Firstly, please don't assume my comments about you are made to upset you. I am trying to contextualise where your thought processes are coming from. You've made no secret that you have went through a recent break-up and this is a predictor of venturing in to the more misogynistic parts of the internet. it appears you have what is known as Romeo syndrome. My assertions about you are not coming out of no where when you have made a thread titled "never trust a women". Where you described women as devoid of loyalty. Let's not pretend you are adopting a mutual stance on this.
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/never-trust-a-women-ever.45788/page-8#post-1246218
The statement "Enjoy finding out ...sexually compatible before they are tied down..." is a non sequitur. Studies have and continuously do show excessive abuse of sex with partners is akin to drug abuse.The dopamine rush one feels to this has caused psychological pain to both sexes.MoreOver I argue sexual compatibility is a farce, our bodies are made such that we are attracted only to those we are sexually compatible with. "Trying it out" need not apply in most cases.
OK this is an appeal to the extremes. You are attempting to make a reasonable argument into an absurd one, by taking the argument to the extremes. I am speaking about the average person and the average person isn't a sex addict. Anyway, let's look at what the literature says..."The strongest predictor of sexual satisfaction, after accounting for relationship satisfaction, was sexual compatibility. Similarly, the strongest predictor of relationship satisfaction, after accounting for sexual satisfaction, was perceived sexual compatibility."
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14681994.2013.807336
Again you can argue anything you like but it doesn’t mean it’s scientific.
Divorce rates were lower in the past due to restriction in divorce as a whol
e.Interestingly in islamic countries they are also low although men are free to divorce at will, implying females don't enjoy most marriages.Women today have a higher say , enjoy more sex and more ,albeit faster, marriages.The result is unhappiness , the consistent chase for that "ideal man" will lead to a waste of their time.It results in both parties being unsatisfied , thus the previous system was satisfactory.
I’ve highlighted in bold where you say women don’t enjoy marriages and then you go on to say women who are allowed to divorce are also not happy. I’ll go into the reasons later.
I would expect countries where only one gender is allowed to issue a divorce to have half the divorce rates... and yet despite this, the Muslim country of the Maldives has the highest rate of divorce per capita, and Jordan is also listed. Also, even if divorce rates were low in Islamic countries, these same countries are always in the top ten worst countries to be a woman and this is largely to do with the tolerance of domestic abuse and guardianship laws where men get to make every decision for a woman in their household including whether a women gets a divorce or not.
today, women are less happier in marriages than when they are single, here is why. Women still do much of the unpaid undervalued housework, they are more likely to lose their careers and leisure time than the men. Whereas for the men it radically reduces their conflicts and aggression in society as it gives them something to lose. it clearly benefits men and is a bad deal for women which is why they are unhappy. they are not unhappy because they can get out of marriage! Where is the evidence for this?
As for the abuse statement, I do agree there are sadistic people who take advantage of systems put in place.That said men are biologically restrictive in their violence towards women and children, men infact recognise children in crowds easier than their wives.They have been bred to protect and throughout history this manifested in chivalry, honour etc.
Again, I'm failing to see the logic because children are more likely to listen to men who are much bigger than them and are more intimidating, we can trust them to not abuse laws that are inherently not fair in the first place?? You are aware that coercesion and enforcement is a form of domestic abuse, therefore the remedy you are encouraging where women cannot divorce men IS a form of domestic abuse. Here is some more reading for you to get you up to speed in islamic divorce courts in australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-18/abused-muslim-women-denied-right-to-divorce/9632772
Abusive relationships still exist today , interestingly even with a pathway to escape many women develop "stock holm syndrome " to their attackers.
Yes they still do exist, but that doesn't mean we should close the doors and everyone who is able to leave should stay because some women chose to stay. I am so glad that this is my last post to you because I'm quite astonished at the stuff I have to explain to you. You lack basic empathy. The reason why these women stay is becaus of family commitments, fear and lack of resources to get out! We should be talking about how society can improve upon this not using legal paraemeters to refuse the women who can leave to stay in the maraige.
You claimed before that women were chastised for sexual freedoms and extremely limited to the marketplace.While men engaged in mass sexual exploits , there is a cognitive dissonance here.If there was a limit on the pool of women being able to prostitute themselves the statement above thus is Cognitively Dissonant.
Cangeero are you saying women weren't shamed for having sex outside of marriage and this practice still doesn't happen? This whole thread was designed to shame these women. I've never said women have never engaged in sex with men, I said their treatment after the act has been vastly different to men's treatment. Therefore their sexual freedoms were curtailed.
Yes , something beneficial can be morally unsound even if its beneficial to a society.For example, systematic culling of a population leads to a reduction in the amount of poor people and safe guards an eco system.Check out the logistic model if you are mathematically adequate.
Cangeero you have engaged in a discussion with me for over two days and you are still hiding whether you endorse the things you are writing? As previously cited, we know your views on women. Please don't pretend you don't agree with the things you are preaching! It makes sense for a man who doesn’t believe women can be loyal to preach that divorce rights for women should be abolished. And this is the argument you are making on this thread.
You either believe that the advancement in society is directly due to the freeing of women or that since we are in current day we are progressing and thus are correct.
OK these two statements do not contradict each other. I really don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
If its the latter you are contradicting yourself as we are in history right now, history never stops and perhaps we will be wrong.History is also not linearly improving as can be seen in Nazi Germany , Mass wars etc.If its the former that is a subtle argument which relates to the productivity of a nation, more women working leads to more productivity leads to more ideas.That said, scientific advancement is and always will be dominated by males.
OK the world is progressing maybe you should make yourself familiar with the work of Steven Pinker. Women are continuously obtaining more legal rights, they are being given the right to control their own reproductive systems, meaning they get to choose when they get pregnant, this frees them up to get educated and find work, thus improving their income and opening them up to more opportunities. This then improves the economy of the country and leads to better living conditions for the population as a whole, this trend has been continously stated over and over again by the IMF, maybe you should contact them and tell them they are suffering from cognitive dissonance. However, we have a lot more work to do, especially in those Islamic countries you cited. You will not find one female in this forum who wants the same rights as a Saudi women. And this is what I mean when I say as women are being given more rights the world is progressing at a faster rate. Here he is Steven Pinker to run the numbers with you.
Most scientific advancements are carried out by white, overwhelmingly Jewish men from middle of upper class families. Should we, therefore, strip you of your rights since you don't fall into any of the brackets listed?
Yes just as you are biased to believe in equality, equality itself is a biased notion.Im not equal to a Bill Gates in the monetary standard , nor am I equal to a beggar.If you are dealing with inalienable rights and thus the law this also is not always of merit as laws do allow Gender biases.Furthermore prison contradicts equality. I assumed you meant we believe that men and women are equal in interactions.
All in all , rubbish recycled points with no strong logical basis.Around 20% was filled with insults exposing your ignorance of the subject. You get the final say.
As a human being, you are equal to a begger, you deserve the same rights as he/she does under the guise of the law. Please do not confuse equality of opportunities to equal outcome. This is just human decency and something even endorsed in Islam.
Regarding your prison commment, men and women deserved to be in a safe environment whilst they are in prison, therefore, putting women in a position where they can be raped would remove this fundamental right, therefore it makes sense to put them in separate facilities. lol you describe my opinions as rubbish and yet I'm the only party guilty of "Machiavellian tactics".
