So who were Somalis 5000 years ago?

[Apollo]

I really like to know how you could tell if Somalis became Somalis 3500 years ago? Like how you could be sure about that number

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

''However, these old admixture events into the Beni Amer could be driven by admixture from the Cushitic-speaking populations of the Horn of Africa, which themselves have received 30–50% non-African ancestry about 100 generations ago, or 3kya''.

+ when E carrying Somalis split from each other.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

''However, these old admixture events into the Beni Amer could be driven by admixture from the Cushitic-speaking populations of the Horn of Africa, which themselves have received 30–50% non-African ancestry about 100 generations ago, or 3kya''.

+ when E carrying Somalis split from each other.

So Dir was not Somali untill 1900 years ago?

 

[Apollo]

So Dir was not Somali untill 1900 years ago?

I don't think the majority of their autosomal ancestry is from that 2 kya migratory male, so no and yes. Depends on your perspective.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I don't think the majority of their autosomal ancestry is from that 2 kya migratory male, so no and yes. Depends on your perspective.

I'm jusy gonna go with, "we wuz you untill arab jewz became horny for more Cushite bussy"

 

[Xasusi]

My ancestors were living in modern day Tel Aviv

 

[Prince Abubu]

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

''However, these old admixture events into the Beni Amer could be driven by admixture from the Cushitic-speaking populations of the Horn of Africa, which themselves have received 30–50% non-African ancestry about 100 generations ago, or 3kya''.

+ when E carrying Somalis split from each other.

But doesn't that mean Somalis are younger than 3000 ya? If the cushitic ancestry of these Beja groups is 3kya, then the Somalis as a group, by definition, should be younger.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

But doesn't that mean Somalis are younger than 3000 ya? If the cushitic ancestry of these Beja groups is 3kya, then the Somalis as a group, by definition, should be younger.

Somalis split from Rendile 1400 ya

 

[Prince Abubu]

Somalis split from Rendile 1400 ya

Where did you get that figure?

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Where did you get that figure?

Linguistics. Somali is a Omo - Tana language.

 

[Apollo]

Linguistics. Somali is a Omo - Tana language.

I think those other groups in this category are ancient migrants from South Somalia (Cushitic-era) who moved into Northwest Kenya and Southwest Ethiopia and mixed with non-Somaloids rather than being ancestral to Somalis.

 

[NoSafety]

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

''However, these old admixture events into the Beni Amer could be driven by admixture from the Cushitic-speaking populations of the Horn of Africa, which themselves have received 30–50% non-African ancestry about 100 generations ago, or 3kya''.

+ when E carrying Somalis split from each other.

But doesn't that mean Somalis are younger than 3000 ya? If the cushitic ancestry of these Beja groups is 3kya, then the Somalis as a group, by definition, should be younger.

Aren't Beni Amer a recent 'tribe' anyway? They're just a coalition of Beja tribes that occured in recent times.

 

[EDsomali]

Somalis split from Rendile 1400 ya

kkkkkk

They split 2300 years ago not 1400.

 

[Prince Abubu]

So to get this straight, because the dates are getting a bit confused.

3000-3500 ybp Macro-Somalis (including Rendille) formed

2100-2300 ybp Modern Somalis formed

1900 ybp T-Y44591 enters Somali Y DNA Genepool from somewhere

Does sound about right?

@Timo Madow and proud
@EDsomali
@Apollo

 

[Prince Abubu]

I'm jusy gonna go with, "we wuz you untill arab jewz became horny for more Cushite bussy"

The jury is still out on that. But I prefer to think of Mesopotamia/Eastern Arabia/Persian Gulf as the origin of T-Y44591 ancestor. Ain't no way I'm claiming some 4'3" midget from Yemen.

 

[NoSafety]

So to get this straight, because the dates are getting a bit confused.

3000-3500 ybp Macro-Somalis (including Rendille) formed

2100-2300 ybp Modern Somalis formed

1900 ybp T-Y44591 enters Somali Y DNA Genepool from somewhere

Does sound about right?

@Timo Madow and proud
@EDsomali
@Apollo

So were northern Cushites aka Bejas the first Cushites in your honest opinion?

 

[Frostybigmo1]

Aren't Beni Amer a recent 'tribe' anyway? They're just a coalition of Beja tribes that occured in recent times.

i heard they very almost became extinct tbh they came from an alulaengida tribe. But got assimilated many a year ago to a place called somalispot.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

So were northern Cushites aka Bejas the first Cushites in your honest opinion?

What does that mean hahaha ?

I think most anthropologists agreed on the fact that Beja is the black sheep of the Cushitic languages, meaning it is probably the first branch that diverged from (Proto)Cushitic.

They're an quite ancient people with a unique identity

 

[Prince Abubu]

So were northern Cushites aka Bejas the first Cushites in your honest opinion?

I don't know much about Bejas, but they're the most divergent Cushitic group (some scholars even put them in their own group in Afro-Asiatic), so they must have broken off the earliest from the main Cushitic language family.

I think when the Cushites moved south from Sudan, the Beja stayed behind in the red sea coast of Sudan and Eritrea. While the rest of the Cushitic speakers moved into Ethiopia, Somalia and East Africa.

 

[Apollo]

So were northern Cushites aka Bejas the first Cushites in your honest opinion?

There is no modern group that is 100% proto-Cushitic without any non-Cushitic admixture. Bejas have mixed with Nubians, Egyptians, and Saudi type of Arabs (on their way inland into the rest of North Sudan during the Arabization period of Sudan).

Cushites more to the South often have local hunter-gatherer admixture and in Eritrea/North-Central Ethiopia they got Omotic & Habesha/Sabaean stuff.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

There is no modern group that is 100% proto-Cushitic without any non-Cushitic admixture. Bejas have mixed with Nubians, Egyptians, and Saudi type of Arabs (on their way inland into the rest of North Sudan during the Arabization period of Sudan).

Aren't Nubians mostly of "Cushitic stock" ???For some odd reasons, I'm very confident in the idea that they just had a massive language shift from Cushitic to Nilo-Saharan.