How can you be a Somali wadani and yet vote for trump?

[Omar del Sur]

Says the moron who doesn’t vote.

My brother is not a moron.

Democracy is not something which is in line with Islam. Muslims should not believe in democracy. Islam is superior to democracy and to every other way of life.

 

[Tukraq]

Trump is a stooge but he's right wing ngl but if he reverses his stooge status to Israhell and Wahhabi Arabia and deports all immigrants unless he wants America to become a shithole which it could become if Democrats win. Or are you forgetting Obama's drone strikes killed more Somalis along with the worst of the worst george Bush.

low IQ post, immigrants are what keeps America running, would be a shithole without it

 

[Tukraq]

My brother is not a moron.

Democracy is not something which is in line with Islam. Muslims should not believe in democracy. Islam is superior to democracy and to every other way of life.

who says islam goes against democracy? weren't the kulufa arrashidiin voted through a shura council? nothing wrong with voting in islam infact they go hand and hand

 

[TheReal_SMM]

low IQ post, immigrants are what keeps America running, would be a shithole without it

Everyone knows who sends those migrants in That's why the UN works with Mexico as they're stationed there as well as Jews love migrants as it lowers working wages the same way they did it when they made women work in the workplace. The white man was powerful b4 certain ones sold them to the Jews.

 

[Tukraq]

Everyone knows who sends those migrants in That's why the UN works with Mexico as they're stationed there as well as Jews love migrants as it lowers wages the same way they did it when they made women work in the workplace. The white man was powerful b4 certain ones sold them to the Jews.

immigrants are always good for the economy, use some common sense, and this isn't Europe and isn't white mans land, jews are just as American as whites, also women working is a positive, why in the world would half the population not work?

 

[Omar del Sur]

who says islam goes against democracy? weren't the kulufa arrashidiin voted through a shura council? nothing wrong with voting in islam infact they go hand and hand

This is incorrect. Democracy is a Western, European thing which is foreign to Islam.

Shura is something different. Democracy is not part of Islam. We don't need to buy into Westernization.

 

[Tukraq]

This is incorrect. Democracy is a Western, European thing which is foreign to Islam.

Shura is something different. Democracy is not part of Islam. We don't need to buy into Westernization.

nope, democracy is a very old thing from ancient greeks, islam is compatible as our kulufa arrashiidin were voted in by the sahaba, its actually the monarchical system thats not compatible with islam i.e. what we have in Saudi Arabia today, the prophet nor the kulufa rarashidiin were monarchies and lineage based monarchies goes against islam as Allah will say there are no kings but him in yawmul qiyama, democracy is more inline with the way the kulufa arrashiddin went about governance

 

[TheReal_SMM]

immigrants are always good for the economy, use some common sense, and this isn't Europe and isn't white mans land, jews are just as American as whites, also women working is a positive, why in the world would half the population not work?

Jews aren't white I've exposed that numerous times hence why the true white man hates immigration and knows why Jews have been kicked out of many countries for obvious and legitimate reasons. Only skilled immigrants do gd for any economy not ppl who'll cause trouble and some European States are learning this the hard way.

 

[Tukraq]

Jews aren't white I've exposed that numerous times hence why the true white man hates immigration and knows why Jews have been kicked out of many countries for obvious and legitimate reasons. Only skilled immigrants do gd for any economy not ppl who'll cause trouble and some European States are learning this the hard way.

like I said this is murica not Europe, Jews are just as "American" as whites, were not a white country, and no not only skilled immigrants are good for an economy, Europe is having trouble because its just flat out bad economically, and has even been passed by east Asia, look at Poland a trash country with no immigrants, remove them from Europe and you get more Polands lol, Murica on the other hand along with china are first world economies and superpowers, they need to focus on improving it and for America immigration is a must to remain viable

 

[Omar del Sur]

nope, democracy is a very old thing from ancient greeks, islam is compatible as our kulufa arrashiidin were voted in by the sahaba, its actually the monarchical system thats not compatible with islam i.e. what we have in Saudi Arabia today, the prophet nor the kulufa rarashidiin were monarchies and lineage based monarchies goes against islam as Allah will say there are no kings but him in yawmul qiyama, democracy is more inline with the way the kulufa arrashiddin went about governance

When did any of the four Rightly Guided Caliphs hold elections?

Democracy is foreign to Islam.

We don't need to become Westernized and adopt Western values which are alien to Islam.

"Fourthly:

Some people think that the word democracy is equivalent to shoora (consultation) in Islam! This is a mistaken notion for many reasons, including the following:

1. Shoora has to do with new matters that arise or with matters that are not explained in detail in the texts of the Qur’an or Sunnah. With regard to the “rule of the people”, the people may discuss what is well-established in religion, which may lead to refusing to acknowldge the prohibitions on that which is forbidden, and to forbidding that which Allah has permitted or made obligatory. So the sale of alcohol is permitted according to these laws, as are fornication/adultery and riba (usury), but these laws put pressures on Islamic organizations and the activities of those who call people to Allah. This is diametrically opposed to sharee‘ah, so what does this have to do with shoora?

2. The majlis ash-shoora (consultative committee) is to be formed of people who have a deep knowledge of fiqh, Islam and sharee‘ah, fahm, and have a high level of piety and good character. So no one who is of bad character or foolish, or is a disbeliever or atheist, is to be consulted or involved in the shoora process. As for the democratic councils of representatives, they pay no attention to any of the con ditions mentioned above. The representative may be a disbeliever, or of bad character or foolish. What does this have to do with shoora as prescribed in Islam?

3. Shoora is not binding upon the ruler; the ruler may give precedence to the view of one member of the council that is supported by proof, and prefer his view over that of the other council members, whereas in the case of representative democracy, the agreement of the majority becomes legally binding upon the people."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/98134/concept-of-democracy-in-islam

I say let's stand up to Westernization, not cooperate with it. I say let's say "no" to colonialism. Let's stand up to Western colonialism.

Islam is way superior to anything the West has produced and we must bow only to our Creator- not to Western colonialism. If you want to accept Western colonialism that's your decision but I think that's crazy and I don't think there's any reason we should let ourselves be colonized. I think we should stand with our backs firm against Western colonialism.

 

[Omar del Sur]

for America immigration is a must to remain viable

Actually, SMM is right- the mass migration agenda is being pushed by Jews for whatever Jewish interests

 

[TheReal_SMM]

Actually, SMM is right- the mass migration agenda is being pushed by Jews for whatever Jewish interests

Ty for understanding that most ppl who understand that aren't on the site and if you agree with me like my comments.

 

[Tukraq]

When did any of the four Rightly Guided Caliphs hold elections?

Democracy is foreign to Islam.

We don't need to become Westernized and adopt Western values which are alien to Islam.

"Fourthly:

Some people think that the word democracy is equivalent to shoora (consultation) in Islam! This is a mistaken notion for many reasons, including the following:

1. Shoora has to do with new matters that arise or with matters that are not explained in detail in the texts of the Qur’an or Sunnah. With regard to the “rule of the people”, the people may discuss what is well-established in religion, which may lead to refusing to acknowldge the prohibitions on that which is forbidden, and to forbidding that which Allah has permitted or made obligatory. So the sale of alcohol is permitted according to these laws, as are fornication/adultery and riba (usury), but these laws put pressures on Islamic organizations and the activities of those who call people to Allah. This is diametrically opposed to sharee‘ah, so what does this have to do with shoora?

2. The majlis ash-shoora (consultative committee) is to be formed of people who have a deep knowledge of fiqh, Islam and sharee‘ah, fahm, and have a high level of piety and good character. So no one who is of bad character or foolish, or is a disbeliever or atheist, is to be consulted or involved in the shoora process. As for the democratic councils of representatives, they pay no attention to any of the con ditions mentioned above. The representative may be a disbeliever, or of bad character or foolish. What does this have to do with shoora as prescribed in Islam?

3. Shoora is not binding upon the ruler; the ruler may give precedence to the view of one member of the council that is supported by proof, and prefer his view over that of the other council members, whereas in the case of representative democracy, the agreement of the majority becomes legally binding upon the people."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/98134/concept-of-democracy-in-islam

I say let's stand up to Westernization, not cooperate with it. I say let's say "no" to colonialism. Let's stand up to Western colonialism.

Islam is way superior to anything the West has produced and we must bow only to our Creator- not to Western colonialism. If you want to accept Western colonialism that's your decision but I think that's crazy and I don't think there's any reason we should let ourselves be colonized. I think we should stand with our backs firm against Western colonialism.

shura commitee is essentially voting through a committee, in concept same thing as democracy, I also disagree that islamically its not binding, says who? if the prophet and the rightly guided cailiphs went one way who is to say we don't have to do it? this is why I don't look at say the Umayyads as inspiration for governance, we were originally under a merit based rule system, picked as you've mentioned above by a consultive committee of knowlagable people as you stated, this is the right way,
and lineage based monarchies are obviously the wrong way and unislamic

 

[Tukraq]

Actually, SMM is right- the mass migration agenda is being pushed by Jews for whatever Jewish interests

Ty for understanding that most ppl who understand that aren't on the site and if you agree with me like my comments.

its the intreats of America as a whole, to grow and expand our economy, not just jews, although it should be also the goal of jewish Americans, I'm not getting the anti jewish sentiments

 

[Omar del Sur]

Ty for understanding that most ppl who understand that aren't on the site and if you agree with me like my comments.

I'm with you, brother. Let us strive in making the people aware of the truth in regards to The Jewish Question.

For every person willing to speak against Jewish Domination openly, there are many more who are at varying levels of awareness of the matter but are afraid to speak out. There are silent masses behind us. In public, they may feign unawareness but in private they confess their awareness and their sympathy with our righteous cause.

 

[Tukraq]

I'm with you, brother. Let us strive in making the people aware of the truth in regards to The Jewish Question.

For every person willing to speak against Jewish Domination openly, there are many more who are at varying levels of awareness of the matter but are afraid to speak out. There are silent masses behind us. In public, they may feign unawareness but in private they confess their awareness and their sympathy with our righteous cause.

whats wrong with jewish domination? if any subset of the population dominates in a market based democracy like America, good on them, next time try and compete whether it be jews or East Asians dosent matter

 

[Muji]

Can you name what civilisation women created or what war they won? Men are superior it’s just a fact lol. There’s a reason u carry a mans last name. You could become a transgender though so hope that helps.

Civilisation was mostly created by men who weren’t Somali stop taking credit for things that other races created. Go and take a long hard look at Somalia, that is the creation of Somali men.

 

[Muji]

My brother is not a moron.

Democracy is not something which is in line with Islam. Muslims should not believe in democracy. Islam is superior to democracy and to every other way of life.

Then why do you leave in a country which practices it? Maybe you should move to a Muslim country where this filthy practice doesn’t occur. Go on now, move.

 

[Abdalla]

Most are saying it just to troll. But my honour and dignity wouldn't even allow me to troll about supporting such a man.

 

[Muji]

Most are saying it just to troll. But my honour and dignity wouldn't even allow me to troll about supporting such a man.

We have a lot of attention deprived men on this forum if that’s the case.