my gadabursi friend says that they subbort an united somalia, but don't want to fight isaaq and bring fitna to their people...
Random Oromo history thread!
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my gadabursi friend says that they subbort an united somalia, but don't want to fight isaaq and bring fitna to their people...
''According to Oromo and Somali traditions of origin the earliest home of both the Oromo and the Somali was South Arabia until both of them migrated to Somalia. As a matter of fact, one version of the origin of the word “Oromo” is said to have been derived from the name of a tribal leader who was the son of Omer of Ghellad from Arabia, who crossed the sea to Berbera and settled in Africa. The Somalis, too, somehow trace their origin in Arabia. An important Somali tribe, the Ishaak, for instance, claim that they are the descendants of an Arab Sheik, Ishaak Ibn Ahmed, who arrived in Somali land between the 11th and 15th century. He married an Abyssinian woman and had four children who created the Habr Toljaala, an important Somali confederacy. The sons of the Abyssinian woman who established their own clan were Mohammed Abokr (Ibran), Ibrahim (Sambur), Musa Abokr (Jaalo) and Ahmed (Toljaalo). Thus in the veins of one of the most important Somali tribe flows a drop of Abyssinian (Tigre/Amhara) blood.
Regardless of whether the Oromos and the Somalis had migrated to Somalia from Arabia, it has been established by scholars that both of them had found themselves together in Somalia one time or another be it as friends or foes until the Oromo were driven from there under the pressure of Islam at least by the 12th Century. Both the Oromo and Somali had to live together in Ethiopia as well. As a matter of fact, the Arsi and Borena Oromos intermixed with the influential Somali tribe, the Geraa or Garre. The Bah Girei, one of the two tribes of the most important family of Southern Somalia descends from an Oromo mother. The Oromo and Somali now live together mainly in the Ethiopian provinces of Harer, Bale and Arsi sharing the same religion, economy and culture, using the same tools, and wearing more or less the same dresses, ornaments and hair styles as those of their Afar and Saho relatives and neighbors.
The Oromo did not mix and live together only with the Somali and the Afar the past 500 years. They also mixed with and influenced the Amhara, the Sidama, the Bale, the Gafat, the Hadiya, the Gurage, the Damot and many other peoples. Their impact particularly upon the Amhara religion, language, culture, politics and history was immense. The Oromo outnumber every ethnic group. The Amhara are next to the Oromo in number. Nevertheless, almost every Amhara has some Oromo lineage way down her or his genealogy. In Gojam, a person without an Oromo lineage is considered to be not a “real” Gojame. This holds true even for the Gojame nobles. Dejazmach Tulu, the governor of Damot around 1700, who was married to Woizero Welete Selassie, one of the daughters of Atse Iyasu I, was an Oromo, Dejazmach weld Abib, who was appointed as the governor of Gojam in 1745 during the reign of Atse Eyasu II, was another Oromo. His son, Dejazmach Yosedek, married Princess Welete Israel, the daughter of Etege Mentewab and Grazmach Iyasu. She mothered Ras Hailu and Ras Goshu, the two prominent rulers of Gojam. The Oromo rulers of Gojam claimed Abyssinian royal blood lineage through her.''
Regardless of whether the Oromos and the Somalis had migrated to Somalia from Arabia, it has been established by scholars that both of them had found themselves together in Somalia one time or another be it as friends or foes until the Oromo were driven from there under the pressure of Islam at least by the 12th Century. Both the Oromo and Somali had to live together in Ethiopia as well. As a matter of fact, the Arsi and Borena Oromos intermixed with the influential Somali tribe, the Geraa or Garre. The Bah Girei, one of the two tribes of the most important family of Southern Somalia descends from an Oromo mother. The Oromo and Somali now live together mainly in the Ethiopian provinces of Harer, Bale and Arsi sharing the same religion, economy and culture, using the same tools, and wearing more or less the same dresses, ornaments and hair styles as those of their Afar and Saho relatives and neighbors.
The Oromo did not mix and live together only with the Somali and the Afar the past 500 years. They also mixed with and influenced the Amhara, the Sidama, the Bale, the Gafat, the Hadiya, the Gurage, the Damot and many other peoples. Their impact particularly upon the Amhara religion, language, culture, politics and history was immense. The Oromo outnumber every ethnic group. The Amhara are next to the Oromo in number. Nevertheless, almost every Amhara has some Oromo lineage way down her or his genealogy. In Gojam, a person without an Oromo lineage is considered to be not a “real” Gojame. This holds true even for the Gojame nobles. Dejazmach Tulu, the governor of Damot around 1700, who was married to Woizero Welete Selassie, one of the daughters of Atse Iyasu I, was an Oromo, Dejazmach weld Abib, who was appointed as the governor of Gojam in 1745 during the reign of Atse Eyasu II, was another Oromo. His son, Dejazmach Yosedek, married Princess Welete Israel, the daughter of Etege Mentewab and Grazmach Iyasu. She mothered Ras Hailu and Ras Goshu, the two prominent rulers of Gojam. The Oromo rulers of Gojam claimed Abyssinian royal blood lineage through her.''
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The Oromo homeland was in Southern Ethiopia when the Barento went east into Haraghe and the Borana expanded into western Ethiopia and later into Somali land in Kenya and southern Somalia.
The only reason why a majority of Muslim clans claim paternal ancestry to Arabia is for the prestige and nothing more, genetic evidence shows that, for E-V32 Somalis their last shared ancestor with promo was over 4,000 years ago.
We have a shared culture being that we are all Cushitic, alongside Amhara and Tigray who have lost their original language.
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You wish this was true but Oromos come from Kenya like the Bantus. Oromos did not inhabit Somalia in the 12th century.
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Bantus migrated from Cameroon and Nigeria area and only arrived in East Africa within the last 2,000 years, they absorbed the Southern Cushitics.
Lol that's funny. The truth is, all we have are theories. some say arabia, in the pre islamic period, is where our ancestors came from (ancestors of oromos, somalis, afars), etc, and others say kenya, etc.
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It’s just blatantly false that Oromos did not inhabit Somalia at that time, unless you’re talking about slaves.
The theory, like others, can be partially true and partially false... it could be that oromo lived there and got pushed to ethiopia by the expanding somali nomads, the same way somali clans pushed other clans out of lands, and the same way oromos took some lands from some somali clans, etc.
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Oromos are from Bale
Do Oromo actually believe they inhabited the Somalia
They inhabited northern Kenya and some areas near the Jubba but these were all medieval migrants and they displaced/absorbed Somali clans. They were not displaced from Somalia the 12 the century as that article claims.
They’re origin is in the Bale area/ mid Ethiopian highlands where they herded cattle until they started migrating across the Horn in the Middle Ages.
Eid Mubarak.
It’s totally false. The reason Arbore,Bayso and Rendille are closer to Somalia is because Samalic speakers formed a continuous settlement across modern Eastern Ethiopia/ Somalia and Northern Kenya. Oromos put steroids in their coffee around the 14th century and decided to start exploring the Horn. This is when they start to encounter Somali nomads and others.
Steroids in coffee is hilarious.
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tbf they didn't get coffee or khat until they came to Hararghe.
The coffee thing was a joke to describe the mass and often aggresivemovements of Oromos in the Middle Ages. You would have probably read the threads in how the walls in Harar etc were built to stop their encroachment at a time when many of them were non Muslims. Having said that, drinking/eating coffee beans with honey etc is most likely an ancient Cushitic practice. Coffee bean ceremonies were central to many Oromo rituals. Did you mean modern Qahwa?
Joking aside, they probably migrated out of their homelands due to population growth and a social context of their gada war/political system. It would be interesting if more Sociologists and anthropologists how the Gada system impacted their deep dives across Ethiopia/Somalia. Christopher Ehret often talks about how we should refrain from judging Nomadic/Agro pastoral as not being able to come up with advanced ideas. I read the the priests in their religion were not allowed to seek political offices. They were using sophisticated guerilla tactics in the Middle Ages. The was a certain level of organisation to the Oromos when you get beyond the testicle trophy business.
NidarNidar
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You might be right, I remember reading accounts that the most diverse coffee strains are from the Southwest, it's great for people who have the warrior gene mutation, it slows down dopamine usage, and I literally can't function without having my daily cup.The coffee thing was a joke to describe the mass and often aggresivemovements of Oromos in the Middle Ages. You would have probably read the threads in how the walls in Harar etc were built to stop their encroachment at a time when many of them were non Muslims. Having said that, drinking/eating coffee beans with honey etc is most likely an ancient Cushitic practice. Coffee bean ceremonies were central to many Oromo rituals. Did you mean modern Qahwa?
Joking aside, they probably migrated out of their homelands due to population growth and a social context of their gada war/political system. It would be interesting if more Sociologists and anthropologists how the Gada system impacted their deep dives across Ethiopia/Somalia. Christopher Ehret often talks about how we should refrain from judging Nomadic/Agro pastoral as not being able to come up with advanced ideas. I read the the priests in their religion were not allowed to seek political offices. They were using sophisticated guerilla tactics in the Middle Ages. The was a certain level of organisation to the Oromos when you get beyond the testicle trophy business.
Oromo are smart, they don't discriminate they just absorb.
“The [Oromo in their long distance travel or on a campaigns] traverse immense deserts, carrying nothing to eat with them but the berries of the coffee tree roasted and pulverized, which they mix with [butter] to a certain consistency that will permit of its being rolled into masses about the size of billiards balls and then put in leathern gags until required for use. One of these balls, they claim will support them for a whole day, [during travels or] in active war, better than a loaf of bread or a meal of meat, because it cheers their spirits as well as feeds them”.
Travels to Discover the Source of the Nile (1790), James Bruce
East Africans understood the impact of coffe on the brain and body before western scientists
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Lmao yeah, it has a huge affect for us with GG, on average I do better with coffee, I always wondered how people can do so many things and not feel wrecked mentally, until I discovered coffee I couldn't even watch a show for more then 2-3 episodes, or I was more prone to skip parts.“The [Oromo in their long distance travel or on a campaigns] traverse immense deserts, carrying nothing to eat with them but the berries of the coffee tree roasted and pulverized, which they mix with [butter] to a certain consistency that will permit of its being rolled into masses about the size of billiards balls and then put in leathern gags until required for use. One of these balls, they claim will support them for a whole day, [during travels or] in active war, better than a loaf of bread or a meal of meat, because it cheers their spirits as well as feeds them”.
Travels to Discover the Source of the Nile (1790), James Bruce
East Africans understood the impact of coffe on the brain and body before western scientists
This guys claiming entire Somali clans as being oromo on a Somali forum and nobodies noticed, Allah somalida habarsana
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