Random Oromo history thread!

[Cartan Boos]

At that time, Islam hadn't spread as much (now, Muslim Oromo outnumber other Muslim ethnic groups in the Horn), so we were competing and fighting with both empires, the adal/Muslim and the habesha/abyssinian christian empires, we lost lands to both sides, and they lost lands to us; of course we fought when both sides weakened each other-the same way darood attacked certain oromo clans who were weakened by smallpox, and more reent, somalia attacked ethiopia in 1978 when ethiopia was fighting several rebel groups and dealing with inter-fighting within its own govt.

Oromo been native to Ethiopia my child, you're delusional and lying to yourself.

The Oromo and the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia

First full-length history of the Oromo 1300-1700; explains their key part in the medieval Christian kingdom and demonstrates their importance in shaping Ethiopian history. This revisionary account of the Oromo people and the Christian kingdom of Ethiopia transforms our perception of the...

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get this book, professor mahammad hassan proves it.
now of course, we expanded north, east, everywhere, lol, like any other nation at the time. we started in northern kenya and deep in southern ethiopia.

what delusion am impressed but i expect nothing from oromo, oromo inflate their numbers u no bigger than somalis and in the future with the rate of our birth rate we will be 4x u size, what bleak future u have, unless u change ethiopia officail language to oromo u identity will disappear, u fought adal alone fight when adal was standing in their last leg,

ethiopia was poured billions on it by soviet and even US and other seven nations, even with all that u suppliers said yall were going to lose so they send thousand of troops to aid u, yall were always protected pussies either by portuguese or british,french etc

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

At that time, Islam hadn't spread as much (now, Muslim Oromo outnumber other Muslim ethnic groups in the Horn), so we were competing and fighting with both empires, the adal/Muslim and the habesha/abyssinian christian empires, we lost lands to both sides, and they lost lands to us;

If Muslims, why would Oromo be fighting Adal?

 

[Cartan Boos]

If Muslims, why would Oromo be fighting Adal?

they were pagans at that time, they recently became muslims throught somali saints

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

‘’As far as it can hitherto be stated, the Harala were the oldest identifiable population in the Harar Plateau. Between the 14th and 16th centuries they possessed a highly developed peasant civilization with urban centers and stone architecture. When Abadir, or Umar Al-Rida, the legendary ancestor of the Hararis, reached Harar in the early 13th century, he was acknowledged by the Harala, the Gaturi and the Argobba, a Muslim people which originated from the Shawan escarpment of the central Ethiopian highlands. Most probably the present Harari are the last representatives of the ancient Harala whose majority was either wiped out by war and famine in the 16th century or subsequently assimilated by the invading Oromo in the west and by the Somalis in the east. After the Semitic speaking block had dwindled away to the small concentration of Harar town, the history of the plateau over the least 300 years was dominated by these two Cushitic speaking peoples.’’

[Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia: Collected Essays
By Ulrich Braukamper, Ulrich Braukämper, Page 107]

Harla literally identify as Darood, Geri and Harti are related to them lol

 

[Abba Sadacha]

If Muslims, why would Oromo be fighting Adal?

Re-read what I said brother, Islam hadn't spread as much among us by that time.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

they were pagans at that time, they recently became muslims throught somali saints

Some became Muslim as a result of somali shuyookh, others became Muslim in other ways (like arab traders/merchants).

 

[Abba Sadacha]

what delusion am impressed but i expect nothing from oromo, oromo inflate their numbers u no bigger than somalis and in the future with the rate of our birth rate we will be 4x u size, what bleak future u have, unless u change ethiopia officail language to oromo u identity will disappear, u fought adal alone fight when adal was standing in their last leg,

ethiopia was poured billions on it by soviet and even US and other seven nations, even with all that u suppliers said yall were going to lose so they send thousand of troops to aid u, yall were always protected pussies either by portuguese or british,french etc

We do not need to inflate our numbers bro, everyone, even our worst enemies know that we're at least 40 percent of ethiopia's population which is about 108 million.
it'll take a long time to outnumber us, maybe when Isa ibn Maryam, peace be upon him, returns, but by then, the world will almost be done for, so it won't matter.
adal and the habeshas were armed by others, we oromos fought with spears and on horseback, and we held our own and expanded against both sides; that's more than impressive. :D


the same russians who later armed us, armed somalia and trained your army.
neither of us made our own firearms at that point, and we were fighting rebel armies all over the country, including eritrea, and dealing with instability within the govt. it was the perfect time for siad barre's regime to attack, gotta admit that.

 

[Khaemwaset]

If Muslims, why would Oromo be fighting Adal?

They were pagans much like even some somali and other tribes in the deep interior. They were converted to Islam by Ahmad Gurey during the Adal conquests and were pulled into a somali sphere of influence.
Western oromo are Christians because of the Habash influence on them.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

They were pagans much like even some somali and other tribes in the deep interior. They were converted to Islam by Ahmad Gurey during the Adal conquests and were pulled into a somali sphere of influence.
Western oromo are Christians because of the Habash influence on them.

Ahmed gurey didn't spread Islam all over oromo land of course, u know that...just among some groups.
There is a significant Muslim presence in western oromia, and most of the christians are pente/protestant, while the habeshas tend to be orthodox.
the orthodox oromo tend to be the ones most assimilated with/neighbors of, the habeshas, such as those in the north. (Tulama clan/group)

 

[Cartan Boos]

We do not need to inflate our numbers bro, everyone, even our worst enemies know that we're at least 40 percent of ethiopia's population which is about 108 million.
it'll take a long time to outnumber us, maybe when Isa ibn Maryam, peace be upon him, returns, but by then, the world will almost be done for, so it won't matter.
adal and the habeshas were armed by others, we oromos fought with spears and on horseback, and we held our own and expanded against both sides; that's more than impressive. :D


the same russians who later armed us, armed somalia and trained your army.
neither of us made our own firearms at that point, and we were fighting rebel armies all over the country, including eritrea, and dealing with instability within the govt. it was the perfect time for siad barre's regime to attack, gotta admit that.

ethiopia+somalia+kenya, somalis gonna be the biggest ethnic group in kenya in about 20 years and kenya population will be close to 200m after 2050, we will outnumber u ethiopia as whole forget u irrelevent tribe, u have no future as i stated by u dodged that hhh funny, nobody armed adal, we were fighting aidtopians even after portuguees were there to fight for them, after several battle we got helped from ottoman but that was near the end, u came after both states were in literal decline and civil war, u got u ass handed to u by Ajuran empire and forced to migrate up u were nothing but opportunist, ajuran reached all the way to omo valley in their expansiona and destroying u people

ethiopia was 40 million close in the 77s while somalia was less tha 3 mil and still got u ass handed to u even after 7 nations including and US and Spviet poured billions, that's literally the most embarrassing shit in history, u people are destined to be inferior to us in combat and u will be inferior to us in every after somalia get stabilized, yall had 40 years of peace and still nothing to show for it except for starvation and war like the low 63iq yall are

there's reason why we were building cities with 5 storage high buildings and colonizing outside of africa while u aidtopians were chuging spears in u huts

 

[Abba Sadacha]

ethiopia+somalia+kenya, somalis gonna be the biggest ethnic group in kenya in about 20 years and kenya population will be close to 200m after 2050, we will outnumber u ethiopia as whole forget u irrelevent tribe, u have no future as i stated by u dodged that hhh funny, nobody armed adal, we were fighting aidtopians even after portuguees were there to fight for them, after several battle we got helped from ottoman but that was near the end, u came after both states were in literal decline and civil war, u got u ass handed to u by Ajuran empire and forced to migrate up u were nothing but opportunist, ajuran reached all the way to omo valley in their expansiona and destroying u people

ethiopia was 40 million close in the 77s while somalia was less tha 3 mil and still got u ass handed to u even after 7 nations including and US and Spviet poured billions, that's literally the most embarrassing shit in history, u people are destined to be inferior to us in combat and u will be inferior to us in every after somalia get stabilized, yall had 40 years of peace and still nothing to show for it except for starvation and war like the low 63iq yall are

there's reason why we were building cities with 5 storage high buildings and colonizing outside of africa while u aidtopians were chuging spears in u huts

I doubt Somali's will ever out-number us Oromo's, it's just your overly-zealous nationalistic views that are making you say these silly things. You're like a kid drunk on milk, that's about to fall asleep; you're just saying random things & we're just like ''uh huh, sure, yeah if you say so.''
Oromo irrelevant in Ethiopia? Ha. Only a fool lying to himself would say that.
A simple look at history, both recent and the distant past, would refute that lie dude.

The Genesis of the Civil War in Somalia

This study explores the genesis of the civil war in Somalia by analysing the defeat of Somalia in the 1977 Ogaden war, asserting that this defeat, which was prompted by the intervention of the USSR, was a turning point which unleashed long term socio-political forces that led to the collapse of...

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Even Somali authors know Turks armed adal, and europeans armed abyssinians, while oromos were on horseback fighting both sides and holding their own; with NO HELP from the outside world, now that's tough and warrior-like. With no fear.
The 1977 war was already explained, the country was fighting rebel groups on multiple fronts and siad barre took advantage of that, and of the fact that the govt was unstable due to in-fighting. Doesn't take a genius to know that, would be easier to exploit, than a stable and strong neighbor.

Forget building cities, focus on freeing mogadishu bro, from al shabab, and other towns, so that foreign troops and the west doesn't exploit somalia's weakness and inability to establish an efficient and effective govt.

 

[Khaemwaset]

I doubt Somali's will ever out-number us Oromo's, it's just your overly-zealous nationalistic views that are making you say these silly things. You're like a kid drunk on milk, that's about to fall asleep; you're just saying random things & we're just like ''uh huh, sure, yeah if you say so.''
Oromo irrelevant in Ethiopia? Ha. Only a fool lying to himself would say that.
A simple look at history, both recent and the distant past, would refute that lie dude.

The Genesis of the Civil War in Somalia

This study explores the genesis of the civil war in Somalia by analysing the defeat of Somalia in the 1977 Ogaden war, asserting that this defeat, which was prompted by the intervention of the USSR, was a turning point which unleashed long term socio-political forces that led to the collapse of...

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Even Somali authors know Turks armed adal, and europeans armed abyssinians, while oromos were on horseback fighting both sides and holding their own; with NO HELP from the outside world, now that's tough and warrior-like. With no fear.
The 1977 war was already explained, the country was fighting rebel groups on multiple fronts and siad barre took advantage of that, and of the fact that the govt was unstable due to in-fighting. Doesn't take a genius to know that, would be easier to exploit, than a stable and strong neighbor.

Forget building cities, focus on freeing mogadishu bro, from al shabab, and other towns, so that foreign troops and the west doesn't exploit somalia's weakness and inability to establish an efficient and effective govt.

Not saying oromo are irrelevant or anything like the other user.
Somali do have the chance of getting a higher population than oromo in the coming decades, looking at Somaliweyn, since we have large land that is now being utilised for agriculture in a fast pace.

Ofc the turks armed Adal, large shipments of guns and canons were coming through the ports of Zelia to support the Imams Jihad against the habasha. However Turkish involvement wasn't nearly as strong as the Portuguese who literally had soldiers on the ground fighting Somali/Adalite knights.

After Adal and Abyssinia agreed on peace after the following invasions after the Imam's death were not nearly as successful. Both empires were completely exhausted and were lacking in millitary strength. The Oromo took notice and invaded when they knew they would face the least resistance. Arguing we had guns dissmisses the point we just came out of a multi-decades long holy war that put the empire on the brink of collapse.

In 1977 siad barre invaded, he planed this for years during the reign of Halie Salassie and was given support from the soviets as he was socialist however the emperor was killed in a revolution and now Ethopia became communist the soviets switched up and warned siad against invasion. Siad barre wanted unity at any cost and still went ahead with the invasion knowing that the communist bloc was going to go against him. He tried to appeal for US support but it was too little too late and it was Somalia against the soviets, Cuba, north Korea even, who all backed Ethiopia as they saw Somalia not fighting to restore their lost lands stolen by colonialism, but just a socialist state attacking another socialist state so they fought us.

Somalia didn't even need to wait for a civil war. During the later years of Halie Salassie's reign Somalia had a good chance of a successful invasion. Civil war after his assassination just made it easier for us. And it was, Somalia took back nearly all of ogaden quickly but as the communist aid to Ethiopia at all levels from millitary advisors to weapons supply to even soldiers on ground started to pile up, Somalia was defeated. It was not Somalia vs Ethiopia. It was Somalia vs communism. Ethiopia alone got smoked.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

‘’As far as it can hitherto be stated, the Harala were the oldest identifiable population in the Harar Plateau. Between the 14th and 16th centuries they possessed a highly developed peasant civilization with urban centers and stone architecture. When Abadir, or Umar Al-Rida, the legendary ancestor of the Hararis, reached Harar in the early 13th century, he was acknowledged by the Harala, the Gaturi and the Argobba, a Muslim people which originated from the Shawan escarpment of the central Ethiopian highlands. Most probably the present Harari are the last representatives of the ancient Harala whose majority was either wiped out by war and famine in the 16th century or subsequently assimilated by the invading Oromo in the west and by the Somalis in the east. After the Semitic speaking block had dwindled away to the small concentration of Harar town, the history of the plateau over the least 300 years was dominated by these two Cushitic speaking peoples.’’

[Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia: Collected Essays
By Ulrich Braukamper, Ulrich Braukämper, Page 107]

Harla were Somali and descended from Darood. Hilarious that an Oromo is claiming them tho.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Not saying oromo are irrelevant or anything like the other user.
Somali do have the chance of getting a higher population than oromo in the coming decades, looking at Somaliweyn, since we have large land that is now being utilised for agriculture in a fast pace.

Ofc the turks armed Adal, large shipments of guns and canons were coming through the ports of Zelia to support the Imams Jihad against the habasha. However Turkish involvement wasn't nearly as strong as the Portuguese who literally had soldiers on the ground fighting Somali/Adalite knights.

After Adal and Abyssinia agreed on peace after the following invasions after the Imam's death were not nearly as successful. Both empires were completely exhausted and were lacking in millitary strength. The Oromo took notice and invaded when they knew they would face the least resistance. Arguing we had guns dissmisses the point we just came out of a multi-decades long holy war that put the empire on the brink of collapse.

In 1977 siad barre invaded, he planed this for years during the reign of Halie Salassie and was given support from the soviets as he was socialist however the emperor was killed in a revolution and now Ethopia became communist the soviets switched up and warned siad against invasion. Siad barre wanted unity at any cost and still went ahead with the invasion knowing that the communist bloc was going to go against him. He tried to appeal for US support but it was too little too late and it was Somalia against the soviets, Cuba, north Korea even, who all backed Ethiopia as they saw Somalia not fighting to restore their lost lands stolen by colonialism, but just a socialist state attacking another socialist state so they fought us.

Somalia didn't even need to wait for a civil war. During the later years of Halie Salassie's reign Somalia had a good chance of a successful invasion. Civil war after his assassination just made it easier for us. And it was, Somalia took back nearly all of ogaden quickly but as the communist aid to Ethiopia at all levels from millitary advisors to weapons supply to even soldiers on ground started to pile up, Somalia was defeated. It was not Somalia vs Ethiopia. It was Somalia vs communism. Ethiopia alone got smoked.

Time alone will tell, because the Oromo already outnumber you guys by a lot, so maybe by the time Jesus (pbuh) returns, then you will outnumber us then, but by then, it won't even matter.

The adal and abyssinians had guns and assistance from the outside world, and the oromo had nothing but ourselves and horses, yet we held our own, and got much lands back, of course we attacked at that time, the same way somalia attacked ethiopia when it was weakened by fighting rebel armies all over ethiopia/in eritrea, and was dealing with an unstable govt fighting itself within.

Somalia took the ogaden, true, but long term, it would've failed, simply because permanently occupying land long-term, is much different than temporarily taking it in a war, a war with an already unstable country and govt... even super powers around the world spend billions if not more, trying to do such things and eventually have to pull out and leave, since it's too much to deal with... forget about poor countries like ethiopia, somalia, etc, who cannot afford to do so... also do not forget that, somalia was armed by the same groups who armed ethiopia, it was not producing its own arms at the time... bragging about beating us then, is like ethiopia bragging about its ability to beat the sna of somalia today, which is not strong enough to handle a few thousand shabab kids in the south....

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Harla were Somali and descended from Darood. Hilarious that an Oromo is claiming them tho.
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at least u brought proof, but re-read what I posted, I didn't say Harla were Oromo.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Time alone will tell, because the Oromo already outnumber you guys by a lot, so maybe by the time Jesus (pbuh) returns, then you will outnumber us then, but by then, it won't even matter.

The adal and abyssinians had guns and assistance from the outside world, and the oromo had nothing but ourselves and horses, yet we held our own, and got much lands back, of course we attacked at that time, the same way somalia attacked ethiopia when it was weakened by fighting rebel armies all over ethiopia/in eritrea, and was dealing with an unstable govt fighting itself within.

Somalia took the ogaden, true, but long term, it would've failed, simply because permanently occupying land long-term, is much different than temporarily taking it in a war, a war with an already unstable country and govt... even super powers around the world spend billions if not more, trying to do such things and eventually have to pull out and leave, since it's too much to deal with... forget about poor countries like ethiopia, somalia, etc, who cannot afford to do so... also do not forget that, somalia was armed by the same groups who armed ethiopia, it was not producing its own arms at the time... bragging about beating us then, is like ethiopia bragging about its ability to beat the sna of somalia today, which is not strong enough to handle a few thousand shabab kids in the south....

Oromo are basically the same population as Somali with maybe a 2 mil difference lmao.

You guys don't understand that somalis werent occupying the Ogaden in the same sense as a foriegner. Ogaden saw Ethiopians as the occupiers.
Many somalis have familial ties across the border and regularly cross it.
Somalis took the Ogaden so quickly because people there were already fighting and helping the snm.

If Ethiopia wasn't backing by the soviet bloc somalis would have taken the Ogaden and kept it. There would be no resistance because we are literally the same people and those in the Ogaden had millitia groups fighting for the purpose to join somalia.

How have you spent so long in this forum without understanding how somalis view themselves. No somali in ogaden, Somalia, Djibouti or NFD sees themselves as a part of or close to Ethiopia or Kenya. We view ourselves as a seperate entity to Ethiopians whilst you lot see each other as Ethiopian tribes.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Oromo are basically the same population as Somali with maybe a 2 mil difference lmao.

You guys don't understand that somalis werent occupying the Ogaden in the same sense as a foriegner. Ogaden saw Ethiopians as the occupiers.
Many somalis have familial ties across the border and regularly cross it.
Somalis took the Ogaden so quickly because people there were already fighting and helping the snm.

If Ethiopia wasn't backing by the soviet bloc somalis would have taken the Ogaden and kept it. There would be no resistance because we are literally the same people and those in the Ogaden had millitia groups fighting for the purpose to join somalia.

How have you spent so long in this forum without understanding how somalis view themselves. No somali in ogaden, Somalia, Djibouti or NFD sees themselves as a part of or close to Ethiopia or Kenya. We view ourselves as a seperate entity to Ethiopians whilst you lot see each other as Ethiopian tribes.

So you're saying Somali's are 46 million strong? Lol, okay, and the sky is green and pink bro, whatever helps you feel better is fine.
Because the Oromo are 40% of Ethiopia's 120 million population; so that's 48 million.

That's good bro, they took it quick, but didn't hold it permanently, that's what matters in the long run. A quick victory, that led to a long-lasting defeat, isn't something to brag about, with all due respect.

That's good, we can say 'if'' all day, to a million different scenarios bro, but the past occurred, and nothing we say can change that.


I get that part, yes, somali's do not consider themselves to be ethiopian....
Somali's in Ethiopia isolating themselves from the politics of the country, does more harm than good, and you can see big habesha churches right in the middle of the somali region, so regardless of what you say, it's obvious that it's ethiopia there too.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

''A railway has been projected to run from the French port of Jibuti, Tajura Bay, through Elba in the Harar district to Addis Ababa.
The coast section was in progress in 1901, and should it ever be completed the whole way, which seems doubtful, Jibuti must become the chief outlet for the rich and varied produce of Oromoland, much of which at present finds its way by the old caravan route through the Arsi territory to the British ports of Zeila, Bulhar, and Berbera, on the Gulf of Aden.
This route, followed from time immemorial by the Arsi and Ittu Oromos, is scarcely known to the outer world, and has not yet been followed by any European traveller.
It was known, however, to Cecchi, who was informed by the native traders that beyond Harar it turns sharply round to the west as far as the neighborhood of Ankober, where it bifurcates, one branch penetrating into Shoa over the Ittu chain, the other turning south-west and reaching South-Ethiopia over a pass in the Arsi range.
By this trade route Harar is reached in a month from the remotest confines of Kaffa, and in 2 or 3 weeks from the heart of Oromo-land, whereas the northern routes through Abyssinia proper to Massawa and Assab are both much longer and far more difficult.
The chief distances are:- Massawa by Saati and Asmara to Adua/Adwa, capital of Tigre, 104 miles; Adua to Sakota, converging point of several trade routes from the coast and the interior, 110; Sokota to the Italian port of Assab, 240 ; Sokota to Basso, the great market of Gojjam, near the Shoa frontier, 180; Basso to Leqa, the great market of Oromo-land, 120; Leqa to Bonga, the great market of Kaffa, 115 ; Bonga to Harar over the Arsi range, 270 ; Harar to the coast of Zeila and Jibuti, 192 and 130.

The Ethiopian uplands appear to have been originally peopled by the eastern branch of the Hamitic family, which has occupied this region from the remotest times, and still constitute the great bulk of its inhabitants.
But their domain was encroached upon probably in the Stone Age, but certainly before the historic period, both by the uncultured negroes of the white nile and by the culture himyaritic semites from south arabia.
The presence of these elements is still conscpicuous, especially in Northern Ethiopia, where the blends between blacks, hamites and semites are so numerous and widespread that the natives, who call themselves ''Itiopiawin [Ethiopians], are known to the Arabs as Habashi ''mixed,'' whence our terms ''Abyssinia'' and ''Abyssinians.''


[The Encyclopaedia Britannica ...: A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences and General Literature ... in Thirty Volumes with New American Supplement, Volume 25; Published in 1902
Pages 14-16]

hmmm these old trade routes may be resurrected guys?!

 

[Zak12]

So you're saying Somali's are 46 million strong? Lol, okay, and the sky is green and pink bro, whatever helps you feel better is fine.
Because the Oromo are 40% of Ethiopia's 120 million population; so that's 48 million.

That's good bro, they took it quick, but didn't hold it permanently, that's what matters in the long run. A quick victory, that led to a long-lasting defeat, isn't something to brag about, with all due respect.

That's good, we can say 'if'' all day, to a million different scenarios bro, but the past occurred, and nothing we say can change that.


I get that part, yes, somali's do not consider themselves to be ethiopian....
Somali's in Ethiopia isolating themselves from the politics of the country, does more harm than good, and you can see big habesha churches right in the middle of the somali region, so regardless of what you say, it's obvious that it's ethiopia there too.

Somalis should isolate themselves because we want nothing to do with Oromo-Amhara-Tigray conflicts that have caused the death of millions. Somalis should not drag themselves into that

 

[Daadhi Tarree]

Somalis should isolate themselves because we want nothing to do with Oromo-Amhara-Tigray conflicts that have caused the death of millions. Somalis should not drag themselves into that

Agreed brother