Random Oromo history thread!

[Abba Sadacha]

Random Somali history/facts?


''Awdal region, populated by Dir clans: the Gadabursi and Issa, is credited as being the most stable region in Somaliland. This is mainly due to peacekeeping efforts on the part of the Gadabursi clan who dominate this region. Nevertheless, the potential for conflict and cooperation with the Isaaq-dominated administration is as uncertain as it is in the un-administered Darod regions in the east. Like the Darod, the Gadabursi are divided over the issue of independence and the border areas of Awdal are disputed between Gadabursi lineages and neighboring Isaaq groups.
Despite these still unresolved land disputes with neighboring Isaaq groups, the unwavering support given to the present administration by the Gadabursi party explains the well-established peace and stability prevailing in Awdal. The clan's cooperation with the current administration in Hargeisa seems to depend upon the following factors: First, Gadabursi clansmen view the present administration as harmless and not hostile to the rights of non Isaaq groups in contrast to its predecessor, which was suspected of Isaaq supremacy and subjugation of others. Traditional hostility between the Gadabursi and neighboring Habar Awal clan (association with the present administration) subsided as the Gadabursi armed militias rallied to the first government call for military cooperation against the Gar'xajis insurrection in late 1994.
Second, the Gadabursi share with the Isaaq common territorial interests defined by the frontiers of Somaliland, Gadabursi land lies exclusively within Somaliland. Third, the Gadabursi believe that they are the largest non-Isaaq group in Somaliland and are therefore an important constituency within the country. The present government satisfied this aspiration by letting the office of vice minister be held by the only prominent Gadabursi SNM veteran, 'Cabdiraxman Aw 'Cali.''
[What are Somalia's Development Perspectives? Science between Resignation and Hope? Proeceedings of the 6th SSIA-Congress Berlin 6-9 Dec.199
by Jorg Janzen (Author), Stella Vitzthum (Author)
Pages 132-133]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''The great and basic trouble is not religious, but tribal----that is, the rise of the Oromo people, or as they are usually and pejoratively called, the Gallas.
The Amhara elites, who are the ruling class, are beginning to fear that the Oromos will become educated and demand a greater share in the government of the country.
This is certainly true, since already some of the educated Oromos are pushing their way upward in government circles and the Amahras are beginning to see what may happen in the years to come.
So some of the Amharas are determined keep the Oromo down.
It is not the case of the downtrodden minority, because the Oromos are far more numerous, yet most of them are considred to be illiterate Pagans.
When the Oromo's come to realize their strength and power, they may well make trouble for the Amharas.



[Adventure in Africa: The Story of Don McClure : from Khartoum to Addis Ababa in Five Decades
Book by Charles Partee, pg 259]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''Little is known of the origin of the Somali people. At some date B.C. which is difficult to determine, the Oromo's, the stock from which the Somalis are descended, were driven from Southern Arabia into the region now known as Somaliland, where they presumably intermarried with the original negro inhabitants.
In the early years of the Prophet Muhammad's mission, about A.D. 616, there was a further influx across the Red Sea from the Arabian to the African coast; and from this date onwards Arabs settled in Somaliland and intermarried with the Oromo tribes, thus creating the Somali race.
Whatever the circumstances attending these incursions may have been, the distant affinity of the Somali language to Arabic and the merely dialectal difference from the Oromo language leaves one with no doubt that they are descended from both these races.
Both in temperament and appearance, however, the Somalis have inherited far more from their conquering Arabian forbears than from the negroes who originally inhabited their country.
They are of good physique, with heads well set on spare but athletic frames, with proud bearing and carriage bespeaking their consciousness of a racial superiority over their neighbors.
Their profile is often classic; the forehead is finely rounded and prominent; the eyes are moderately large and deep-set; the nose is usually straight, although sometimes it is snub or aquiline; the lips are not too thick and never everted as in the Negro; and the hair is never wolly, but ringlety, and sometimes even quite straight.
In colour they vary from light to dark brown, and from dark brown to black. Judged by any standard of beauty, the Somali is physically of an extremely attractive appearance...''
[Journal of the African Society, Volume 24
By African Society, MacMillan, 1925 - Africa
Pages 100-103]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''In proposing a vote of thanks to Miss Werner, the Chairman invited remarks from those present. He remarked himself that the Oromos had played a very great part in the ancient civilization of Savage Africa.
They were one of the earliest representatives of the Caucasian race, and, through sheer force of circumstances, had lost some of their early civilization and came down in the world.

I think the race in even recent times has extended further south than we find it today. From examining vocabularies I am struck by the appearance of Oromo roots as far south as the north end of Lake Nyasa.
And, of course, in the history of East Africa we must recall that an important Oromo tribe, almost extinct at the present day-The Es-Segeju-helped the Portuguese to overcome the cannibal raid of the Bazimba.
The Bazimba seem to have started from South-west Congoland, and, after overwhelming the Portuguese almost entirely, they turned noth and sacked the Arab town of Kilwa, and were not finally disposed of until, with the assitance of the Es-segeju, they were completely exterminated near Mombasa.

All these Oromo peoples, both in Abyssinia, and, further south, in Equatorial East Africa, have been remarkably neglected by European students. The most we can glean of the language of the Southern Oromo is that work by Tutschek from 1 or more Oromo peoples of Abyssinia somewhere about 1848, and that gives one a tolerably correct impression, I am told, of some of the Southern dialects. All this has such an immensely important bearing on the past history of Africa, from ancient Egyptian days onwards, that I do hope the work of Miss Werner, when her article appears in the Journal of the African Society, will draw the attention of Governors, travellers, and missionaries to the Oromo peoples as they exist today, and, above all, to writing down their dialects.
There is no group of languages of more historical interest than the languages of the Hamites for the light they will throw on the Caucasian's relations with Africa; and yet, perhaps, there is no group more superficially studied.''


[African Affairs: Journal of the Royal African Society, Volume 13
Page 317. Published in 1913]

Further down, on page 318:

''The Oromo impinge on the Bantu negroes because the Oromos have permeated north-east Africa, and certainly seem to be the principal element in composing those Bantu aristocracies known to us mainly as the Bahima, in Uganda, and surrounding countries.
The Bahima are palpably of Oromo affinities. I have sometimes ventured to speak of them as being like the ancient Egyptians because you find among them a type of face which irresistibly recalls the portraiture of the Pharoahs. But, after all, the ancient Egyptians were closely allied to the Oromo. The Oromo seem to have been the original inhabitans of Somaliland when visited by Egyptian exploratory expeditions.
The Punt portraits which appear in engravings on stone and frescoes in Egyptian temples recall the Oromo more than anything else.
The Somali is possibly little more than a hybrid between the original nomadic population and Arab civilizers and immigrants.''

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

''Little is known of the origin of the Somali people. At some date B.C. which is difficult to determine, the Oromo's, the stock from which the Somalis are descended, were driven from Southern Arabia into the region now known as Somaliland, where they presumably intermarried with the original negro inhabitants.

This is an interesting reading, and the first time I come upon the assertion being made that Somalis descend from Oromos; I did see Oromo people making the claim that ardu Somali was indeed theirs to begin with, and Somalis carved it out through successive migrations.

In the early years of the Prophet Muhammad's mission, about A.D. 616, there was a further influx across the Red Sea from the Arabian to the African coast; and from this date onwards Arabs settled in Somaliland and intermarried with the Oromo tribes, thus creating the Somali race.

Trouble is the author fails to account for the Hijra ila al-Habasha by the Sahabah from Mecca, hence making his assertions arguably dubious.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''The Somali compromised an important minority population in the Hararghe highlands, but they played the most important role in the transit of Harar's trade. The most easterly of the Somali sub-clans in the highland region are the Garri-Jarso and the Garri-Baabbille, who are ethnically mixed Oromo and Somali, practicing agriculture using Oromo farming techniques but possessing Somali social institutions. Further east in the arid lands that extend to the coast of the Gulf of Aden live the Issa Somalis. To their south, between Berbera and the foothills of the Jijiga plain, the land is inhabited by the Gadabuursi . Belonging to the Dir family, both of these clans are camel herders, the Issa in particular occupying a structural niche in the chain of communication and transportation that linked the general region of the Horn to overseas markets. In the 19th century, they serviced the import and export trade between the Hararghe highlands and Somali ports by organizing a camel caravan led by the Abban [the institution of the Abban, usually headed by a Somali of the Issa clan at ZEILA, was the guarantor or protector responsible for the security of the caravans, the goods and the very life of the traders]
In the last decades of the 19th century, the Harari people had not entirely become urbanized traders, but the demographic pressure from the sedentary Oromo and their pastoral kindred was forcing them increasingly to turn to trade. Not all highland Oromo had become sedentary agriculturalists, but those who lived within at least 40 miles of the city were tending toward agriculture as the result of the town market. The pastoral Somalis were strategically placed to take advantage of the trade between the coast and the interior by monopolizing the means of transportation. By the time of of the Egyptian occupation in 1875, the three ethnic groups had worked out a modus vivendi whereby the Harari traded in the agricultural commodities produced by the Oromo by using a means of transportation and communication provided by the Somali.''

[Leaf of Allah: Khat and Agricultural Transformation in Hararghe, Ethiopia, 1875-1991; pages 34-36]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''Three years ago, [around 1896]the Ras Makonnen's troops, 6,000 carbines strong, were beaten near Ogaden by Somalis armed only with lances and half their numbers was killed in a night attack. The survivors returned announcing that they had been stopped by malaria. Three times the Negus sent expeditions against Kafa (the Oromo areas): in 1896, 18,000 rifles were defeated by Oromo lances; in 1897 20,000 rifles shared the same fate, and later in the same year the Oromos gave away before a force of 24,000 rifles only because they preferred paying tribute to Menelik. In 1898 Makonnen's troops were severely defeated in Western Abyssinia and prevented from reaching the Nile.

How, then, shall we account for the affair at Adwa?
Chiefly by the configuration of the country. Abyssinia defends itself. The Italian troops, too far removed from their base, were surprised in steep defiles, from the top of which an enemy, three times superior in number, was able to shoot them down. The victory has been disastrous to European prestige; it has destroyed the fear of the white man, which was instinctive in the negro mind. The Abyssinian draws no distinctions between the various European nations-they are all whites and as such worthy of hatred; they were all, in his opinion, defeated at Adwa, and may henceforth be regarded with contempt and insulted at pleasure.''

[The 19th Century, Edited by James Knowles, 1-6, 1899; Pages 432-434]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

The former IFLO deputy: Sh. Adam Tukaale Adam Ali (better known as "Mullis")
Sh. Adam was born and raised in East Hararge in the district of Jarso, named so after his clan. This was at a time when the Muslim masses were asleep under the regime of Haile Selassie. As a young man he began looking for a way to remove himself from that state of humiliation, but could find no source of relief. There was no movement in his area, and the fighting in the neighbouring province of Bale had come to a halt. In the far north however, in what was then the province of Eritrea, Muslims led by Hamid Idris Awate had taken up arms and were waging a geurilla war against Addis Ababa for several years by that time. So with some companions he made his preparations and began his journey to a land he did not know much about. He passed through the vast provinces of Hararghe, Shawa, Wallo, and Tigrai, finally arriving in Eritrea. The fact that he did not speak a word of Amharic or Tigre, the languages spoken in the north, did not hold him back. In Eritrea he made contact with the Eritrean Muslim fighters and stayed with them until news had reached him that fighting had broken out close to home, in West Hararge. A group led by Hassan Ibrahim "Elemo", which had trained with Sh. Abdulkarim Ibrahim in the Palestinian camps had infiltrated the country by boat, and began clashing with the Ethiopian army in West Hararge. When Sh. Adam was informed of this he haste-fully returned to his home province to join the battle.
At this time the unit of Hassan Ibrahim (Elemo) was being followed closely by the regime in Addis Ababa. Army reinforcements were sent in to help track their movements. One of the members of the unit, explained the situation which led to 'The Battle of Tirro' in a Radio interview decades later;
"This was late 1974, it was the harvesting season so it was easy to hide out in the crops...We arrived at a place called Tirro, between the towns of Galamso, Bokhe and Badhesa. Three men had recently joined us and they were not accustomed to moving long distances on foot. These men were Sheikh Jamal, Ahmed Taqi, who had just arrived from the city, and Colonel Mahdi. He was a Colonel in Somalia (who abandoned his post to join the group), but he was from the Qallu (clan) of Dadar (district, East Hararge). They were exhausted and could not climb the mountain so we left them at a place we trusted to be safe at the bottom of the mountain to spend the night. At dawn we went down to wake them up. We discovered that the government militia had followed us and arrived from the 3 neighbouring towns and had the area surrounded... So we engaged them and a battle took place. From what we heard 83 enemy soldiers were killed, this number included locals who cooperated with them, and the wounded brought their casualties to over 100. From our side, the 3 men I had mentioned were killed (by the militia) before we could reach them. Until noon we repelled the police and militia. They called for Army reinforcements which arrived at noon bringing with them heavy weaponry. They began shelling the mountain and its surroundings. Hassan had been wounded in the abdomen in the morning clashes, so he wrapped it up with his clothing and continued fighting from the ground in the crop field, while sitting. Eventually the army surrounded & ordered him to surrender, so he told them to come and pick him up (since he could not move). Understanding that he had surrendered, a group of 5 soldiers went to where he was sitting. Hassan had a grenade with him, and when they reached him he exploded it, taking all 5 of them with him. Another was a boy named Sulayman who was shooting down at the enemy from the mountain. He ran out of bullets, but saved one for himself to avoid capture. Another of our men, Ahmed Kahin, he was Sheikhash (a Somali tribe) from Daro Labu district. He fought until his arm was shattered and he was captured. At sunset the remainder of us broke the encirclement and escaped."
When Sh. Adam arrived at Bokhe, after the long journey back, he was too late. The battle was over and the Ethiopian army was celebrating in the town center. It was impossible to make contact with what remained of the unit. Once again, he would have to be patient. Rather than feeling relieved, he was sad that he could not be with them at the time.
When Sh. Abdulkarim was released from prison in Somalia, he made contact and they became close companions. It is said that the IFLO was established with 2 guns, and those were the guns of Sh. Abdulkarim, and the second was that of Sh. Adam. Those who knew him all testified that he was a man who believed in deeds, rather than words and his deeds were what occupied his time throughout his entire adult life. The nickname he was given, "Mullis" (meaning "to show"), said it in one word. He was a man of action. The early days of the IFLO were difficult for many reasons, and not just because they were few in number, but also because there were many enemies. The security apparatus was always on high alert; and following the Ethio-Somali border war, the east and southeastern regions were highly militarized. In addition to that, the local Farmers Union militia (backed by the communist regime in Addis Ababa) was on alert, and secularist rebels of the OLF established in the mountains were fervently opposed to Islam entering the political scene. But in a relatively short amount of time the IFLO grew in strength and carved out their territory. Apart from leading in combat, Sh. Adam undertook other assignments. He served as a liaison between the mujahideen and supporters on the outside, traveling back and forth between the frontline and offices in Somalia and the Arabian peninsula. He would attend talks and encourage political refugees to return to their land and fight to restore their honour. At one of these talks, in Riyadh, a person asked the IFLO representatives 'how do you claim you are fighting to liberate us, yet you do not allow christian Oromos in your group'. While one mujahid was answering the question, the questioner later recalled that all he could remember was 'Mullis running his hand over his beard while scowling' at him. The man loved Islam, and dissociated from kufr, whether it came in the form of a blond haired european, or his brown skinned "countrymen".
He also worked in gathering intelligence on enemy positions. Before his jihad he was a shephard, and he was known to keep sheep with him; so he never raised suspicion while traveling and surveying enemy positions. He was also responsible for making his clan stronghold into an IFLO stronghold in the districts surrounding Jijiga. He remained as a father figure among the mujahideen through their triumphs and in their tough times also. In the latter years when internal disputes surfaced in the IFLO he attempted to diffuse the situation. However, the situation escalated to a point where he could not control it and over the years he had accumulated diabetes and became unable to travel. So he left the frontline and stayed with family in Moqdisho who took care of him. He refused to remain inactive however, and continued organizing Oromo refugees to fight the regime in Addis Ababa setting up a training camp at Qoriole. A front opened up in Somalia when the Ethiopian army invaded the Somali town of Baydhabo, so he assisted in sending these trainees to fight alongside the Somali militia. Eventually Hussein Aideed, the warlord in control of much of South Somalia entered into peace talks with the Ethiopians. In these talks it was agreed that the camp at Qoriole would be closed down, which is what happened.
However, the enemy understood that Sh. Adam would not stop as long as he was breathing. In July 2000, while walking in the Black Sea neighbourhood in Moqdisho, gunmen opened fire on him from a car, killing him and wounding a relative. Sh. Adam Tukaale Adam Ali was 55 years of age.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''By October 1886, Menelik's troops had come up against Mahdist bands towards Fadasi on the Blue Nile and a clash was averted only by the skill in negotiation of his general, Ras Gobana. A major battle was not fought until July 1888 when Gobana returned to Western Wallaga to repel a major Mahdist incursion. As early as January 1887, however, the need to campaign against the Sudanese to safeguard Shewan interests in the west was being discussed while Menelik was marching from Wallo to Debre Tabor, rumors had spread at home that Mahdist emissaries were penetrating to the tributary Muslim and Oromo principalities of the Gibe kingdoms, mobilization on Yohannes's behalf had stripped them of their Christian garrisons.''

["Between the Jaws of Hyenas": A Diplomatic History of Ethiopia, 1876-1896; Pages 92-94

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''Perhaps the old theory of Sir R. Burton is the most correct one: that they (Somalis) are of negro-Hamitic descent, and 'nothing but a slice of the great OROMO nation Islam-ized and Semiticised by repeated immigrations from Arabia.' Such a theory is in the main in harmony with the Somali traditions of their Arabian descent, and geographical and historical conditions do not conflict with it; moreover, the physical type of the people agrees with it. The origin of the Galla is another question altogether. Whether they are part of the same race, which pushed into South Africa from the North and are now represented by the Kafir, or whether they are a half-caste Abyssinian race, need not here be discussed.
Somal, or Somali, is a name, that has only been in use to describe the dominant race in the Horn of Africa since the beginning of this century. Sir R. Burton (1856) says that the Somali call their country 'Bar-Al-Ajam.' The old maps name the country 'Asha' and 'Hawiya.' The derivation of the word Somali has puzzled people. Major Abud, whose authority must carry weight, leans to that, which has been suggested by the Language itself. He says: 'The Somali are a hospitable race, and, as milk is their staple food-supply, the first word a stranger would hear in visiting their kraals would be So-mal, i.e., go and bring milk. I have heard it suggested that the word for milk, liss, may account for the termination lis in Somalis.'
[Linguistic and Oriental Essays: 1840-1897
By Robert Needham Cust, pages 813-815]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''As a sign of good faith to Siad Barre, Mengistu Haile-Mariam moved against the SSDF, closing its Ethiopian bases and confiscating many of its heavy weapons. Rather than wait for a similar fate, the SNM entered Somalia in force. In open combat, it defeated Somali army forces, capturing large portions of Hargeisa. Barre moved additional forces north, but again the army was unable to beat the SNM forces. The army then turned its weapons on the Isaaq populace and on the Darood refugees, killing an estimated 50,000 civilians; an additional 350,000 refugees streamed across the Ethiopian border.''

[“My Clan Against the World”: U.S. and Coalition Forces in Somalia 1992-1994; Page 16]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''Also in response to the ONLF, which they said represented only one clan, other Somali clans formed their own political parties and setup the ESDL=Ethiopian Somali Democratic League in February 1994. The ESDL wanted the possibility of secession retained in the constitution but recognized that the devolution of full political powers to regional governments had promising aspects and that this process was not an opportune time for secession.''

[African Studies in Geography from Below, pg 181]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''Johann L. Krapf stated in the mid-19th century that those in Mogadishu's port traded with the people of Oromia. He writes: 'On the 23rd of November 1843 we passed the towns of Mukdisha, the Magadoxo of the maps, and Marka, each of which has some 5,000 inhabitants, who trade with the Oromo countries in the interior, fetching from them chiefly gum, ivory, horses, slaves and hides.'' The exports of the port came partly from Oromia and partly from the immediate Somali coastal area. The products of the interior included: ivory, rhinoceros horns, hippo's teeth, slaves, and horses; hides, gum, and grain were the main commodities originating from the coastal area. These items were exported to Arabia and down to Zanzibar. The Mogadishu port had been in close contact commercially with the interior throughout the 19th century. Prior to the advent of the steamboat, Mogadishu was visited by dhows owned by Arabs. J. Kirk, who also visited the port, observed: ''I was much struck with the number of large dhows at anchor, and volunteered as interpreter to the boats sent to examine them. We found 20 vessels, from 50 to 200 tons, all filled with or taking in native grain, which I learnt is largely grown on the river behind, near Geledi.''
[Integration and Peace in East Africa: A History of the Oromo Nation
By Tsega Endalew, Tsega Etefa; pages 116-117]

 

[Abba Sadacha]

‘’As far as it can hitherto be stated, the Harala were the oldest identifiable population in the Harar Plateau. Between the 14th and 16th centuries they possessed a highly developed peasant civilization with urban centers and stone architecture. When Abadir, or Umar Al-Rida, the legendary ancestor of the Hararis, reached Harar in the early 13th century, he was acknowledged by the Harala, the Gaturi and the Argobba, a Muslim people which originated from the Shawan escarpment of the central Ethiopian highlands. Most probably the present Harari are the last representatives of the ancient Harala whose majority was either wiped out by war and famine in the 16th century or subsequently assimilated by the invading Oromo in the west and by the Somalis in the east. After the Semitic speaking block had dwindled away to the small concentration of Harar town, the history of the plateau over the least 300 years was dominated by these two Cushitic speaking peoples.’’

[Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia: Collected Essays
By Ulrich Braukamper, Ulrich Braukämper, Page 107]

 

[Cartan Boos]

‘’As far as it can hitherto be stated, the Harala were the oldest identifiable population in the Harar Plateau. Between the 14th and 16th centuries they possessed a highly developed peasant civilization with urban centers and stone architecture. When Abadir, or Umar Al-Rida, the legendary ancestor of the Hararis, reached Harar in the early 13th century, he was acknowledged by the Harala, the Gaturi and the Argobba, a Muslim people which originated from the Shawan escarpment of the central Ethiopian highlands. Most probably the present Harari are the last representatives of the ancient Harala whose majority was either wiped out by war and famine in the 16th century or subsequently assimilated by the invading Oromo in the west and by the Somalis in the east. After the Semitic speaking block had dwindled away to the small concentration of Harar town, the history of the plateau over the least 300 years was dominated by these two Cushitic speaking peoples.’’

[Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia: Collected Essays
By Ulrich Braukamper, Ulrich Braukämper, Page 107]

harla were darood stop the we waz kangz and we know u people history u came to the horn of africa recently from northern kenya and learned horse riding and even clothes from somalis and other cushitic group, habesha in the region, u people have great system of assimilating people bravo

 

[Khaem]

harla were darood stop the we waz kangz and we know u people history u came to the horn of africa recently from northern kenya and learned horse riding and even clothes from somalis and other cushitic group, habesha in the region, u people have great system of assimilating people bravo

Weren't harari a mix of different groups such as Somali, Habash, tribes that would become oromo and maybe some Yemeni?
I'm thinking harari and harla are the same thing.

Most oromo are native to the lands but are conquered people from the original oromo who came from the modern border if Kenya and Ethiopia. The western border of Somalis would've been a vast collection of tiny lowland eat Cushitic tribes similar to us but divided and small due to their geography compared to Somalis who were a massive block due to our flat lands that allowed nomadic expansion from the north.

Oromo were just one of the lowland Cushitic tribes to the west of the Somali who eventually made a system called gaada(?) and unified the small Cushitic tribes into one confederation/extra-ethnicity sort of like Arabs or Han chinese today. Oromo took back alot of cushitic speaking land in the Highlands that were taken by Ethio-Semetic speaking amhara. Which is good since those lands would've meant we could have had 60 million amhar or smth which is why those habasha niggas are crying about the expansion all the time compared to Somali who lost lands also but these were mostly lands we had just recently taken over and was no where near our main agricultural south which was defended by the Ajuuran. Only real loss we had to oromo was hararghe in the Highlands.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Weren't harari a mix of different groups such as Somali, Habash, tribes that would become oromo and maybe some Yemeni?
I'm thinking harari and harla are the same thing.

Most oromo are native to the lands but are conquered people from the original oromo who came from the modern border if Kenya and Ethiopia. The western border of Somalis would've been a vast collection of tiny lowland eat Cushitic tribes similar to us but divided and small due to their geography compared to Somalis who were a massive block due to our flat lands that allowed nomadic expansion from the north.

Oromo were just one of the lowland Cushitic tribes to the west of the Somali who eventually made a system called gaada(?) and unified the small Cushitic tribes into one confederation/extra-ethnicity sort of like Arabs or Han chinese today. Oromo took back alot of cushitic speaking land in the Highlands that were taken by Ethio-Semetic speaking amhara. Which is good since those lands would've meant we could have had 60 million amhar or smth which is why those habasha niggas are crying about the expansion all the time compared to Somali who lost lands also but these were mostly lands we had just recently taken over and was no where near our main agricultural south which was defended by the Ajuuran. Only real loss we had to oromo was hararghe in the Highlands.

sxb harla and harari ain't the same, harari were made by ibnu mujahiid when he built the walls and he forced alot of different group who were living in the city to drop their tribes and become one those includes somalis,arab,indians,turkish,some cushitic groups and alot of argobba habesha refugees, due to teh big argobba numbers now harari speak semitic language, and yes u right some oromo are natives as they are native group to the land who were just assimilated by oromo gada system like the arsi and wollo oromo etc,

harla were farmers and spoke different dialect, they didn't like the nomad qabils as they were chased by them from nugaal by dhulbahante and other qabils, they were native to hararge,nugaal and land they conquered in shewa, somalis are based on 4 category nomad,farmer,fishermen,blacksmith, qabil who belonged to these didn't like each other

 

[Abba Sadacha]

harla were darood stop the we waz kangz and we know u people history u came to the horn of africa recently from northern kenya and learned horse riding and even clothes from somalis and other cushitic group, habesha in the region, u people have great system of assimilating people bravo

Prove it then.
Secondly, some of us came from northern kenya, some clans were in and around the bale area for aloooooong time.
not just assimilating people, we conquered some of the most fertile & well-watered land(s) in Africa. :D

 

[Cartan Boos]

Prove it then.
Secondly, some of us came from northern kenya, some clans were in and around the bale area for aloooooong time.
not just assimilating people, we conquered some of the most fertile & well-watered land(s) in Africa. :D

u know u history very well so don't play dumb, u people only expanded that much bc u had alot of population due to u people being farmers just like the bantu u didn't conquar that much, u were very smart yall waited till the two empires all most destroyed each other and came and populated the land with shear numbers

oromo were described as not wearing clothes but animals skin, when somalis were raiding the borana the british described them as being afraid of people with white clothing aka somalis, oromo didn't start raiding horses tilll they reach up north and learned it from somalis and then breeded the somali horses with the habesha ones, that's the origin of oromo horse riding, al the oromo clans came from norhern kenya not one was native to ethiopia

when u reached hararge yall started dressing like us, white clothing and all, yall cal it sadetta but it's called sadex qeyd

 

[Abba Sadacha]

u know u history very well so don't play dumb, u people only expanded that much bc u had alot of population due to u people being farmers just like the bantu u didn't conquar that much, u were very smart yall waited till the two empires all most destroyed each other and came and populated the land with shear numbers

oromo were described as not wearing clothes but animals skin, when somalis were raiding the borana the british described them as being afraid of people with white clothing aka somalis, oromo didn't start raiding horses tilll they reach up north and learned it from somalis and then breeded the somali horses with the habesha ones, that's the origin of oromo horse riding, al the oromo clans came from norhern kenya not one was native to ethiopia
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when u reached hararge yall started dressing like us, white clothing and all, yall cal it sadetta but it's called sadex qeyd
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At that time, Islam hadn't spread as much (now, Muslim Oromo outnumber other Muslim ethnic groups in the Horn), so we were competing and fighting with both empires, the adal/Muslim and the habesha/abyssinian christian empires, we lost lands to both sides, and they lost lands to us; of course we fought when both sides weakened each other-the same way darood attacked certain oromo clans who were weakened by smallpox, and more reent, somalia attacked ethiopia in 1978 when ethiopia was fighting several rebel groups and dealing with inter-fighting within its own govt.

Oromo been native to Ethiopia my child, you're delusional and lying to yourself.

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get this book, professor mahammad hassan proves it.
now of course, we expanded north, east, everywhere, lol, like any other nation at the time. we started in northern kenya and deep in southern ethiopia.