How can you be a Somali wadani and yet vote for trump?

[Abdalla]

We have a lot of attention deprived men on this forum if that’s the case.

Not everyone can create threads about their accomplishments abayo. Some need to fish in other ponds.

 

[Mongrel]

When did any of the four Rightly Guided Caliphs hold elections?

Democracy is foreign to Islam.

We don't need to become Westernized and adopt Western values which are alien to Islam.

"Fourthly:

Some people think that the word democracy is equivalent to shoora (consultation) in Islam! This is a mistaken notion for many reasons, including the following:

1. Shoora has to do with new matters that arise or with matters that are not explained in detail in the texts of the Qur’an or Sunnah. With regard to the “rule of the people”, the people may discuss what is well-established in religion, which may lead to refusing to acknowldge the prohibitions on that which is forbidden, and to forbidding that which Allah has permitted or made obligatory. So the sale of alcohol is permitted according to these laws, as are fornication/adultery and riba (usury), but these laws put pressures on Islamic organizations and the activities of those who call people to Allah. This is diametrically opposed to sharee‘ah, so what does this have to do with shoora?

2. The majlis ash-shoora (consultative committee) is to be formed of people who have a deep knowledge of fiqh, Islam and sharee‘ah, fahm, and have a high level of piety and good character. So no one who is of bad character or foolish, or is a disbeliever or atheist, is to be consulted or involved in the shoora process. As for the democratic councils of representatives, they pay no attention to any of the con ditions mentioned above. The representative may be a disbeliever, or of bad character or foolish. What does this have to do with shoora as prescribed in Islam?

3. Shoora is not binding upon the ruler; the ruler may give precedence to the view of one member of the council that is supported by proof, and prefer his view over that of the other council members, whereas in the case of representative democracy, the agreement of the majority becomes legally binding upon the people."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/98134/concept-of-democracy-in-islam

I say let's stand up to Westernization, not cooperate with it. I say let's say "no" to colonialism. Let's stand up to Western colonialism.

Islam is way superior to anything the West has produced and we must bow only to our Creator- not to Western colonialism. If you want to accept Western colonialism that's your decision but I think that's crazy and I don't think there's any reason we should let ourselves be colonized. I think we should stand with our backs firm against Western colonialism.

In a way, whether or not democracy is previously or currently a inherent part of Islam is irrelevant. I say this in the sense that, over time, all cultures share, incorporate, and reject ideas/values from other cultures. So even if Islam was not or is not currently accepting of democracy, it does not mean that it cannot be so in the future . Islam is not static and cross-cultural exchanges have benefitted Islamic cultures and non-Islamic cultures for a very long time. Miyaad fahantay? I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject.

 

[Tukraq]

In a way, whether or not democracy is previously or currently a inherent part of Islam is irrelevant. I say this in the sense that, over time, all cultures share, incorporate, and reject ideas/values from other cultures. So even if Islam was not or is not currently accepting of democracy, it does not mean that it cannot be so in the future . Islam is not static and cross-cultural exchanges have benefitted Islamic cultures and non-Islamic cultures for a very long time. Miyaad fahantay? I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject.

sxb, hes a wasabi hard to get into there head even though early islamic government was far closer to modern democracy then say the monarchy of there Daddy Saudi Arabia, literally the first four were picked by vote of a shura council on the basis of merit, how far of is that from modern democracy? while the lineage based(saudi family don't even have a royal lineage islamically and aren't even Hashemites) monarchy is a far deviance from the model of governance of the prophet and the sahaba, but like I said as salafis there going to be hypocritical to big up daddy Saudi

 

[Gibiin-Udug]

The same man who called Somalia a shithole. Who denied Obama was American and when he proved he was doubted he attended college. If you cross him he is not above being racist against black people and Somalis. He has also banned Somalis seeking refuge in America. Are these people a low IQ specie since they support people who are hostile and look down on us. Are those who support him coons and self haters? His Somali supporters tend to be men. I’m just saying.

Sis there’s a woman in Minnesota who bragged about voting for trump because he’s against lgbt, she was smiling hard the night he won but she was crying after 2 months after her sons in Africa got the rejection letter for their visa she sent to them. Karma is truly sweet lmfao.

 

[Lum]

In a way, whether or not democracy is previously or currently a inherent part of Islam is irrelevant. I say this in the sense that, over time, all cultures share, incorporate, and reject ideas/values from other cultures. So even if Islam was not or is not currently accepting of democracy, it does not mean that it cannot be so in the future . Islam is not static and cross-cultural exchanges have benefitted Islamic cultures and non-Islamic cultures for a very long time. Miyaad fahantay? I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject.

Wrong.

 

[Muji]

Sis there’s a woman in Minnesota who bragged about voting for trump because he’s against lgbt, she was smiling hard the night he won but she was crying after 2 months after her sons in Africa got the rejection letter for their visa she sent to them. Karma is truly sweet lmfao.

Looooooooooooooooooool screaming

It’s funny when the same energy you want for others comes for you

 

[Gibiin-Udug]

Looooooooooooooooooool screaming

It’s funny when the same energy you want for others comes for you

I knooooooow

I heard she was asking the Somali community to fundraiser money for her so she can hire an immigration lawyer, everyone paid her dust.

 

[Muji]

I knooooooow

I heard she was asking the Somali community to fundraiser money for her so she can hire an immigration lawyer, everyone paid her dust.

Looool

Trump supporters in general seem dim but when they are a racial minority, they seem extra dumb.

 

[Gibiin-Udug]

Looool

Trump supporters in general seem dim but when they are a racial minority, they seem extra dumb.

@Grigori Rasputin is a trump supporter...

 

[Omar del Sur]

I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject.

Why are liberals always trying to push their views on others?

I hope you realize that democracy is inherently wrong and a bad idea and I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject. You need to open your mind to that the West is wrong on the matter.

 

[Muji]

@Grigori Rasputin is a trump supporter...

So is @Basra lol

 

[Muji]

Why are liberals always trying to push their views on others?

I hope you realize that democracy is inherently wrong and a bad idea and I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject. You need to open your mind to that the West is wrong on the matter.

You still haven’t answered my question. Why do you choose to stay in a western country, that you hate the practices of. So much cognitive dissonance.

 

[mustang22]

Donald Trump will defeat Elizabeth Warren and get a second term.

 

[Grigori Rasputin]

@Grigori Rasputin is a trump supporter...

Indeed I am.

He hates me but that’s ok. I mean I’m born into the most cursed nation on earth.

His political moves are my ideology.

My country first (America)

Jobs in abundance

Hell with Black lives matter (if it really mattered look at Chicago. Bastards killing each other ).

QoomuLuudh agenda halted

Common sense back into society

His African tirades ( I curse Africa. Can’t blame him).

 

[Barwaaqoforsomalia]

I don’t think I would ever understand a Somali person who votes for trump. The dude doesn’t like you or your people and to stir his crowd of supporters he used your own community to get them excited. A Somali Donald Trump supporter is for real delusional if you think him and his administration is going to help Somali Americans you are for real delusional. Let me remind you that during his presidency, three people were convicted of trying to bomb a housing complex full of Somalis in Kansas, the constant harassment of masjid dar al Farouq by his supporters , the drone strikes that Obama started in Somalia have been increased by Trump’s administration from 13 to 55, his online supporters constantly make conspiracy theories about our Somali community in Minnesota I.e. “the gang of Somali guys”who beat this poor man in Minneapolis, The MOA incident, and the random dude who tried to make a documentary about us. And hmm I wonder why? Is it because he talks trash about us in his rallies in Minnesota. And I swear to y’all none of y’all will be surprised if one of his supporters did something tragic to the Somali community in Minnesota and you also wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t condemn them

 

[Mongrel]

Why are liberals always trying to push their views on others?

I hope you realize that democracy is inherently wrong and a bad idea and I hope you don't stay so close minded on this subject. You need to open your mind to that the West is wrong on the matter.

Yes of course, engaging in debate = "pushing my views on others". People have different opinions and stating them does not push them onto anyone.

Anyhow it seems you misunderstood my point. When I said "close minded" it was a reference to my mention of cross-cultural exchanges and Islam not being static in that respect. I am not engaging in a debate of whether democracy is "good" or "bad". I am saying you cannot discount democracy as being "un-Islamic" because what is and isn't Islamic will change over time based on cultural exchanges between Islamic and non-Islamic groups. This is nothing new and has occurred for thousands of years.

 

[Mongrel]

sxb, hes a wasabi hard to get into there head even though early islamic government was far closer to modern democracy then say the monarchy of there Daddy Saudi Arabia, literally the first four were picked by vote of a shura council on the basis of merit, how far of is that from modern democracy? while the lineage based(saudi family don't even have a royal lineage islamically and aren't even Hashemites) monarchy is a far deviance from the model of governance of the prophet and the sahaba, but like I said as salafis there going to be hypocritical to big up daddy Saudi

Sax!! The historical denial by some here is real apparently. There is no reason for some to think that democracy is incongruent with Islam.

 

[AussieHustler]

sxb, hes a wasabi hard to get into there head even though early islamic government was far closer to modern democracy then say the monarchy of there Daddy Saudi Arabia, literally the first four were picked by vote of a shura council on the basis of merit, how far of is that from modern democracy? while the lineage based(saudi family don't even have a royal lineage islamically and aren't even Hashemites) monarchy is a far deviance from the model of governance of the prophet and the sahaba, but like I said as salafis there going to be hypocritical to big up daddy Saudi

@Tukraq

“Merit”? Who were the members of this shura & did Ali (who was busy preparing the burial of his cousin Mohamed) and his family or supporters aka clan allowed to take part in this secretive meeting organised by Abu Bakar, his clan relative Othman and Omar who despised Ali and was offered a sweetener of a deputy leader? Is that your understanding of democracy? People here would say anything.

 

[Tukraq]

@Tukraq

“Merit”? Who were the members of this shura & did Ali (who was busy preparing the burial of his cousin Mohamed) and his family or supporters aka clan allowed to take part in this secretive meeting organised by Abu Bakar, his clan relative Othman and Omar who despised Ali and was offered a sweetener of a deputy leader? Is that your understanding of democracy? People here would say anything.

yup ali fell In line and never complained about the rule of abubakr, Umar, or uthman, neither was there any animosity he was a supporter, remember to check accurate sources and not falsified Shia propaganda material created in Iran several centuries later

 

[Younes Osman]

Good thing you aren’t now go worry about your third world nation problems

Well, I'm British