Majority of Algerian women agree that domestic violence makes them happy

[Mercury]

I used to think that domestic abuse rarely happens in the Somali community

In Somalia and much of East Africa the assaults are carried out verbally, physical side doesn't work with our women as they will fight back. Each to their own.

Theres abuse in the Somali community But its ceeb to talk about it they Will tell you domestic abuse waa caadi naf baa lugu qaali jiray but im shocked about out the ones putting up with domestic abuse rag iyo dumar ba

My cousin in Germany told me his neighbour was beaten up by her husband during the middle of the day she ran out on to the street with her two kids holding on to her 6 months old child with a broken arm while he was chasing her down the road with a knife.. yaab 3months down the line she gets back with him..ceebta aduunka

 

[Bohol]

That is why I think halimos should be thankful they don't get blue and black eyes in Somali relationships. It is not in our culture, it
is considered ceeb for a man to beat his woman. Foreplay sure but not real beating.

 

[Gambar]

That is why I think halimos should be thankful they don't get blue and black eyes in Somali relationships. It is not in our culture, it
is considered ceeb for a man to beat his woman. Foreplay sure but not real beating.

Somali men are maskeen (in my opinion) but wahhabism plays a part in the abuse of Somali women.

It was common before that for a woman to go on a "safar" and for the husband not to care much but now they are obsessed with keeping her locked up like property because of wahhabism.

 

[Bohol]

@Gambar It is a cultural thing nothing to do with maskeeniimo,
we know Somali men can be very violent it is just they are not used to hitting girls like
Arabs, Arab men are raised from young age that it is okay to hit girls were's it is the
opposite for Somali men. I am not a wahabi but even I would get suspicious if my wife
was going out on holidays by herself. It has to be reasonable though not locking her
up 24hrs.

 

[government]

Somali men are maskeen (in my opinion) but wahhabism plays a part in the abuse of Somali women.

It was common before that for a woman to go on a "safar" and for the husband not to care much but now they are obsessed with keeping her locked up like property because of wahhabism.

What kind of Safar are you talking about

 

[Burhan]

Nice try sxb but I speak Arabic. اضربهن - idiribuhunna/ daraba has always been translated to mean hit/ hit them. It's interesting that the scholars pick the word beat, among the many alternatives, when the relationship between a man and a woman is involved.

I agree that daraba is a multi meaning verb sort of like the English word ' strike' and 'get'. I've seen it used in the Qur'an to mean different things depending on the contexts but I've never heard it used as 'cite them'. The most common counter argument I've encountered is that it's suppose to translate to 'leave them' but even that is flimsy since anytime divorce is mentioned in the Qur'an the word talaq was explicitly used.

Either way, there are several tafsirs that agree that a man can hit his wife

You repeated what I mentioned. And the story these several translators used. They have no support for lightly beating or hardly beating a wife. They have no evidence from the authentic sayings to back up their translation.

No one is perfect in Islam and these translators are not.

You have no case. Wait for another mention of some Muslim doing something stupid and jump on it as Islam at work.

This case is done.

 

[Burhan]

@Gambar It is a cultural thing nothing to do with maskeeniimo,
we know Somali men can be very violent it is just they are not used to hitting girls like
Arabs, Arab men are raised from young age that it is okay to hit girls were's it is the
opposite for Somali men. I am not a wahabi but even I would get suspicious if my wife
was going out on holidays by herself. It has to be reasonable though not locking her
up 24hrs.

And that is the issue. It is cultural. They buried women before Islam. So retaining some measure like beat them with miwak is a small victory in their mind.

We are Somalis. We spoil women.

 

[Inquisitive_]

My cousin in Germany told me his neighbour was beaten up by her husband during the middle of the day she ran out on to the street with her two kids holding on to her 6 months old child with a broken arm while he was chasing her down the road with a knife.. yaab 3months down the line she gets back with him..ceebta aduunka

The human being only tolerates the stuff they love, as irrational as that may seem, many of these women see pain & love as being inclusive and inseparable.

I have met some of these women in the past and from experience I understood why the male's beat them routinely because it's the only way that chick would respect you and not cross bounds, even the smarter conscious male's will tell you this, that this very act of savagery saves the marriage from falling apart.

It's very irrational when you think about it but human's are mostly irrational to begin with except a few, that doesn't mean that i approve of this but it's the ugly reality.

A large group of women are like this and I tend to steer clear from such women, they are mostly of the ghetto/gangster/chav low-self-esteem varieties.

These are predisposition for physical beatings to save the marriage, the example you cited is a case were the guy went overboard but it's not a big deal, in fact in situations like these erring on the side of too much is better then too little which is more risky.

From the male perspective the psychology is very simple why some decide to beat and others don't, it all comes down to the insatiable masculine desire of unquestionable respect/loyalty from the women.

In the 21st century, there is only a few ways to obtain this respect, you either earn it through bringing something of substantial value to the table that dwarfs the little she brings for which she is too scared to violate those principles in fear of loosing out (this could be wealth, honour, prestigious title, power etc.)

The semi-smart women will never gamble on this nor push you much if you fulfil those criteria's adequately to her standards, however if you don't full-fill these 21'st century standards, there is only 2 other ways open for you to gain this unquestionable loyalty/respect from her.

That's either through overpowering her with physical might (beating her to show case power) or applying the more effective psychological warfare which is to punish her in other ways when she crosses those limits.

The problem is that the later works on semi-smart women that will respond positively, but it fails on the ghetto/gangster/chav low-self esteem chick that will show even more disrespect as they are shameless the only solution is to beat her physically or divorce her.

For these types of women (should be avoided at all cost) physical beating is the only remedy to attain a semblance of respect/loyalty and the continuity of the relationship, there is absolutely no other way, even if you fulfil the value criteria, these chicks are too stupid to even know the difference and such men usually don't go for them anyway

 

[T1a]

If they enjoy getting hit then

 

[MadNomad]

You repeated what I mentioned. And the story these several translators used. They have no support for lightly beating or hardly beating a wife. They have no evidence from the authentic sayings to back up their translation.

No one is perfect in Islam and these translators are not.

You have no case. Wait for another mention of some Muslim doing something stupid and jump on it as Islam at work.

This case is done.

Translators? Sxb these men are viewed as some of the greatest scholars in Islamic history. I'm fairly sure they were well versed in Arabic and knew what the word meant. For more than a thousand years the word was known to mean "hit" by all major scholars, the only argument was about how severe. Are you going to claim your Arabic is better than theirs?

 

[Gambar]

@Gambar It is a cultural thing nothing to do with maskeeniimo,
we know Somali men can be very violent it is just they are not used to hitting girls like
Arabs, Arab men are raised from young age that it is okay to hit girls were's it is the
opposite for Somali men. I am not a wahabi but even I would get suspicious if my wife
was going out on holidays by herself. It has to be reasonable though not locking her
up 24hrs.

Oh I forgot isaaq men are not maskeen!

 

[Burhan]

Translators? Sxb these men are viewed as some of the greatest scholars in Islamic history. I'm fairly sure they were well versed in Arabic and knew what the word meant. For more than a thousand years the word was known to mean "hit" by all major scholars, the only argument was about how severe. Are you going to claim your Arabic is better than theirs?

It doesn't matter how great someone is viewed in Islam. They can be wrong on certain issues. Most leading scholars and Imams had some views that were not accepted. It does not diminish their stature in Islam. No one is immune to mistakes. The verse talked about conflict resolutions and steps a man should take to bring about positive change and solve problems with his wife. How does beating a woman solve that problem? And why would they need to lighten the impact by claiming light beating? What prophetic evidence did they use to support this translation?

Indhribuuhuna in this case means report/cite/put forth etc to an authority as the final step. Someone authorized to settle the conflict This is when all else fails. Obviously, if you failed to sway your wife by taking the first steps suggested in the same verse, beating her up afterwards solves nothing. It is not what the verse intended to suggest.


Spare me the repetitive argument please. I said the same thing to Dhegdheer, take it or leave it. Dhegdher tried to strengthen her view by letting me know she speaks Arabic. Well, Abu Lahab Spoke Arabic. His Arabic meant Nil in the scheme of things. And some on this website were born in Saudi Arabia and they seem messed up beings compared to Somalis who never set foot in the Middle east and speak no Arabic.

 

[Bohol]

Oh I forgot isaaq men are not maskeen!

I am not a maskiin certainly, I might be civilized but if provoked my inner bear comes out.

 

[John Michael]

North african women are very obedient & traditional Masha'allah. They would make perfect wives for us Somali fellas.

They're s sxb.

 

[MadNomad]

It doesn't matter how great someone is viewed in Islam. They can be wrong on certain issues. Most leading scholars and Imams had some views that were not accepted. It does not diminish their stature in Islam. No one is immune to mistakes. The verse talked about conflict resolutions and steps a man should take to bring about positive change and solve problems with his wife. How does beating a woman solve that problem? And why would they need to lighten the impact by claiming light beating?

Indhribuuhuna in this case means report/cite/put forth etc to an authority as the final step. This is when all else fails. Obviously, if you failed to sway your wife by taking the first steps suggested in the same verse, beating her up afterwards solves nothing. It is not what the verse intended to suggest.


Spare me the repetitive argument please. I said the same thing to Dhegdheer, take it or leave it. Dhegdher tried to strengthen her view by letting me know she speaks Arabic. Well, Abu Lahab Spoke Arabic. His Arabic meant Nil in the scheme of things. And some on this website were born in Saudi Arabia and they seem messed up beings compared to Somalis who never set foot in the Middle east and speak no Arabic.

If the woman is disobedient, and she persists in her disobedience, you're allowed to beat her into submission. Makes perfect sense for the time.

Either way, i'm not going to try and convince you of anything. If it makes you feel better believing that then by all means do so. I'm personally going with Occam's razor on this one.

 

[Arman]

Why don't you quote that for simplicity. Personally, I never saw that. And it doesn't mean I know everything out there. But quote it if you can/may.

Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

Btw, this hadith is Sahih Bukhari.

 

[Inquisitive_]

So the Europhile atheist have now began to argue about issues of morality as if they live in some Utopia ? reading these people comments you would think they are Neanderthal Whites until you realise they are pathetic conformist weak black supine Farah's that have voluntary thrown themselves into slavery.

Nacalad ba na igu taalo ***. Your own pathetic arguments of 'consent' which you use to argue for homosexuality can be applied here as well, if the women consents that violence makes her happy, who are you to argue against her or play the morality police here ?

The same way no one says anything when the widely practised sadomasochism and other sadistic acts happen between consenting adults amongst the Europhiles even in public !

The hypocrisy of these vile people knows no bounds.

 

[Arman]

if the women consents that violence

Show me where I argued that.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

They're s sxb.

Scrolled through the comments & looks like Morrocan chicks are gaining a ty reputation.
:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Burhan]

Btw, this hadith is Sahih Bukhari.

Same false narrative again to feed an obsession with Islam and its prophet. The word used in the Hadith is Lahada which means "Pushed Away" and Not "Struck". So pushing away a woman by pressing your hand on her breasts can hurt for their sensitivity even if you don't mean to hurt her.


Using Quran and Hadith to fit your gaalnimo narrative is what you do best. I can quote an article now in the news where they have a picture of a man wailing and carrying his daughter to run from the War ongoing in Mosul. And all the comments underneath that picture by Americans are just as vile as you folks write on here. Always blaming Muslims, Blaming Islam to the point where you can't see the humanity of a person, and in your case the humanity of your own blood simply because they are Muslims.


Move on dude, there is nothing here for you to hang on. I knew you would come back with this, but I had to wait until you found your alleged no-evidence evidence.


Failure always a failure.