Islam is the only hope for Native Americans to make a comeback

[Samaalic Era]

@Samaalic Era wllahi they're defeated. They're done for. Their youth's mind is destoryed, alcohol abuse, gang, drugs, suicide, depression. The gov allows them to earn asinos and gives them tens of thousands of dollars when they become adult...for FREE...and they blow it. They're losing their heritage and genes too. There's a large community in the state of Iowa and they live like slaves to themselves.

They're isolated and forgotten. The white man won.

There situation is very sad. They have lost the will to live

 

[Luciddreamer]

I don't think he even knows what a strawman argument is
@Samaalic Era is pure emotion, zero reasoning ability

i cant judge the man, been there myself plenty of times.

 

[Ayubi]

I don't think he even knows what a strawman argument is
@Samaalic Era is pure emotion, zero reasoning ability

It's not just @Samaalic Era's people but most or all Somalis were responsible for the destruction. Secondly, it's not about what Islam has done for them, it's about did they obey the command of Islam. Islam tells us not to lie, cheat, steal, not to kill, pay charity, help the poor, obey your parents and the list goes on and on. If Somalis obeyed the rules of Islam, we would not be in the mess. We would be a developed country right now.

 

[Ayubi]

There situation is very sad. They have lost the will to live

It's sad. Also the amount of Abuse they been through by the white man trying to erase their culture and assimilate them in these residential schools.

 

[TheAnswer]

It's not just @Samaalic Era's people but most or all Somalis were responsible for the destruction. Secondly, it's not about what Islam has done for them, it's about did they obey the command of Islam. Islam tells us not to lie, cheat, steal, not to kill, pay charity, help the poor, obey your parents and the list goes on and on. If Somalis obeyed the rules of Islam, we would not be in the mess. We would be a developed country right now.

And I'm sure if Native Americans lived according to their own traditional norms, they would not be alcoholics with entirely dysfunctional family-units and communities.

The point is, Islam is not better suited to making a people behave better than other belief systems. So therefore there is no point running around promoting it as some sort of 'silver bullet' that can transform people, like the dog @Samaalic Era is doing in this thread. If Islam could save any group, it would save his little habar gidir clan, who are among the biggest Islamists in Somalia, yet are also among the worst behaving and vile people even by Somali standards. That's my point.

 

[Samaalic Era]

It's sad. Also the amount of Abuse they been through by the white man trying to erase their culture and assimilate them in these residential schools.

They force them to learn English and do not allow them to learn their history. The children grow up believing there ancestors were a bunch of uncivilised fools who needed European intervention

 

[Samaalic Era]

And I'm sure if Native Americans lived according to their own traditional norms, they would not be alcoholics with entirely dysfunctional family-units and communities.

The point is, Islam is not better suited to making a people behave better than other belief systems. So therefore there is no point running around promoting it as some sort of 'silver bullet' that can transform people, like the dog @Samaalic Era is doing in this thread. If Islam could save any group, it would save his little habar gidir clan, who are among the biggest Islamists in Somalia, yet are also among the worst behaving and vile people even by Somali standards. That's my point.

Even tho Marexaan shabab are running amok in Gedo and Jubba regions. Islam brought the Golden Age of Somalia while your Marxist Siyad destroyed it

 

[TheAnswer]

Even tho Marexaan shabab are running amok in Gedo and Jubba regions. Islam brought the Golden Age of Somalia while your Marxist Siyad destroyed it

You're still missing the point, but then again I am not surprised.


Marxist Siyad Barre "destroying" Somalia


Meanwhile, your habar relatives "saving" Somalia...

this how a caqli dameer reasons...

 

[astorecalledkmart]

And I'm sure if Native Americans lived according to their own traditional norms, they would not be alcoholics with entirely dysfunctional family-units and communities.

The point is, Islam is not better suited to making a people behave better than other belief systems. So therefore there is no point running around promoting it as some sort of 'silver bullet' that can transform people, like the dog @Samaalic Era is doing in this thread. If Islam could save any group, it would save his little habar gidir clan, who are among the biggest Islamists in Somalia, yet are also among the worst behaving and vile people even by Somali standards. That's my point.

Tell that to all those Arab girls buried in the desert before Islam.
As already mentioned, but also demonstrated in this thread, Somalis picked picked qabil over deen and justice and lost as a result

 

[Samaalic Era]

Tell that to all those Arab girls buried in the desert before Islam.
As already mentioned, but also demonstrated in this thread, Somalis picked picked qabil over deen and justice and lost as a result

He is a qabilist gaal, you cant reason with such a person

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Tell that to all those Arab girls buried in the desert before Islam.
As already mentioned, but also demonstrated in this thread, Somalis picked picked qabil over deen and justice and lost as a result

tbh Somalis who followed the deen were just as badly affected and damaged by the civil war as the criminals and opportunists. Not just Somalis but Muslim civilisations in general. It's senseless to say that the reason for the demise of a Muslim nation is because they suddenly abandoned deen. Innocent Muslims fall into misery every day. Misery comes for anyone. You say that we're in the current condition cus we chose qabil over deen but then why are other kaafir nations prospering in peace then?
I don't think a perfect Muslim society ever existed either, we ALL diverge from the deen with every breath. The Ummah is non-existent. What Ummah? Somalis starve, Uyghurs starve, Rohyngya starve etc whereas the descendants of the prophet live like pigs and don't invite a single Syryan refugee?
Iran was a great nation before the zealots took over and same thing for Yemen and Somalia. Plenty of Somali women back in the day dressed like American women and schoolgirls didn't wear jilbabs and such. They were happy.
I don't agree with @IslamIsTheAnswer 's tone and neither am I supporting any atheistic ideology.

 

[Samaalic Era]

@IslamIsTheAnswer had to derail the thread and turned this into a FKD session

 

[P4$t0]

He is a qabilist gaal, you cant reason with such a person

How can such a combo exist?!

 

[astorecalledkmart]

tbh Somalis who followed the deen were just as badly affected and damaged by the civil war as the criminals and opportunists. Not just Somalis but Muslim civilisations in general. It's senseless to say that the reason for the demise of a Muslim nation is because they suddenly abandoned deen. Innocent Muslims fall into misery every day. Misery comes for anyone. You say that we're in the current condition cus we chose qabil over deen but then why are other kaafir nations prospering in peace then?
I don't think a perfect Muslim society ever existed either, we ALL diverge from the deen with every breath. The Ummah is non-existent. What Ummah? Somalis starve, Uyghurs starve, Rohyngya starve etc whereas the descendants of the prophet live like pigs and don't invite a single Syryan refugee?
Iran was a great nation before the zealots took over and same thing for Yemen and Somalia. Plenty of Somali women back in the day dressed like American women and schoolgirls didn't wear jilbabs and such. They were happy.
I don't agree with @IslamIsTheAnswer 's tone and neither am I supporting any atheistic ideology.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not speaking about individuals, but rather society abandoning the principle tenents of justice, honesty, and community. These are universal truths. Individuals of all stripes suffer when their governments are evil.
I agree with your Ummah argument, but only because no one is really bothering to create a society based on principles of justice. The reason why non-Muslim countries are successful is because of their adherence to Islamic principles such as charity and helping those in need. Which Muslim government anywhere accepts refugees in such large numbers besides Turkey? I would not use any corrupt and oppressive Arab or non-Arab country on the planet as an example of a Muslim government. Also, the condition of a people will not change until they change themselves. People like the Rohingya or Syrians number in the millions and cry to the west for help and yet abandon their women and children in cowardice - who did America cry to in their time of need? The US still has "In God We Trust" everywhere. God is on the side of the righteous, not necessarily one who claims Muslim.
I disagree with your assessment of pre-war Somalia. Jilbab does not equate with deen - state sponsored atheism, theft of public goods, and genocide are the result of deviation from truth. Iran is a bad example - they were an absolute dictatorship before the revolution and their natural resources were owned by the UK and US (look up the origins of BP oil). They tried democracy and had a moderate, democratically elected leader in Mahmoud Mossadegh until he was overthrown in a western-engineered coup. The revolution was a reactionary response to not being able to live in a just society. If the west allowed Iran to remain democratic in the 1950s, the revolution would have likely never occurred.

 

[Samaalic Era]

How can such a combo exist?!

This is quite baffling to me aswell sxb

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

I get what you're saying, but I'm not speaking about individuals, but rather society abandoning the principle tenents of justice, honesty, and community.

You said it urself. In that case u have to undesrtand that the people at the topof the pyramid and other officials are the only ones that are corrupt along with their soldiers. The avergae Somali (the society in this case) didn't want blood and chaos, that's only pushed by the corrupt minority. Therefore it's the individuals NOT the society that's corrupt. The people can't do anything against the few that outrank them and give them orders...the majority of simple people are forced into acting against their religious morals (not all the time) so u can't say that society went to shit cus of the people, it's the leaders. Islam knows this and that's why the prophet advised to NOT act against ur oppressors/leaders for that in not our duty.

The reason why non-Muslim countries are successful is because of their adherence to Islamic principles such as charity and helping those in need.

That's not true at all sxb. You're telling me kaafirs adhere to Muslim principals more than Muslims themselves? lol. If anything charity from western countries is not a representation of Muslim chaity at all. It's all corrupt. Muslim countries do chaity too anyway and they're still suffering?

I disagree with your assessment of pre-war Somalia. Jilbab does not equate with deen

But it does. What pleases God more? Pious Somali girls in western clothing or pious Somali girls in jilbabs?

Wether Somalis followed the deen or not they were always in conflict

 

[Yukon_Niner]

How can such a combo exist?!

This fucking confused me as well. What sorta backwards savage mentality must be ingrained in your mind to end up like that.

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[AussieHustler]

How would Islam benefit them if it didn’t benefit us? @Samaalic Era was salivating for the skirmishes in Puntland recently and praying to become a full blown tribal war. Is that the Islam that you want for them? The indigenous American Indian tribes to turn on another and wipe one another out.

Show them Islam works and lead by example, or just spew here whatever comes to your mouth.

 

[Samaalic Era]

How would Islam benefit them if it didn’t benefit us? @Samaalic Era was salivating for the skirmishes in Puntland recently and praying to become a full blown tribal war. Is that the Islam that you want for them? The indigenous American Indian tribes to turn on another and wipe one another out.

Show them Islam works and lead by example, or just spew here whatever comes to your mouth.

That was a joke sxb. If you seen my other comments, I dont want Somalis killing each other and I have MJ relatives myself.
The comments were obvious to those who read it and Ive made it clear that an L for one Somali clan is an L for all Somalis

 

[AussieHustler]

That was a joke sxb. If you seen my other comments, I dont want Somalis killing each other and I have MJ relatives myself.

@Samaalic Era

Your come back is like the racist guy quipping, I have black friends or neighbours.

Across the Islamic world, there are civil wars, massive poverty and illiteracy and why didn’t Islam help them? The best these indigenous people could do is take advantage of the education system available to them and build their communities from the base up. It’s easier said than done. Having said that, there are few clans who got very wealthy from casinos and tourism and are focused on doing just that. Maybe they could become a conduit for the majority to escape poverty.