Somali with E-M293

[Cuneo]

@Cuneo,

Yes that is also what it seems to me or 60/40.


Best,

Faahiye

Yea, with more testing it could change to 60/40.

T seems to be the original lineage.

 

[Faahiye]

I can't see the paternal haplotype bro. Does it advance or deny the different haplotypes for hunter-gatherer-type clan names?

@Shibbane,

He mentions in the comments that he is E-V32. Also I don't think clans with those types of names will yield unique results.


Best,

Faahiye

 

[Faahiye]

Cimraan and sanbuur aren't hj

@Mahamed,

Interesting, I thought they were. I thought there was a story or something about how they are also hj.


Best,

Faahiye

 

[Cuneo]

So the Yibir being Somalinized jews wasn’t a joke

Some of them look way more Caucasoid than Somalis, with fair skin, sharp features and very soft hair. I’ve seen one with the classic Semitic hook nose!

Anything is possible.

The Somali singer Nimo Yasin is allegedly Yibir.

 

[Cuneo]

Degodia and Garre in the NFD aren't really proper Somali.

Garre, Tunni, Jiddo, Degodia are pre Samaale, an intermediate between proto Somalis and modern Somalis.

 

[Apollo]

I can't see the paternal haplotype bro. Does it advance or deny the different haplotypes for hunter-gatherer-type clan names?

Darods with that -yahan name are rather normative genetically, nothing special about them really. It is just an ornamental name.

The only Somali I have seen with a potential pre-Cushitic Somali hunter-gatherer lineage was an Isaaq with E-V16/E-M281, which is actually kind of cool, but it's very rare.

 

[Reformed J]

Garre, Tunni, Jiddo, Degodia are pre Samaale, an intermediate between proto Somalis and modern Somalis.

Agreed. Add Rahanweyn and Rendille into those groups.

 

[Faahiye]

Yea, with more testing it could change to 60/40.

T seems to be the original lineage.

@Cuneo,

We need more testing on the smaller subclans like tol jeclo and Ayuub aswell. Most so far are gx, ha and ha.


Best,

Faahiye

 

[Shibbane]

Garre, Tunni, Jiddo, Degodia are pre Samaale, an intermediate between proto Somalis and modern Somalis.

I doubt that given their genetic material is not older than other Somalis.

 

[Cuneo]

@Cuneo,

We need more testing on the smaller subclans like tol jeclo and Ayuub aswell. Most so far are gx, ha and ha.


Best,

Faahiye

The Toljelo and Ayub results so far are T-M70 (Y16897).

 

[The Somali Caesar]

Cimraan and sanbuur aren't hj

Technically you’re right but they come under the HJ umbrella they’re too laangaab to stand on their own.

 

[Cuneo]

I doubt that given their genetic material is not older than other Somalis.

It means they existed in the south before the arrival of other Somalis hence intermediate.

 

[Reformed J]

It means they existed in the south before the arrival of other Somalis hence intermediate.

They're parallel sister groups from a common branch rather than intermediates.

 

[Faahiye]

Darods with that -yahan name are rather normative genetically, nothing special about them really. It is just an ornamental name.

The only Somali I have seen with a potential pre-Cushitic Somali hunter-gatherer lineage was an Isaaq with E-V16/E-M281, which is actually kind of cool, but it's very rare.

@Apollo,

Yeah yahan type names shouldn't have different results. In the ftdna project theres an isaaq with it that got T. Also I think your talking about geeljire sanbuur. Very interesting result.


Best,

Faahiye

 

[Cuneo]

They're parallel sister groups from a common branch rather than intermediates.

That could also be the case.

 

[Shibbane]

It means they existed in the south before the arrival of other Somalis hence intermediate.

Not according to Somali history. Please see Abdalla Mansur's book. Their fouding fathers moved down south (from Sool/Sanaag/Nugaal) around same time as old man Hawiye. Gravesites also up north just like the others.

 

[Mahamed]

Some of them look way more Caucasoid than Somalis, with fair skin, sharp features and very soft hair. I’ve seen one with the classic Semitic hook nose!

Anything is possible.

The Somali singer Nimo Yasin is allegedly Yibir.

I think she is tumaal not yibir

 

[Cuneo]

I think she is tumaal not yibir

She is Anaas which is another term used by Isaaq for Yibir people.

 

[Cuneo]

Not according to Somali history. Please see Abdalla Mansur's book. Their fouding fathers moved down south (from Sool/Sanaag/Nugaal) around same time as old man Hawiye. Gravesites also up north just like the others.

Somali oral history is problematic.

I’ll check out that book.

 

[Mahamed]

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What kind of hj have you seen? with haplogroup E