Does being pro-Somaliland mean that you are a qabilist?

[shum33]

You forget SL actually can enforce authority unlike Xamar so if necessary they could just suppress opposition.

you are wasting your time reasoning and arguing with them

 

[Ayubi]

It’s obvious it will never happen, so no need to discuss them or ittiraf as it’s irrelevant in big picture.

Dhulbahante and warsengeli should make a state, the khat heads can’t stop you so unite and get it done in this next decade InshaAllah.

Warsangeli's are already apart of Puntland, they don't need to make their state. Dhulbahante's need to unite on their political goals and once they unite then they will achieve success.

 

[shum33]

Their leaders sold out though. Bribery works well too.

bribery?!! they beg us every year to join SL

 

[Genesis]

That was a high estimate but regardless, you don't walk in and destroy two large cities and walk out unscathed. Won't happen.

You are unaware of why Somaliland left in the first place it seems, the bombing of Hargeisa wasn't the turning point, it was actually Caydiid declaring himself President and the SNM/USC alliance breaking that your people decided to leave.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

You are unaware of why Somaliland left in the first place it seems, the bombing of Hargeisa wasn't the turning point, it was actually Caydiid declaring himself President and the SNM/USC alliance breaking that your people decided to leave.

Never learnt about it. So I'm guessing that was the reason for the brutal retaliation. You can't argue murdering innocent civilians is justified even so though. I hope you don't try to.

 

[Manafesto]

Why do you have to insult the South?

Because they holding the whole country hostage, the reason we are in this mess is because of them hosting terrorists and warlords in their land, my insult is justified one, we wouldn't be in the west as refugees if these Xoolos didn't destroy everything.

 

[Awbarkhadle]

You are unaware of why Somaliland left in the first place it seems, the bombing of Hargeisa wasn't the turning point, it was actually Caydiid declaring himself President and the SNM/USC alliance breaking that your people decided to leave.

Not caydiid Cali Mahdi

 

[Gambar]

Because they holding the whole country hostage, the reason we are in this mess is because of them hosting terrorists and warlords in their land, my insult is justified one, we wouldn't be in the west as refugees if these Xoolos didn't destroy everything.

Most Puntlanders have family in the south too.

 

[Soomaaliweyn]

Because they holding the whole country hostage, the reason we are in this mess is because of them hosting terrorists and warlords in their land, my insult is justified one, we wouldn't be in the west as refugees if these Xoolos didn't destroy everything.

Well technically these jabhads destroyed everything. First SSDF and then SNM. Thus SNM smuggled in weapons from their Ethiopian overlords to other faction fighters and the rest is history.

So the xoolo who destroyed the country came from the north

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Well technically these jabhads destroyed everything. First SSDF and then SNM. Thus SNM smuggled in weapons from their Ethiopian overlords to other faction fighters and the rest is history.

So the xoolo who destroyed the country came from the north

There was no political representation of the northerners. They usurped it all. I think that's what sparked it so not really.

 

[Genesis]

Never learnt about. So I'm guessing that was the reason for the brutal retaliation. You can't argue murdering innocent civilians is justified even so though. I hope you don't try to.

No, you got the timeline wrong. This is a general timeline of the events in the war

1980's = Hargeisa Bombing and Isaaq killings, at the same time SNM (Isaaq faction) is formed, they are allied with the USC (Hawiye faction)

1991 = Siad Barre removed from power by USC
- The 2 leaders of the USC Ali Mahdi and Caydiid both want the presidency and fight each other.
- SNM angry they didn't get as much power as promised, does not recognize new gov in Xamar
-SNM decides to leave the union and declares itself independent.

Your people don't know shit about what happened yet hate Somalia, the elites of Somaliland have brainwashed you to indiscriminately hate people who were your allies 30 years ago

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

No, you got the timeline wrong. This is a general timeline of the events in the war

1980's = Hargeisa Bombing and Isaaq killings, at the same time SNM (Isaaq faction) is formed, they are allied with the USC (Hawiye faction)

1991 = Siad Barre removed from power by USC
- The 2 leaders of the USC Ali Mahdi and Caydiid both want the presidency and fight each other.
- SNM angry they didn't get as much power as promised
-SNM decides to leave the union and declares itself independent.

Your people don't know shit about what happened yet hate Somalia.

No need to attack us sxb, I don't know as much since I'm from the UK it's only natural. I don't represent all four million plus Isaaqs. Which happened first though, the attacks or the factions? Regardless of the exact sequence of events the hate is justified and completely understandable.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

No, you got the timeline wrong. This is a general timeline of the events in the war

1980's = Hargeisa Bombing and Isaaq killings, at the same time SNM (Isaaq faction) is formed, they are allied with the USC (Hawiye faction)

1991 = Siad Barre removed from power by USC
- The 2 leaders of the USC Ali Mahdi and Caydiid both want the presidency and fight each other.
- SNM angry they didn't get as much power as promised, does not recognize new gov in Xamar
-SNM decides to leave the union and declares itself independent.

Your people don't know shit about what happened yet hate Somalia, the elites of Somaliland have brainwashed you to indiscriminately hate people who were your allies 30 years ago

Alright I see now, the factions were formed after the atrocities, they didn't cause them. They were unjustified. I see now. And from what I've learned there was no power sharing; it was completely centralized. Why wouldn't they secede? It's in their best interests. What a shitty government that was. We may have been brainwashed like you people allege, but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is Somalia was wholly responsible for all of this. Somaliland's actions were reactionary. Don't try to pin the blame on us or our 'elite'. It was all Somalia's fault. You admitted this yourself.

 

[Soomaaliweyn]

No need to attack us sxb, I don't know as much since I'm from the UK it's only natural. I don't represent all four million plus Isaaqs. Which happened first though, the attacks or the factions? Regardless of the exact sequence of events the hate is justified and completely understandable.

Factions were created on the back of Somalias defeat in the 1977 ogaden war. First it was an attempted coup d'etat from SSDF (Majerteenia) which was quickly repressed. Then SNM were formed, and following minor attacks against government officials in their regions under the support of Ethiopia, Ina Siyaad went to Ethiopia and formed a deal. Then SNM lost their sugar daddy and decided to go all out, and just went on a rampage. Ina Siyaad got his military to aerial bombard areas where they could be hiding. Then other jabhads slowly started to appear and anarchy followed. Then after the ousting of ina Siyaad, independence announcement followed and SNM inner fighting happened. Almost 30 years later they still scream ictiraaf.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Factions were created on the back of Somalias defeat in the 1977 ogaden war. First it was an attempted coup d'etat from SSDF (Majerteenia) which was quickly repressed. Then SNM were formed, and following minor attacks against government officials in their regions under the support of Ethiopia, Ina Siyaad went to Ethiopia and formed a deal. Then SNM lost their sugar daddy and decided to go all out, and just went on a rampage. Ina Siyaad got his military to aerial bombard areas where they could be hiding. Then other jabhads slowly started to appear and anarchy followed. Then after the ousting of ina Siyaad, independence announcement followed and SNM inner fighting happened. Almost 30 years later they still scream ictiraaf.

Justification for murdering innocent civilians? I don't think so.

 

[Yusuf M]

bribery?!! they beg us every year to join SL

Please take them and keep them.

 

[Soomaaliweyn]

Justification for murdering innocent civilians? I don't think so.

Of course not. AUN to all those who were unjustly murdered.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Factions were created on the back of Somalias defeat in the 1977 ogaden war. First it was an attempted coup d'etat from SSDF (Majerteenia) which was quickly repressed. Then SNM were formed, and following minor attacks against government officials in their regions under the support of Ethiopia, Ina Siyaad went to Ethiopia and formed a deal. Then SNM lost their sugar daddy and decided to go all out, and just went on a rampage. Ina Siyaad got his military to aerial bombard areas where they could be hiding. Then other jabhads slowly started to appear and anarchy followed. Then after the ousting of ina Siyaad, independence announcement followed and SNM inner fighting happened. Almost 30 years later they still scream ictiraaf.

I understand they wanted to suppress those breakaway factions but that wasn't the way to go about it. Even Israel knows better than to resort to that. Hamas would often use human shields but they still wouldn't attack.

 

[Nayamus]

If thats the case then teach them real history which would show that Haawiye were allies against MSB

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MSB and his qabiilism against was the enemy. also the his clan milititias wearing natiomal army uniforms. Not the South.

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And besides the official case for leaving the union is mainly about the Law of Union not the IsaaqGenocide

What is this Law of Union you speak of please explain more

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

What is this Law of Union you speak of please explain more

I believe he's referring to the Law of Union for when British and Italian Somaliland united, how power would be distributed. (Political representation)