Greetings from a Kazakh Nomad

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Welcome @KazakhNomad , I have come across an Afghan with Kazakh Ancestry and another Afghan with Uzbek ancestry.

From my knowledge, you Kazakhs sway from liberal secularist muslims to conservative. I have seen Kazakhs competing in Quran competition to Kazakhs basically owning and running casinos.

My question is do you guys tend to follow a sect or are you guys following the path of salif As-salih?
 
Not really. I am known for being very sceptical of non-somalis, and I can be rude towards them irl.

But other than that i am very kind.
In that case what are your thoughts on Turks in Somalia? Want to compare it to our experience with Turkish imperialism disguised as brotherhood
 

SumMo

very lowkey
In that case what are your thoughts on Turks in Somalia? Want to compare it to our experience with Turkish imperialism disguised as brotherhood

I don’t care about that too much. I am speaking about non-somali people I meet and encounter. Especially guys.. I don’t like em.

That question you should ask someone else.
 
Welcome @KazakhNomad , I have come across an Afghan with Kazakh Ancestry and another Afghan with Uzbek ancestry.

From my knowledge, you Kazakhs sway from liberal secularist muslims to conservative. I have seen Kazakhs competing in Quran competition to Kazakhs basically owning and running casinos.

My question is do you guys tend to follow a sect or are you guys following the path of salif of salih?
It’s very complex. It mainly comes down to a regional and generational thing. As I mentioned earlier we have 3 main tribes. Orta juz who inhabit central,northern and eastern Kazakhstan are the least Muslim because of heavy Russification they endured, and their stupid desire to connect to preIslamic paganism and to a sky god Tengri. Other 2 juzes who are in the West and Southeast of Kazakhstan have much stronger Islamic traditions. It is also generational, younger generations born in Kazakhstan and not Soviet Union tend to be more religious (outside of two main cities Astana and Almaty where those heathens engage in drugs, loose sex, prostitution, alcoholism and generally being waste men). As for sects traditionally we came to Islam under Sufi orders. Then during the Russian empire ironically more traditional Islam was promoted by Czars because they thought it turns wild nomadic Sufi Kazakhs into civilized sedentary ones. Then one long blip of atheism under Soviet Union, and now a heavy wave of Wahabbism is growing quickly since 2005.
 
Yep go on

Well Turkish people in general I wouldn’t blame I find them to be kind and indeed our Turkic brother, the government however is a different story. They came into Kazakhstan and built lots of schools which then were found out to be founded by Gullen a known sectant from Turkey. Then, the government would preach Turkic brotherhood and shout how they don’t care for non-Turkic Arab,Farsi,Kurdish Muslims, and then the next day they would go to those countries and preach Islamic brotherhood. At the end of the day lots of things the government did was for their own gain. The people of Turkey are generally great though. Visited many times and had extra help, discounts and etc due to being from a Turkic country
 
It’s very complex. It mainly comes down to a regional and generational thing. As I mentioned earlier we have 3 main tribes. Orta juz who inhabit central,northern and eastern Kazakhstan are the least Muslim because of heavy Russification they endured, and their stupid desire to connect to preIslamic paganism and to a sky god Tengri. Other 2 juzes who are in the West and Southeast of Kazakhstan have much stronger Islamic traditions. It is also generational, younger generations born in Kazakhstan and not Soviet Union tend to be more religious (outside of two main cities Astana and Almaty where those heathens engage in drugs, loose sex, prostitution, alcoholism and generally being waste men). As for sects traditionally we came to Islam under Sufi orders. Then during the Russian empire ironically more traditional Islam was promoted by Czars because they thought it turns wild nomadic Sufi Kazakhs into civilized sedentary ones. Then one long blip of atheism under Soviet Union, and now a heavy wave of Wahabbism is growing quickly since 2005.

Sorry but I could care less about Kazakh tribes, I barely can keep up with the Somali tribes and their regional dwellings. I would have went to wikipedia if I wanted to know more about your tribes.

But you have brought forth an interesting statement, you guys had a history with sufism eh ?

I should have known that.

Yes I'm aware of the Soviet Union era and how religion was washed away from you guys, but you have brought forth another interesting statement. You guys are experiencing wahabbism growth ever since 2005 eh ? I did not know that completely :hmm:

Guess I will be doing more research on the soviet union dissolved countries and what their Islamic history entails.

Have a good day good sir
 

SumMo

very lowkey
I will say this one last time:

Yes, I gave Borat a warning. Why are some of you triggered? I am sick and tired of these ajanabis thinking they can come and do whatever they want on somali spaces, because we are too welcoming and naive.

I have seen this with my own two eyes. In my homecity the somali community raised enough money to buy a masjid. The morrocans later came and started using the masjid, no prob it is after all Gods house (❤️). They then started terrorizing many of the somalis who used to pray in that masjid, and many would leave to go home to pray instead.

Sorry but no other muslim community would tolerate this, especially if the roles were reversed (somali terrorizing arabs).

You need to make it clear that as much as you are inviting, there are boundaries that you cannot cross.

Some of you men really need to grow some pair of balls. It’s weak minded men like you that allowed the destruction of our country. Stand up to yourself and your people next time, so the women don’t have to do it. Me and sister @KREAM are the only ones who made an effort to tell him this.


I have nothing against him, but its better to make it known from the start.

Bunch of wastemen..:abuxyga:
 
Sorry but I could care less about Kazakh tribes, I barely can keep up with the Somali tribes and their regional dwellings. I would have went to wikipedia if I wanted to know more about your tribes.

But you have brought forth an interesting statement, you guys had a history with sufism eh ?

I should have known that.

Yes I'm aware of the Soviet Union era and how religion was washed away from you guys, but you have brought forth another interesting statement. You guys are experiencing wahabbism growth ever since 2005 eh ? I did not know that completely :hmm:

Guess I will be doing more research on the soviet union dissolved countries and what their Islamic history entails.

Have a good day good sir

I only mentioned tribes because it related to your question. Yes, Wahabbism has been growing very fast, traditionally our women wore kimeshek as Islamic clothing and literally no one wore an Arabic style hijab, now about 30% of women you can see wear a hijab unless if it’s in two major cities where police cracks down hard. As for Sufism, Naqshbandi order is who most Kazakhs were before Russians came
 

KREAM

"Can you bring equilibrium?"
I will say this one last time:

Yes, I gave Borat a warning. Why are some of you triggered? I am sick and tired of these ajanabis thinking they can come and do whatever they want on somali spaces, because we are too welcoming and naive.

I have seen this with my own two eyes. In my homecity the somali community raised enough money to buy a masjid. The morrocans later came and started using the masjid, no prob it is after all Gods house (❤️). They then started terrorizing many of the somalis who used to pray in that masjid, and many would leave to go home to pray instead.

Sorry but no other muslim community would tolerate this, especially if the roles were reversed (somali terrorizing arabs).

You need to make it clear that as much as you are inviting, there are boundaries that you cannot cross.

Some of you men really need to grow some pair of balls. It’s weak minded men like you that allowed the destruction of our country. Stand up to yourself and your people next time, so the women don’t have to do it. Me and sister @KREAM are the only ones who made an effort to tell him this.


I have nothing against him, but its better to make it known from the start.

Bunch of wastemen..:abuxyga:

I'm so proud of you, it brings tears to my eyes :lawd:
 
I only mentioned tribes because it related to your question. Yes, Wahabbism has been growing very fast, traditionally our women wore kimeshek as Islamic clothing and literally no one wore an Arabic style hijab, now about 30% of women you can see wear a hijab unless if it’s in two major cities where police cracks down hard. As for Sufism, Naqshbandi order is who most Kazakhs were before Russians came

What is the cause for wahabbism rising in Kazakhstan ? You said it was very prevalent amongst the youth. Care to expand on that ?
 

KREAM

"Can you bring equilibrium?"
I will say this one last time:

Yes, I gave Borat a warning. Why are some of you triggered? I am sick and tired of these ajanabis thinking they can come and do whatever they want on somali spaces, because we are too welcoming and naive.

I have seen this with my own two eyes. In my homecity the somali community raised enough money to buy a masjid. The morrocans later came and started using the masjid, no prob it is after all Gods house (❤️). They then started terrorizing many of the somalis who used to pray in that masjid, and many would leave to go home to pray instead.

Sorry but no other muslim community would tolerate this, especially if the roles were reversed (somali terrorizing arabs).

You need to make it clear that as much as you are inviting, there are boundaries that you cannot cross.

Some of you men really need to grow some pair of balls. It’s weak minded men like you that allowed the destruction of our country. Stand up to yourself and your people next time, so the women don’t have to do it. Me and sister @KREAM are the only ones who made an effort to tell him this.


I have nothing against him, but its better to make it known from the start.

Bunch of wastemen..:abuxyga:

Never trust ajanabis, they are snakes in the grass mostly :gaasdrink:
 
Okay now you’re beating a dead horse, and trying to provoke me by using Borat a million times. Don’t take my kindness for a weakness. I have no problem being disrespectful if need be.
 
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