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Sada Mire found some inscriptions in the north & were found to be Sabaean writing. Could we have been writing with it before Far Wadaad?
Somalis could have used Sabaean tho even if it was brought here by them.No those inscriptions were from Sabaean sailors
2021 - Sabaeans on the Somali coast. Arabian Archaeology and Epigraphy, 32(Suppl. 1), 328β 339. https://doi. org/10.1111/aae.12202
Due to copyright restrictions please email the author for a pdf of the paper. j.schiettecatte@cnrs.frwww.academia.edu
Somalis possibly had their own script, at least that's what Kacaan believed.Somalis could have used Sabaean tho even if it was brought here by them.
On the topic of Sabaeans, did they contribute to the ancient Somali ethnogenesis in anyway shape or form? Iβve seen that dna study on Somalis from bosaso, and it seems they had relatively moderate levels of middle eastern dna, ranging from around 15% to 25%. Could this be an indication of ancient sabaean settlement rather than a post Islamic Arab gene flow?View attachment 288245
Sada Mire found some inscriptions in the north & were found to be Sabaean writing. Could we have been writing with it before Far Wadaad?
I remember someone saying we had pre-Islamic Arabian dna like the habeshaβs too, only smaller in percentage & came from two diff peopleOn the topic of Sabaeans, did they contribute to the ancient Somali ethnogenesis in anyway shape or form? Iβve seen that dna study on Somalis from bosaso, and it seems they had relatively moderate levels of middle eastern dna, ranging from around 15% to 25%. Could this be an indication of ancient sabaean settlement rather than a post Islamic Arab gene flow?
So Somalis in ancient times were speaking Sabaean language, Mise are you saying these are Somali words written in Sabaean characters?Somalis could have used Sabaean tho even if it was brought here by them.
Iβm saying both actually.So Somalis in ancient times were speaking Sabaean language, Mise are you saying these are Somali words written in Sabaean characters?
Both are dumb claims marka and don't deserve any further discussionIβm saying both actually.
You think some Somalis or any traveling sabeans on the coastal cities didnβt speak Sabaean? Or some Somalis writing in sabaean whether that be for their language or the Sabaic language? It could be possibleBoth are dumb claims marka and don't deserve any further discussion
Somalis didn't exist at the time. The first written record of the word Somali appears in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 1 century CE all the regions stretching up to Zanzibar were apart of the kingdom of saba. Mogadishu, Merca, Barawa, lamu and mombasa were all apart of the ancient kingdom of saba. Read the benadiri: The renewal of the millinery identity. Chronicles also indicate the existence of Arab/Persian civilization before the birth of the prophet mohamed(PBUH). The Saebans were maritime people with a large kingdom in Yemen. They used the seasonal monsoon winds to travel regularly to the East African coast. Arabs founded and established the coastal settlements along the Indian Ocean and Red Sea in present day Somalia.On the topic of Sabaeans, did they contribute to the ancient Somali ethnogenesis in anyway shape or form? Iβve seen that dna study on Somalis from bosaso, and it seems they had relatively moderate levels of middle eastern dna, ranging from around 15% to 25%. Could this be an indication of ancient sabaean settlement rather than a post Islamic Arab gene flow?
Both are dumb claims marka and don't deserve any further discussion
Somalis didn't exist at the time. The first written record of the word Somali appears in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 1 century CE all the regions stretching up to Zanzibar were apart of the kingdom of saba. Mogadishu, Merca, Barawa, lamu and mombasa were all apart of the ancient kingdom of saba. Read the benadiri: The renewal of the millinery identity. Chronicles also indicate the existence of Arab/Persian civilization before the birth of the prophet mohamed(PBUH). The Saebans were maritime people with a large kingdom in Yemen. They used the seasonal monsoon winds to travel regularly to the East African coast. Arabs founded and established the coastal settlements along the Indian Ocean and Red Sea in present day Somalia.
When people talk of somalis in this context there refering to proto somalis after all somalis didn't just pop out of thin air after the word somali was mentioned in a book.Somalis didn't exist at the time. The first written record of the word Somali appears in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 1 century CE all the regions stretching up to Zanzibar were apart of the kingdom of saba. Mogadishu, Merca, Barawa, lamu and mombasa were all apart of the ancient kingdom of saba. Read the benadiri: The renewal of the millinery identity. Chronicles also indicate the existence of Arab/Persian civilization before the birth of the prophet mohamed(PBUH). The Saebans were maritime people with a large kingdom in Yemen. They used the seasonal monsoon winds to travel regularly to the East African coast. Arabs founded and established the coastal settlements along the Indian Ocean and Red Sea in present day Somalia.
Is there any academic literature showing that proto-Somalis ruled the coastal settlements of the Indian Ocean and Red Sea? There is a lot of academic literature showing that the Pre-Islamic Arabs had a strong presence in the coastal settlements of modern day Somalia. When the Sabeans arrived on the Indian Ocean coast, did they encounter proto-Somalis? Is there any academic literature showing that Proto-Somalis inhabited the coast before the arrival of the Sabeans?When people talk of somalis in this context there refering to proto somalis after all somalis didn't just pop out of thin air after the word somali was mentioned in a book.
There is still a lot of mystery around somali history due to instability and lack of funding when it comes to researching and preserving it. Aswell as the disadvantage of being people who as far as we know mainly relied on oral transmission
Somalis are an oral-based society you dumb Incel. Somalis never had any scripts. Somalis only learned how to read and write during the afweyne mass literacy campaign in the 1970s. The Somali language didn't even have its own written alphabet until 1972. Siad Barre introduced a standard written version of the Somali language using Latin script. Only 5% of Somalia's population were literate before the mass literacy campaign undertaken by afweyne. The benadiri community constituted the 5% of the population that were literate. They used Arabic scripts. You are always using the words such as probably, maybe or suggest, to assert your ridiculous and laughable statements.Somalis possibly had their own script, at least that's what Kacaan believed.
You totally missed my point.Is there any academic literature showing that proto-Somalis ruled the coastal settlements of the Indian Ocean and Red Sea? There is a lot of academic literature showing that the Pre-Islamic Arabs had a strong presence in the coastal settlements of modern day Somalia. When the Sabeans arrived on the Indian Ocean coast, did they encounter proto-Somalis? Is there any academic literature showing that Proto-Somalis inhabited the coast before the arrival of the Sabeans?
Read Sharif Aidaru's book on Mogadishu during the antiquity period. Read Benadiri Millinery Identity. Read Nuredin Hagi's book on benadiri identity. Read Read Read! You will come across a lot of historical and archeological evidence that shows Arabs established the coastal towns.You totally missed my point.
im saying that there is not much we know in general about somalis and the lands history because not much research has been done overall. Everything is up in the air especially if you wanna talk about sabeans and go that far back history wise. First hand evidence is better then second hand accounts. However no research is taking place due to instability.
Arab presence as traders isn't disputed but are you trying to say arabs are in fact native to somalia and were in fact muscled out with out any actual academic proof? Your the one making assertions I'm saying there isn't enough proof of anything yet because we lack research. If your going to make a claim bring academic proof im not making any claims
Are you a non ethnic somali because that would explain a lot of your previous commentsSomalis are an oral-based society you dumb Incel. Somalis never had any scripts. Somalis only learned how to read and write during the afweyne mass literacy campaign in the 1970s. The Somali language didn't even have its own written alphabet until 1972. Siad Barre introduced a standard written version of the Somali language using Latin script. Only 5% of Somalia's population were literate before the mass literacy campaign undertaken by afweyne. The benadiri community constituted the 5% of the population that were literate. They used Arabic scripts. You are always using the words probably, maybe or suggest, to assert your ridiculous and laughable statements.
I don't dispute arab presence tho I'm asking for you to cite your source on what these statements you have made are based off.Read Sharif Aidaru's book on Mogadishu during the antiquity period. Read Benadiri Millinery Identity. Read Nuredin Hagi's book on benadiri identity. Read Read Read! You will come across a lot of historical and archeological evidence that shows Arabs established the coastal towns.
Mustafa February talks about old grave sites in Mogadishu - and how they had names and clans engraved on them that were foreign.. not of Somali names or clans. (Mustafa feyrus youtube).
"The discovery of Abu Bakr ibn Haaji YaqΓΊt al Haasi's grave in Mogadishu is a significant historical find, not just for Banadir but for the wider Arab world as well. It is worth noting that al Haasi comes from the historical region of Al-Hasa in Saudi Arabia, which suggests that he was likely an Arab trader or settler who had made his way to the Banadir Coast during the early days of Islam.
The fact that the grave dates back to the 10th day of the month of Ramadan in the year 681 is especially noteworthy, as it provides evidence of the early presence of Islam in Mogadishu. It is also a testament to the enduring cultural and religious connections between the Arab world and the Banadir Coast, which remain strong to this day.
Overall, the discovery of Abu Bakr's grave is a valuable addition to our understanding of the history of the region, and a reminder of the rich and complex cultural heritage that has shaped Banadir and its people over the centuries."
Migrations of individual Persians and groups of Iranians to the East African coast were a constant factor in medieval times. Evidence to this are the tombs of Persian migrants in Mogadishu, this was discussed in B. Cerulli, Somalia, I (Rome, 1957), 2, 9.