Does being pro-Somaliland mean that you are a qabilist?

[babooshke]

discuss.

 

[Ayubi]

It depends. Many diaspora Landers don't know anything about qabiil but they were taught by their parents to support it which is why they support it but they don't know why they are supporting it, I wouldn't call them qabiilists. The other group supports it obviously for qabiil reasons and only qabiil reasons as the whole project is simply a qabiil project in reality. Those who deny this obvious fact are being deceptive and have an agenda.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Not necessarily. Isaaq is one of the most hated Somali clans. Noone disputes this. And we all know how violent and unstable the south is. Somaliland didn't happen for no reason. They'd probably try concentrating power to the capital, disregarding our national interests altogether. Somalia is also undemocratic whereas Somaliland is. Why wouldn't you be as an Isaaq? We're leaps and bounds ahead and don't intend on joining a union again. There's a virtual consensus on that. Greater Somalia is dead and has been for quite a long time. Even the notion of SL joining is quite silly imo. For what? What does that offer for us? Nothing we don't already have. Except violence and instability, oh and hatred. I forgot to mention it's reputation. Just the name Somalia brings negative thoughts to the mind, and I'm not speaking personally here.

 

[OffTheDome]

People hate on Somaliland solely for qabilistic reasons lool

 

[Ayubi]

Not necessarily. Isaaq is one of the most hated Somali clans. Noone disputes this. And we all know how violent and unstable the south is. Somaliland didn't happen for no reason. They'd probably try concentrating power to the capital, disregarding our national interests altogether. Somalia is also undemocratic whereas Somaliland is. Why wouldn't you be as an Isaaq? We're leaps and bounds ahead and don't intend on joining a union again. There's a virtual consensus on that. Greater Somalia is dead and has been for quite a long time. Even the notion of SL joining is quite silly imo. For what? What does that offer for us? Nothing we don't already have. Except violence and instability, oh and hatred. I forgot to mention it's reputation. Just the name Somalia brings negative thoughts to the mind, and I'm not speaking personally here.

When you say Somaliland and you're quoting it from a Somaliland point of view, just know it doesn't represent the viewpoint of Warsangelis, Dhulbahante and Samaroon and we need to make that clear.

 

[Medulla]

Only the lama ooyans of SL are against it's existence either provide a real alternative or watch SL keep moving forward. The clans in the NE , Central and Southern parts of somalia all hate eachother this site proves that daily. Who in there right mind wants to "return" to that.

 

[Gadhwayne]

It depends. Many diaspora Landers don't know anything about qabiil but they were taught by their parents to support it which is why they support it but they don't know why they are supporting it, I wouldn't call them qabiilists. The other group supports it obviously for qabiil reasons and only qabiil reasons as the whole project is simply a qabiil project in reality. Those who deny this obvious fact are being deceptive and have an agenda.

By your logic you must either be ignorant of qabiil and your parents taught you to support PL, or you support MajeerteeniyaState for qabiilist reasons

Pick one

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

When you say Somaliland and you're quoting it from a Somaliland point of view, just know it doesn't represent the viewpoint of Warsangelis, Dhulbahante and Samaroon and we need to make that clear.

Aren't the Dhulbahante split in favor of and against or was that some other qabiil?

 

[Ayubi]

By your logic you must either be ignorant of qabiil and your parents taught you to support PL, or you support MajeerteeniyaState for qabiilist reasons

Pick one

I'm talking about SL as a secessionist state, not as an existence. And yes MJs support their state for qabiil reasons and even their officials have stated that clearly unlike Somaliland officials who hide their qabyaalad under a "Country" and don't want to admit their clear intentions.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

When you say Somaliland and you're quoting it from a Somaliland point of view, just know it doesn't represent the viewpoint of Warsangelis, Dhulbahante and Samaroon and we need to make that clear.

Most Samaroon live in Ogaden anyways, at least from what I've heard.

 

[Ayubi]

Aren't the Dhulbahante split in favor of and against or was that some other qabiil?

Dhulbahante's are obviously against Somaliland but many of their leaders are sell outs who would do anything for cheap cash and their tribe is disunited for now which allow SL to take advantage.

Most Samaroon live in Ogaden anyways, at least from what I've heard.

They also live in Awdal

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

I'm talking about SL as a secessionist state, not as an existence. And yes MJs support their state for qabiil reasons and even their officials have stated that clearly unlike Somaliland officials who hide their qabyaalad under a "Country" and don't want to admit their clear intentions.

While that may be true, Somaliland is in the interest of all those in the region. Returning to union would result in disaster for the area.

 

[Odkac WRLD]

This dude @Gadhwayne been saying MajeerteeniyaState for so long.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

It depends. Many diaspora Landers don't know anything about qabiil but they were taught by their parents to support it which is why they support it but they don't know why they are supporting it, I wouldn't call them qabiilists. The other group supports it obviously for qabiil reasons and only qabiil reasons as the whole project is simply a qabiil project in reality. Those who deny this obvious fact are being deceptive and have an agenda.

Not all. I support SL, it isn't because anyone told me to and I know why I do. But I do know a fair bit about qabiil I would say.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

I think Greater Somalia would've been ideal had Siad Barre not completely screwed it up. You have him to blame, not us.

 

[Medulla]

This dude @Gadhwayne been saying MajeerteeniyaState for so long.

It's catchy and true lol just watch a FKD session between an MJ and a warsan or any other harti cousin, four seconds in the they are being told to stfu and PL belongs to Majerteen.

 

[Gadhwayne]

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I'm talking about SL as a secessionist state, not as an existence. And yes MJs support their state for qabiil reasons and even their officials have stated that clearly unlike Somaliland officials who hide their qabyaalad under a "Country" and don't want to admit their clear intentions.

You forgot to mention MajeerteeniyaState acts as an independent nation without DECLARING itself independent from Muqdisho. DECLARING is nothing but words so you are really talking about JSL existence

Not necessarily. Isaaq is one of the most hated Somali clans. Noone disputes this. And we all know how violent and unstable the south is. Somaliland didn't happen for no reason. They'd probably try concentrating power to the capital, disregarding our national interests altogether. Somalia is also undemocratic whereas Somaliland is. Why wouldn't you be as an Isaaq? We're leaps and bounds ahead and don't intend on joining a union again. There's a virtual consensus on that. Greater Somalia is dead and has been for quite a long time. Even the notion of SL joining is quite silly imo. For what? What does that offer for us? Nothing we don't already have. Except violence and instability, oh and hatred. I forgot to mention it's reputation. Just the name Somalia brings negative thoughts to the mind, and I'm not speaking personally here.

Stop the calaacal about the WHOLE of Koonfur. Our beef was with MSB regime and JSL left the union because we could not find a partner in the South after Caydiid was betrayed by CaliMahdi and the rest of his ximaariin

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This dude @Gadhwayne been saying MajeerteeniyaState for so long.

Message discipline. Im trying to teach these kids to focus their arguments. In this case ayubi hidinh behind Majeerteenism dressed as unionism

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[Medulla]

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You forgot to mention MajeerteeniyaState acts as an independent nation without DECLARING itself independent from Muqdisho. DECLARING is nothing but words so you are really talking about JSL existence





Stop the calaacal about the WHOLE of Koonfur. Our beef was with MSB regime and JSL left the union because we could not find a partner in the South after Caydiid was betrayed by CaliMahdi and the rest of his ximaariin

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Message discipline. Im trying to teach these kids to focus their arguments. In this case ayubi hidinh behind Majeerteenism dressed as unionism

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@OffTheDome @babooshke @Medulla

Your usage of the spoiler feature lowkey drives me crazy

 

[Yusuf M]

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You forgot to mention MajeerteeniyaState acts as an independent nation without DECLARING itself independent from Muqdisho. DECLARING is nothing but words so you are really talking about JSL existence





Stop the calaacal about the WHOLE of Koonfur. Our beef was with MSB regime and JSL left the union because we could not find a partner in the South after Caydiid was betrayed by CaliMahdi and the rest of his ximaariin

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Message discipline. Im trying to teach these kids to focus their arguments. In this case ayubi hidinh behind Majeerteenism dressed as unionism

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@OffTheDome @babooshke @Medulla

I wish Puntland declared independence. I have long lost faith in Somalia. I was even pro Independence when AY was president of Somalia.

 

[Yusuf M]

Only the lama ooyans of SL are against it's existence either provide a real alternative or watch SL keep moving forward. The clans in the NE , Central and Southern parts of somalia all hate eachother this site proves that daily. Who in there right mind wants to "return" to that.

You're right about clans hating each other. Alot of the time I just wish Somalia would dissolve like the former Yugoslavia and we all go out separate way.