Enforcement of Hijab

[AarHawd_7]

Says the saqajaan.

Atleast I shave off my plats and and get a decent haircut when i’m going back home. And I leave my saqajaan antics in the UK. I don’t care whether you wear a hijab or not abroad but atleast where one when your going back home.

 

[Tukraq]

Man said Arabaized? How is the Hijaab an arab thing waryaa? Are you hearing yourself? You sound like an african american now who feels inferior to the superior Arab. People like you are a threat to somalia and the somali people

I like Somalias form of hijab during the 60s/70s/80s not the saudi style, there are different cultural hijabs we don't need the arabized one, they don't wear the same shit in Egypt as they do in Bosnia, or turkey vs Nigeria, we had the perfect balance naturally as somalis in the 60s/70s and 80s, your the one who said westernized well I agreed with you no need for foreign cultures that includes eastern ones

 

[AarHawd_7]

I like Somalias form of hijab during the 60s/70s/80s not the saudi style, there are different cultural hijabs we don't need the arabized one, they don't wear the same shit in Egypt as they do in Bosnia, or turkey vs Nigeria, we had the perfect balance naturally as somalis in the 60s/70s and 80s, your the one who said westernized well I agreed with you no need for foreign cultures that includes eastern ones

Somali uncles and Somali aunties used to get drunk openly in Hotel Curuba in the 70s and 80s. Wearing mini skirts and sexy clothing, i’m flabbergasted you would wish that upon your somali sisters. Surely not on your own sisters. Thats not perfect balance but thats gaalnimo

 

[Tukraq]

Somali uncles and Somali aunties used to get drunk openly in Hotel Curuba in the 70s and 80s. Wearing mini skirts and sexy clothing, i’m flabbergasted you would wish that upon your somali sisters. Surely not on your own sisters. Thats not perfect balance but thats gaalnimo

what does drinking have to do with clothing? thats a different topic all together, as for clothing I think that era had a good mix you could wear different types

 

[AarHawd_7]

what does drinking have to do with clothing? thats a different topic all together, as for clothing I think that era had a good mix you could wear different types

Just one simple question are you against Somalia under Sharia Law?

 

[Ayubi]

what does drinking have to do with clothing? thats a different topic all together, as for clothing I think that era had a good mix you could wear different types

How? Hijab is covering up everything except the face and hands. The style in the 70s wasn't hijab but immodesty. Also, the hijab whatever style it may be in isn't Saudi or Arab culture! Hijab is Islamic.

Somalia's hijab now>1970s

 

[Tukraq]

Just one simple question are you against Somalia under Sharia Law?

against

 

[AarHawd_7]

against

Don’t call yourself a Muslim then from now on

 

[Tukraq]

Don’t call yourself a Muslim then from now on

why? islam isn't predicated on sharia law

 

[Céleste]

Just one question. If you want a sharia based somalia, what would the punishment for not wearing the hijab be?

answer is there is no punishment.

 

[Ayubi]

why? islam isn't predicated on sharia law

It's a rulers responsibily to rule by the sharia.

Allah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

• The command to rule according to what Allah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

• Warning against ruling by other than what Allah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

• Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

• Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]
  
  
• • The statement that nobody is better than Allah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]
  • The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon (rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].
  • The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42
• Judging or ruling according to other than what Allah has revealed is contrary to faith and Tawheed, which are Allaah’s rights. It may be counted as kufr akbar (greater kufr) or kufr asghar (lesser kufr) according to circumstances. Kufr akbar will make a person no longer a Muslim in cases such as the following:

1. If he issues laws and regulations other than those revealed by Allaah, because the right to issue laws belongs to Allaah alone, Who has no partner, and whoever “competes” with Him in a matter which is His alone is a mushrik, because Allaah says: “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]
   
   
2. If the one who rules by other than that which Allaah has revealed denies the right of Allaah and His Prophet to rule, as is mentioned in Ibn ‘Abbaas’s comment on the aayah:“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.”
   
   
3. If he prefers the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is in absolute terms or just in a few matters. Allaah says: “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa’idah 5:50]
   
   
4. If he regards the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. Allaah says: “. . . Then do not set up rivals unto Allaah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).” [al-Baqarah 2:22]
   
   
5. If he thinks that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts the rule of Allaah and His Messenger, or he believes that it is not obligatory to rule according to what Allaah has revealed, or that the matter is optional. This is kufr which is contradictory to faith. Allaah revealed: “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ . . .” [al-Maa’idah 5:41]. He says: “Go to Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if he tells you that the ruling is lashes, accept it, but if he commands stoning, ignore what he says. Then Allaah revealed “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon (disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44].
   
   
6. If he does not rule according to what Allah has revealed out of stubbornness and arrogance, he is a kaafir and has left Islaam, even if he does not deny the rule of Allaah. Stubbornness and arrogance may mean negligence and turning away, as Allaah says: “Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan wishes to lead them astray. And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger,’ see they hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:60-61]
   
   
7. Among the things that may be counted as ruling by other than that which Allaah revealed and kufr akbar is what Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem said about man-made laws and ruling by them: “This is the worst, the most obvious and comprehensive opposition to sharee‘ah and rejection of Allaah’s laws. This is competing with Allaah and His Messenger, contradicting His laws in their preparation, support, structure, ruling and references.

The above is a summary of the things that may imply that ruling by other than that which Allah has revealed is a form of shirk akbar (major shirk):

(1) Ruling by other than that which Allaah has revealed.

(2) Denying the right of Allaah and His Messenger to rule.

(3) Preferring the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is complete or only in a few matters.

(4) Regarding the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal.

(5) Thinking that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts what Allaah has revealed, or believing that ruling by what Allaah has revealed is not obligatory or is optional.

(6) Refusing to rule by what Allaah has revealed.

By examining this topic from different angels, it becomes clear that what is counted as kufr akbar is the following:

1. 1. 1. Abolishing sharee‘ah as the law governing a country, as Mustafa Kemal (“Ataturk”) did in Turkey, as he abolished the book Majallah al-Ahkaam al-‘Adliyyah which was based on the Hanafi madhhab, and replaced it with man-made laws.
         
         
      2. Abolishing sharee‘ah courts.
         
         
      3. Imposing man-made laws, such as Italian, French, German law, etc., to judge between the people, or mixing these laws and Sharee‘ah, as Genghis Khan did in his book al-Yaasiq, which combined laws from different sources; the ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) ruled that he was a kaafir.
         
         
      4. Confining the role of sharee‘ah courts to so-called “civil” matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.
         
         
      5. Setting up non-sharee‘ah courts.
         
         
      6. Discussing sharee‘ah in parliament and voting on it; this indicates that implementing sharee‘ah is conditional upon a majority vote.
         
         
      7. Making sharee‘ah a secondary or main source, along with other sources of law. Even when they say that sharee‘ah is the primary source of legislation, this is still kufr akbar, because it means that they are allowing the adoption of laws from other sources too.
         
         
      8. Stating in the clauses of legislation that reference may be made to international law, or stating in treaties that in the case of dispute, the matter may be referred to such-and-such non-Islamic court.
         
         
      9. Criticizing sharee‘ah in public or in private, such as saying that it is rigid, incomplete or backward, or suggesting that it is incompatible with our times, or expressing admiration for non-Islamic laws.
         

As regards the question of when ruling by other than what Allaah revealed is kufr asghar, which does not exclude a person from the ummah of Islam:

the answer is that this may be the case when a ruler or judge passes judgement according to other than what Allaah revealed out of disobedience or on a whim, or as a favour to someone, or because he was bribed, and so on, although he believes that it is obligatory to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, and that what he has done is a sinful and haraam deed.

As regards the one who is governed by a non-Islamic law, if he refers to it out of choice, then he is a kaafir whose kufr akbar means that he has left Islaam. But if he has no choice but to refer to this law, and does so reluctantly, then he is not a kaafir, because if he had been able to resort to sharee‘ah, he would have done so, and he believes that this non-Islamic law is false.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

 

[Tukraq]

It's a rulers responsibily to rule by the sharia.

Allah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

• The command to rule according to what Allah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

• Warning against ruling by other than what Allah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

• Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

• Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]
  
  
• • The statement that nobody is better than Allah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]
  • The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon (rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].
  • The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42
• Judging or ruling according to other than what Allah has revealed is contrary to faith and Tawheed, which are Allaah’s rights. It may be counted as kufr akbar (greater kufr) or kufr asghar (lesser kufr) according to circumstances. Kufr akbar will make a person no longer a Muslim in cases such as the following:

1. If he issues laws and regulations other than those revealed by Allaah, because the right to issue laws belongs to Allaah alone, Who has no partner, and whoever “competes” with Him in a matter which is His alone is a mushrik, because Allaah says: “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]
   
   
2. If the one who rules by other than that which Allaah has revealed denies the right of Allaah and His Prophet to rule, as is mentioned in Ibn ‘Abbaas’s comment on the aayah:“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.”
   
   
3. If he prefers the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is in absolute terms or just in a few matters. Allaah says: “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa’idah 5:50]
   
   
4. If he regards the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. Allaah says: “. . . Then do not set up rivals unto Allaah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).” [al-Baqarah 2:22]
   
   
5. If he thinks that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts the rule of Allaah and His Messenger, or he believes that it is not obligatory to rule according to what Allaah has revealed, or that the matter is optional. This is kufr which is contradictory to faith. Allaah revealed: “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ . . .” [al-Maa’idah 5:41]. He says: “Go to Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if he tells you that the ruling is lashes, accept it, but if he commands stoning, ignore what he says. Then Allaah revealed “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon (disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44].
   
   
6. If he does not rule according to what Allah has revealed out of stubbornness and arrogance, he is a kaafir and has left Islaam, even if he does not deny the rule of Allaah. Stubbornness and arrogance may mean negligence and turning away, as Allaah says: “Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan wishes to lead them astray. And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger,’ see they hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:60-61]
   
   
7. Among the things that may be counted as ruling by other than that which Allaah revealed and kufr akbar is what Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem said about man-made laws and ruling by them: “This is the worst, the most obvious and comprehensive opposition to sharee‘ah and rejection of Allaah’s laws. This is competing with Allaah and His Messenger, contradicting His laws in their preparation, support, structure, ruling and references.

The above is a summary of the things that may imply that ruling by other than that which Allah has revealed is a form of shirk akbar (major shirk):

(1) Ruling by other than that which Allaah has revealed.

(2) Denying the right of Allaah and His Messenger to rule.

(3) Preferring the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is complete or only in a few matters.

(4) Regarding the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal.

(5) Thinking that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts what Allaah has revealed, or believing that ruling by what Allaah has revealed is not obligatory or is optional.

(6) Refusing to rule by what Allaah has revealed.

By examining this topic from different angels, it becomes clear that what is counted as kufr akbar is the following:

1. 1. 1. Abolishing sharee‘ah as the law governing a country, as Mustafa Kemal (“Ataturk”) did in Turkey, as he abolished the book Majallah al-Ahkaam al-‘Adliyyah which was based on the Hanafi madhhab, and replaced it with man-made laws.
         
         
      2. Abolishing sharee‘ah courts.
         
         
      3. Imposing man-made laws, such as Italian, French, German law, etc., to judge between the people, or mixing these laws and Sharee‘ah, as Genghis Khan did in his book al-Yaasiq, which combined laws from different sources; the ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) ruled that he was a kaafir.
         
         
      4. Confining the role of sharee‘ah courts to so-called “civil” matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.
         
         
      5. Setting up non-sharee‘ah courts.
         
         
      6. Discussing sharee‘ah in parliament and voting on it; this indicates that implementing sharee‘ah is conditional upon a majority vote.
         
         
      7. Making sharee‘ah a secondary or main source, along with other sources of law. Even when they say that sharee‘ah is the primary source of legislation, this is still kufr akbar, because it means that they are allowing the adoption of laws from other sources too.
         
         
      8. Stating in the clauses of legislation that reference may be made to international law, or stating in treaties that in the case of dispute, the matter may be referred to such-and-such non-Islamic court.
         
         
      9. Criticizing sharee‘ah in public or in private, such as saying that it is rigid, incomplete or backward, or suggesting that it is incompatible with our times, or expressing admiration for non-Islamic laws.

As regards the question of when ruling by other than what Allaah revealed is kufr asghar, which does not exclude a person from the ummah of Islam:

the answer is that this may be the case when a ruler or judge passes judgement according to other than what Allaah revealed out of disobedience or on a whim, or as a favour to someone, or because he was bribed, and so on, although he believes that it is obligatory to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, and that what he has done is a sinful and haraam deed.

As regards the one who is governed by a non-Islamic law, if he refers to it out of choice, then he is a kaafir whose kufr akbar means that he has left Islaam. But if he has no choice but to refer to this law, and does so reluctantly, then he is not a kaafir, because if he had been able to resort to sharee‘ah, he would have done so, and he believes that this non-Islamic law is false.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

shariah isn't really what Allah revealed though, were talking about rules not in the Quran and even if in the Quran based on interpretations

 

[Ayubi]

shariah isn't really what Allah revealed though, were talking about rules not in the Quran and even if in the Quran based on interpretations

You don't know what sharia is? Even a child knows what Sharia is. I'm starting to believe your a troll

Sharia
Sharia, Islamic law or sharia law is a religious law forming part of the Islamic tradition. It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the hadith. In Arabic, the term sharīʿah refers to God's immutable divine law

 

[Tukraq]

You don't know what sharia is? Even a child knows what Sharia is. I'm starting to believe your a troll

Sharia
Sharia, Islamic law or sharia law is a religious law forming part of the Islamic tradition. It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the hadith. In Arabic, the term sharīʿah refers to God's immutable divine law

I liked it for example under the prophet especially with his judgment, it wasn't like laws which we see when people think shariah now like for ex that confessed adulterer he told to go ask for forgiveness even though the rule was supposedly stoning meaning its nuisanced and to me the prophet was pretty much the best leader of all time, I don't think islamically a concept of modern shariah law like that used in say saudi right now with actual laws is accurate islamically and I don't think governments have the religious authority to do such a thing, basically I don't think government has religious authority

 

[Céleste]

@P4$t0 come out of the shadows

 

[Ayubi]

I liked it for example under the prophet especially with his judgment, it wasn't like laws which we see when people think shariah now like for ex that confessed adulterer he told to go ask for forgiveness even though the rule was supposedly stoning meaning its nuisanced and to me the prophet was pretty much the best leader of all time, I don't think islamically a concept of modern shariah law like that used in say saudi right now with actual laws is accurate islamically and I don't think governments have the religious authority to do such a thing, basically I don't think government has religious authority

Allah's laws are fixed, meaning their permanent. The stoning law is still useable but hard to prove since you need 4 righteous credible witnesses and the conditions make it hard. What your saying is sinful since Allah's laws are perfect and human laws are not. Allah told us to judge by what he has revealed, not what human beings invent.

 

[Tukraq]

Allah's laws are fixed, meaning their permanent. The stoning law is still useable but hard to prove since you need 4 righteous credible witnesses and the conditions make it hard. What your saying is sinful since Allah's laws are perfect and human laws are not. Allah told us to judge by what he has revealed, not what human beings invent.

didn't say anything about any laws in that post, just talked about a story about the prophet and his expert ruling and how wonderful he ruled, like I said I'm okay with that kind of setup although it wasn't a government, and thus I don't think governments have religious authority

 

[Céleste]

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/enforcement-of-hijab.73876/page-4#post-1947386

I know, I wanted to bully you.

 

[AarHawd_7]

May Allah protect us from secularism, May Allah take down all secularists, may peace prevail in Somalia under sharia law.


Ameen.

 

[Tukraq]

May Allah protect us from secularism, May Allah take down all secularists, may peace prevail in Somalia under sharia law.


Ameen.

governments aren't a religious authority and shouldn't be applying shariah law nor do they have any religious authority or superiority over us, I can understand a caliphate but a government shouldn't since its technically bidia, which is why they should be secular