Random Puntland politics discussions

[DR OSMAN]

National politics is made up of federal states, so this is a bad excuse. Just admit you are not a Puntite and save yourself the bad deeds.

@kickz your looking silly when u say national and then 'villa' somalia which is a 'city', you watch federal american politics it's not important due to 'washington' dc but the 'states' involved kkkk, if it was just washington that is important which it's not and has no 'power' n is totally local like australia capital city is built in the same 'theme' as washington dc, dude trust me the way somalis see 'capital' is the problem, in most country 'bar the uk' the capital is an insignicant little city and it has no role to play in the nations politics, it's the regions that empower the national govt and if they decided to leave u wud city-state and the world will tell u your not nation anymore bro and they can't sit with u as 90% of your population are not even recognising u kkkkkk so u will be given city state status anad removed from the UN and embassies told to relocate due to national disaster.

Kicks forget marehan 1980 style politics, its different global connected world today not cold war era, its over bro in 91 that shit, there is only one superpower, there is no wadan isku duulaayo anymore and if u try, u will look silly as the world says you have no clue of international order as your not the 'order' but merely a 'player' or 'member' of the UN, they make it clear who the order is thru 'veto' powers on security matters and if u go against anything in 'security' aspect u will be dealt with u dumb kid, you only have internal powers over your country and thats it not the global world order security, hawl ku taal ma aha, learn your role, just leave 'sade' as their not astute politicians and only know 'dictatorship' nothing else which there is no appetite for in the world today as their dying away with remnants left as they all get knocked down thru regime chang policies or 'state embargo' like iran. Is that what u want for somalia another 'adal sultanate' where marehan was the last leader causes he destroyed it and also somalia 91 which he was the last leader of? i know u love them as u think like them not in the world we live in but in the cold war era niyahow

 

[DR OSMAN]

@kickz even dues has surrendered who is the biggest marehan intellectual and you can ask him yourself @Dues Ex Machete so what are u doing as a 'nabad n noolal bot' who just rinse n repeats their news story, your leader ayaa meesha ka baxay like siyad did and morgan a loyalist saved him not sade, and u now u want to save dues and he saying save yourself kicks as gm/hs/kg/banadir are going to be centralized like banadir model and deemed federal administrative regions and PL/JL federal member states or hong kong autonomy with foreign power and SL deemed as totally unworkable union and may lead to civil war as their system is built on 'enemy alliances' which is not welcome unless they can demonstrate post somaliland outlook of order and not mention somalia name and they get along we shall see but thats not going to happen so they're given a 'not resolved status' and can be in the vacuum with VILLA SOMALIA HAVING ITS BANADIR MODEL STATES AND SOMALILAND IN VACUUM UNRESOLVED STATE AND PL/JL WITH HONG KONG STATUS JET FLYING WORLD WIDE AND CUTTING BILATERAL DEALS ON SECURITY-OIL-INVESTMENTS and HG/MAREHAN/ABGAL all fighting for villa as it only effects their regions and not ABSAME/MJ who are superior majerteniya and ogadeniya nation states

 

[kickz]

@kickz your looking silly when u say national and then 'villa' somalia which is a 'city', you watch federal american politics it's not important due to 'washington' dc but the 'states' involved kkkk, if it was just washington that is important which it's not and has no 'power'

States have devolved powers in the US, but ultimately the Federal Government is what has the army and foreign policy. States here decide education, and local economy mainly. This is what I mean by National politics ie foreign policy, national defense etc which is controlled by the FGS.

 

[DR OSMAN]

States have devolved powers in the US, but ultimately the Federal Government is what has the army and foreign policy. States here decide education, and local economy mainly. This is what I mean by National politics ie foreign policy, national defense etc which is controlled by the FGS.

But those two functions foreign policy/army are important tasks and you can barely manage the power without tyranny now with the little centralized power u have giving more national and international reasons to loosen the federalism or at least hybrid model like china n hong kong which is where it's only heading as you show concentrating even few tasks you already abuse it bro which makes everyone think if u get more then it's shit-fest.

Plus military/foreign affairs portfolio is only allowed after social reconcilition-constitutionl agreement-federation guidelines and many other harmonizing of federal and state laws, the washington govt has an official constitution, you don't bro, you are working on reconstruction mandate not exerceting power over the nation as your mandate has been made clear to you and your really making the world pull away in disgust at your incompetency, you don't have dastur that is official america does u cant compare yourself to legal country waryaa, stick to your mandate and work with the regions on all tasks untill constitutional matters are settled and u have legal mandate and the way it's going the hybrid model or confederation or many other looser federalism is coming as the world see centralized foreign policy/army dangerous to somalia as your giving evidence of it constantly. They already banned your army capability thru the UN cause your not a LEGAL country by your own nation, just stop it, and foreign policy is being taken away also as your not showing that any capability whatsoever in it either

 

[DR OSMAN]

@kickz it's over @Dues Ex Machete surrendered and his your nabad n noolal leader, your just 'squad' dude, u r uncoordinated now like an army losing general, u just basically lining to get laid on the floor as your command line has broken down bro, just lay down for the ten count and look at the stars like your Due did

 

[kickz]

Plus military/foreign affairs portfolio is only allowed after social reconcilition-constitutionl agreement-federation guidelines and many other harmonizing of federal and state laws, the washington govt has an official constitution, you don't bro, you are working on reconstruction mandate not exerceting power over the nation as your mandate has been made clear to you and your really making the world pull away in disgust at your incompetency, you don't have dastur that is official america does u cant compare yourself to legal country waryaa, stick to your mandate and work with the regions on all tasks untill constitutional matters are settled and u have legal mandate and the way it's going the hybrid model or confederation or many other looser federalism is coming as the world see centralized foreign policy/army dangerous to somalia as your giving evidence of it constantly. They already banned your army capability thru the UN cause your not a LEGAL country by your own nation, just stop it, and foreign policy is being taken away also as your not showing that any capability whatsoever in it either

Can't have meaningful dialogue when everyone at the table doesn't represent their people but instead other countries. Take Madoobe, he signed the Xamar Election deal only to back out after a visit to Kenya. Once shisheeye influence is removed, then we can have reconciliation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Can't have meaningful dialogue when everyone at the table doesn't represent their people but instead other countries. Take Madoobe, he signed the Xamar Election deal only to back out after a visit to Kenya. Once shisheeye influence is removed, then we can have reconciliation.

Sxb Kenya isn't in bed with 'terrorist symphatizers' how incompetent are u to sign up with qatar-egypt-erdogan these ppl are not supported world wide, u only do this so u can extend the conflict not because u know it's going to help, there are not 'veto power' nations just stop it kid no second world or third world country can change shit in the world order and only 5 can do u get it, and if u not endorsed by any your just wasting time for somali people, it's simple world order, there is nothing complicating, there is no conspiracy, there is security body and human rights body thats it in the UN, free trade, imf, are all separate institutions and biltaeral to each nation. U worry so much about shisheeye when the hardest job is inside your nation not outside, even if they left, we wud order your allies to leave also so we go back to 91. U r in stalemate niyahow and ur hand is far weaker as you only control a 'city' not 90% of the nation and your voice is 'weaker' due to that. Sade is going to be slave in fedrealism there is nothing that will change about that gedo is gone, abudwaq under hg, noone is gonna change 95% satisfied nation for gedo waryaa

 

[DR OSMAN]

@kickz don't u see isaaq in isolation, well gedo/abudwak is heading towards isolation also in federalism, u cant keep gambling on villa somalia that is circus and highest bidder every 20 years hoping u get into villa, dude that is the worst strategy, just accept your role as VP in GM and VP in JL and surrender. The world isn't going to change pl/jl who are established and strong and will remove farmajo since he is only 'one person' not a 'state' as they only support 'institutions' western world as priorities not 'individuals' and it's individuals who get removed no institutions like PL/JL, u see how dumb u r in global matters since u hold onto the 'madax ka nool' idea which are treated as lesser importance in politics and places with institutions treated higher. HG has ran back to GM and knows they gotta create institutions to ensure their not down and out like sade but sade wont allow it @SomaliWadaniSoldier and is holding them down like he did HS and SW as he doesnt WANT other clans becoming strong institutions and politicians or Strong man LEADERS are DISRESPECTED because the world has changed strong leaders or politicians are seen as not as important as institutions especially if it covers large territory of the nation

Your essentially a 'kangaroo states' and disregarded SFG is madax ka nool niyahow and thats why its weak as its out of line with world idea of strong institutions are the only ones with LOUD VOICES.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What makes those two men a huge power, has anyone really wondered? it's not qabiil as many assume. It's cause they are more of priority due to their large regions, their large influence into ethiopia-kenya, uae-saudi-cia. They are dealing with 'global' 'veto' powers and their regional second/third world nations be it east-africa or the gulf. They are anti islamist n muslim brotherhood and in-line with the global world order against terror which makes them 'highly valuable' partners in conjunction with their large territory and 'social order' systems thru 'aristocracy, sultanates'. These are undeniable to anyone.

The last recipe they have is 'strong institutions' or at least 'emerging institutions' and outside PL/JL the other states are 'top down' federalism in-line with 'banadir model' where-as theirs is in-line with federation guidelines of the world as the PL model is raised up to 'emulate' across the nation. The last thing is people do not know the western world want strong institutions and the stronger your institutions and rule of law, security, and governance you 'shoot up in the priority' camp as we are all not equal priority, place with weaker institutions they still work with them but their not given 'priority' and if there is clash well the place with the stronger institutions simply wins by default.

This is what has hurt villa somalia not just farmajo no matter who goes there, they don't have a 'constitution' so it's not legal and hence arms embargo will not be lifted, there is barely any functioning institution and a 'building' isn't exactly an institution either, an institution demands rule of law, processes, procedures, repeatable and predictable and code of conduct and auditing functions and reporting yearly on stability. They measure the strength/quality of your institutions to carry out govt tasks cheap-quick-stable with leaders seen as 'spokes ppl' only as the institution 'power has to be devolved' also and 'leaders' can only be seen as giving direction and those below develop the implementation models based on various scenarios depending on what the policy is. If a leader is seen where he hasn't got these, his deemed a kangaroo state and unreliable, they will work with him and demand improvements and provide institutional capacity where needed but his priority is far less untill that is resolved as they don't want strong men but strong institutions as that is measurable and predictable and reliable then strong leader.

That's why HSM/Farmajo nor anyone in Villa will be seen as higher then PL/JL which is 50% of the nation land and sea-lane and PL has very special trade corridor inside and outside the nation at the 'mouth' of indian/red sea since they can control both side where-as others in the red sea are to far down in the channel not at the entry/exit like egypt/punt, the rest are 'along the route' and cannot control or serve as strategic ally in the laneway due to positioning, even Djibouti is 'terrible' positioning

 

[DR OSMAN]

Djibouti simply got lucky cause of Somalia civil war and some say maybe they do prefer a djibouti over a somalia since it's small nation and easily manageable by world or regional powers then say a 'somalia' kkkkk but this does lead to a few dillemmas for them also.

The problem with that is, Djibouti location is deep in the channel, if a war broke out, they wud get 'supply choked' inside the channel, if PL ever sided with say Russia or someone or another superpower like China, cuz once you secure egypt n punt the entry/exit of the channel the rest of the channel is irrelevant and not strategic. China-Russia type 'veto' power is needed for PL to do that strategem so another world power doesn't missile us out and Russia provides protection like Italy did in the past, u need world power protection there is no question about that and we shouldn't focus on regional powers either as they don't have this capability and need to lift our game once we have super power protection, we done and set as they can vouch for us to give us hybrid deal in somalia similar to hong kong and china system under 99 yeaar agreement like they did and we will review it in 99 years if somalis are still cuqdad driven or not

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dues Ex Machete please tell @kickz that u no longer back farmajo as he is kid cheerleading for him and u did sixir on him about cold war politics not global world politic standaards after cold war ended with one super power

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Your a separatist? What would you gain from separation?

I'm for going back how we were before the colonists forced us on each other.

 

[convincation]

I'm for going back how we were before the colonists forced us on each other.

Well I get what you mean but that was the same for most modern nations. China, Britain, france, Germany, Russia etc were all “Chinese” or “German” before the unification but we’re made up of many smaller states and eventually, naturally came together. Colonialism messed up that natural process and although there would have been bloodshed it would have firmly created a somali state but since that never happened things like qabil stayed about and now our “homogeneity” is being questioned because we just can’t seem to get along. What we need isn’t separations we need to firmly go through the process of unification which includes and is not limited to, central government, complete and utter destruction of the concept of qabil and anyone who says their qabil is to be banished from government and beheaded and finally we need heavy censorship and complete control of the media so we can properly brainwash the masses. Hopefully with this it could put us through the natural unification process with a modern touch since colonialism ruined the natural occurring one for us already

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Well I get what you mean but that was the same for most modern nations. China, Britain, france, Germany, Russia etc were all “Chinese” or “German” before the unification but we’re made up of many smaller states and eventually, naturally came together. Colonialism messed up that natural process and although there would have been bloodshed it would have firmly created a somali state but since that never happened things like qabil stayed about and now our “homogeneity” is being questioned because we just can’t seem to get along. What we need isn’t separations we need to firmly go through the process of unification which includes and is not limited to, central government, complete and utter destruction of the concept of qabil and anyone who says their qabil is to be banished from government and beheaded and finally we need heavy censorship and complete control of the media so we can properly brainwash the masses. Hopefully with this it could put us through the natural unification process with a modern touch since colonialism ruined the natural occurring one for us already

Good stuff sxb but its impossible. I am a realist

 

[DR OSMAN]

Well I get what you mean but that was the same for most modern nations. China, Britain, france, Germany, Russia etc were all “Chinese” or “German” before the unification but we’re made up of many smaller states and eventually, naturally came together. Colonialism messed up that natural process and although there would have been bloodshed it would have firmly created a somali state but since that never happened things like qabil stayed about and now our “homogeneity” is being questioned because we just can’t seem to get along. What we need isn’t separations we need to firmly go through the process of unification which includes and is not limited to, central government, complete and utter destruction of the concept of qabil and anyone who says their qabil is to be banished from government and beheaded and finally we need heavy censorship and complete control of the media so we can properly brainwash the masses. Hopefully with this it could put us through the natural unification process with a modern touch since colonialism ruined the natural occurring one for us already

Your a kid how u going to destroy pre-existing identities that were around for thousands of years for 50 year identity? what needs to be crushed is the 'new made up identity' of somali since it's nothing more then language, if i didn't speak somali no matter if i looked it i wud be outcasted since that is most importaat element, the language, i aint creating a culture around language niyahow when I have sultanate, you can maybe as you have prehistory culture and that wud be progress for u. What ruined somali is pre-dhaqan ppl and dhaqan ppl merging it's two different worlds one higher n lower in culture like mongols n chinese iyagu xad ba uu taalo as u can see, since u need to merge in one or the other not bring it together as one has to be supreme like australia did with aborigines being lower ppl, they were merged away, like eyle also, now hag-isaaq with neolithic cultures need to let darod be their master also and then things will be fine but no hag/isaaq unless a majerten is sitting in power with u at all times dhaqan iyo cawaan style

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Apophis The italians were pricks to the south they removed their 'elders' who had basic 'xeer' and 'nabadoon' and 'imams' who was very 'ceremonial' ruler like 'darod king' is for other darod sultanates. But the difference is that is ineffective and has ceased to work in the south, it's only ceremonial today with their civilians having more authority then them and hence their political/warlord/sheikhs all that are scrambling to 'rule' them as the actual 'dhaqan' isn't workable anymore. They are technically neolithic culture farmers-herders etc and maybe that was the intention of italians to ensure they remaian subjects to only italians and no other authority.

The Italians were told to stay the f*ck out of PL, no ppl used to go the south thinking it was 'gaalo conspiracy schools' and shit since they never saw 'schools like western one' it's due to 'ignoranace' but they were living in their time period also, it was the old world.

We only sent our leaders to mogadishu not people untill after independence people who knew how 'conquer' italians like 'princess faduma of italy' she wasn't even aristocrat either. Many MJS migrated in the 60s that's when I know lots of nugaalis went due to independence and power back in somali hands. Now if a constitution was written that said majerten will be president for ever we will still not accept it as we won't allow concentrated power in the south again no matter who is ruler as it's not built to last those type of systems.

Plus we also send our elites only to hamar as the bulk are still waiting for that 1960 sort of declaration of hong kong autonomy for 99 year period for PL/JL and Banadir model for the south to 'separate' the two due to their differing 'progress levels' one is stuck in security level one is plump for oil investments and FDI and sitting with the world. Their wud be those huge cheers all over the nation we finally did wat was right for the ppl and not what 'we like' but wat can work for them and put aside our biases, qabiil, fears.

Somaliland finally given its dutiful status of 'unresolved' northern union doesn't exist just like it didnt in 1960 and collapsed into usp-snl, it doesn't seem any different, SOMALILAND united itself on short term my enemy is your enemy and no nation will pass independence to a nation built on somali neceb what if they did and turn into south sudan-eritrea n ethiopia-somalia vs ethiopia as all those were short term alliances and led to its own civil war. SL just sits there in th vacuum and south sits there in its banadir model anad pl/jl get their hong kong status autonomy with foreign portfolio thrown in for 99 year period untill the nation can discuss another 'federation' round

 

[Dues Ex Machina]

@DR OSMAN

I don't tell people to think any such way. I only present the facts concerning the matter and allow people to consider them when making a decision and come to their own conclusions.

An informed decision is better than willful blindness. And in my own analysis I've concluded among the current pool of Presidential candidates, the only one that has won my vote is the Incumbent President, H.E Farmaajo.

 

[convincation]

Your a kid how u going to destroy pre-existing identities that were around for thousands of years for 50 year identity? what needs to be crushed is the 'new made up identity' of somali since it's nothing more then language, if i didn't speak somali no matter if i looked it i wud be outcasted since that is most importaat element, the language, i aint creating a culture around language niyahow when I have sultanate, you can maybe as you have prehistory culture and that wud be progress for u. What ruined somali is pre-dhaqan ppl and dhaqan ppl merging it's two different worlds one higher n lower in culture like mongols n chinese iyagu xad ba uu taalo as u can see, since u need to merge in one or the other not bring it together as one has to be supreme like australia did with aborigines being lower ppl, they were merged away, like eyle also, now hag-isaaq with neolithic cultures need to let darod be their master also and then things will be fine but no hag/isaaq unless a majerten is sitting in power with u at all times dhaqan iyo cawaan style

What I said was an actual suggestion that I genuinely believe and I know many daroods will agree with it too. What you said however was straight up MJ supremacy and unless you get your head around the fact that genetically, culturally, linguisticy and every other way there is we are the same then I don’t see you understanding my point. My dream is with somaliweyn, and alhamdullilah much more people are starting to adhere to that dream too

 

[DR OSMAN]

What I said was an actual suggestion that I genuinely believe and I know many daroods will agree with it too. What you said however was straight up MJ supremacy and unless you get your head around the fact that genetically, culturally, linguisticy and every other way there is we are the same then I don’t see you understanding my point. My dream is with somaliweyn, and alhamdullilah much more people are starting to adhere to that dream too

No you think a culture is speaking a language that is big upgrade for you and your pre-history dhaqan I can understand, but it's seen as communication tool only and even aborigines have language so that is moot point right there, so do sans bushmen and so did eyle, but do u see eyle here? well your in the next chain above him as neolithic culture as u lack a sultanates and have merely 'elders' for the sake of 'blood' which neolithic since they lacked a culture. U r in the age of culture and you have pre historical social order still and your mind is no different either.

Now ur appealing to genetics what's that got anything to do with culture, my genetics are similar to a damn animal also and why u refuse my genetics to my clan and accept your further away somali genetics? u see u hate tribe yet love somali which is still tribe itself, u hate genetics in clans but u love it in somali,

Besides speak to Apollo and his crappy psuedo genetics nonsense as that don't develop a culture nor does a brain since many animals have a brain also, the only thing unique about humans is culture and that is it and each culture is measured in different 'grades' of humanity pre history is hunter gatherer/neolithic, culture age is pharoah and after is monarchy-aristocrats-sultanates-democracy. The second u remove culture u have hag spring and 91 or rome sacking n dark age or bagdhad n mongol outcome, identical outcomes neolithic cultures that over-ran cultured societies. It's time to talk real and I do believe cultures are definitely superior and this is accepted science as you can't say archaic human and normal human is same culture or hunter gatherer is any way similar to neolithic which IS YOUR CULTURE still, and u cant say a damn neolithic is the same as sultanate culture. Culture is like a damn wine, it's graded

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

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What I said was an actual suggestion that I genuinely believe and I know many daroods will agree with it too. What you said however was straight up MJ supremacy and unless you get your head around the fact that genetically, culturally, linguisticy and every other way there is we are the same then I don’t see you understanding my point. My dream is with somaliweyn, and alhamdullilah much more people are starting to adhere to that dream too

Not true sxb