never applied it, they have always inherited a foreign system. Western-Middle eastern islamism-Russian communism. We have always used a foreign xeer and thats why we failed. It's time to drop that and use our local xeer as the framework on how to structure our government system.
We already have Puntland who acts like a separate country. How the f*ck can a state cut ties with the federal government. Federlism is fruad and run by people who don't know the rules.
 

DR OSMAN

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We already have Puntland who acts like a separate country. How the f*ck can a state cut ties with the federal government. Federlism is fruad and run by people who don't know the rules.
So if the feds break agreements, do we just sit there and watch it? or if the states break agreements, do we just sit there and watch it? where is the accountability. No accountability no trust, just endless wars and seeking foreign powers to come inside the country to begin a proxy war!!! if thats your solution then you need your head re-examined!!! The issue isn't puntland or the feds. The issue is there is no accountability in our system!!! untill we set that up your wasting your time pointing fingers!!!
 
What is really going to happen, instead of all these fantasies:

EU type of integration with all the Bantu countries to our South in the guise of ''economic development''. No city-states, just the current Somalia with loss of sovereignty to a regional body.
We will become fully "bantusized"
:drakelaugh::chrisfreshhah:
 

Agent 47

21st Divsion of Somali National Army
So if the feds break agreements, do we just sit there and watch it? or if the states break agreements, do we just sit there and watch it? where is the accountability. No accountability no trust, just endless wars and seeking foreign powers to come inside the country to begin a proxy war!!! if thats your solution then you need your head re-examined!!! The issue isn't puntland or the feds. The issue is there is no accountability in our system!!! untill we set that up your wasting your time pointing fingers!!!
but that is literally being independent, hold talks with the government other than threatening to cut ties to get what you want. "We will cut ties if you don't give us that" It's like two independent countries cutting ties:faysalwtf:
 

Maxamed bin Harti

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Great, the OP is bringing ideas instead of the usual riyo i see here. Reality is we cannot function together.




We already have Puntland who acts like a separate country. How the f*ck can a state cut ties with the federal government. Federlism is fruad and run by people who don't know the rules.
We are a separate country ******
 
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