Did Somalis write with Sabean?

[Emir of Zayla]

Sada Mire found some inscriptions in the north & were found to be Sabaean writing. Could we have been writing with it before Far Wadaad?

 

[Bari🐍]

No those inscriptions were from Sabaean sailors

2021 - Sabaeans on the Somali coast. Arabian Archaeology and Epigraphy, 32(Suppl. 1), 328– 339. https://doi. org/10.1111/aae.12202

Due to copyright restrictions please email the author for a pdf of the paper. j.schiettecatte@cnrs.fr

www.academia.edu

 

[Emir of Zayla]

No those inscriptions were from Sabaean sailors

2021 - Sabaeans on the Somali coast. Arabian Archaeology and Epigraphy, 32(Suppl. 1), 328– 339. https://doi. org/10.1111/aae.12202

Due to copyright restrictions please email the author for a pdf of the paper. j.schiettecatte@cnrs.fr

www.academia.edu

Somalis could have used Sabaean tho even if it was brought here by them.

 

[Bari🐍]

Somalis could have used Sabaean tho even if it was brought here by them.

Somalis possibly had their own script, at least that's what Kacaan believed.

 

[Freudiantard]

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Sada Mire found some inscriptions in the north & were found to be Sabaean writing. Could we have been writing with it before Far Wadaad?

On the topic of Sabaeans, did they contribute to the ancient Somali ethnogenesis in anyway shape or form? I’ve seen that dna study on Somalis from bosaso, and it seems they had relatively moderate levels of middle eastern dna, ranging from around 15% to 25%. Could this be an indication of ancient sabaean settlement rather than a post Islamic Arab gene flow?

 

[Emir of Zayla]

On the topic of Sabaeans, did they contribute to the ancient Somali ethnogenesis in anyway shape or form? I’ve seen that dna study on Somalis from bosaso, and it seems they had relatively moderate levels of middle eastern dna, ranging from around 15% to 25%. Could this be an indication of ancient sabaean settlement rather than a post Islamic Arab gene flow?

I remember someone saying we had pre-Islamic Arabian dna like the habesha’s too, only smaller in percentage & came from two diff people

 

[Som]

It's possible but there's no evidence it was used to write Somali or the ancient sabean language. Some inscriptions found in the internal areas of the North may indicate that it was ethnic somalis who made them but we would need to decipher them to make any guess. It's possible that somalis used sabean both as an alphabet and as a lingua franca , some Somali words have ancient sabean origin and our found only in Yemeni Arabic dialect

 

[Hamzza]

Somalis could have used Sabaean tho even if it was brought here by them.

So Somalis in ancient times were speaking Sabaean language, Mise are you saying these are Somali words written in Sabaean characters?

 

[Emir of Zayla]

So Somalis in ancient times were speaking Sabaean language, Mise are you saying these are Somali words written in Sabaean characters?

I’m saying both actually.

 

[Hamzza]

I’m saying both actually.

Both are dumb claims marka and don't deserve any further discussion

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Both are dumb claims marka and don't deserve any further discussion

You think some Somalis or any traveling sabeans on the coastal cities didn’t speak Sabaean? Or some Somalis writing in sabaean whether that be for their language or the Sabaic language? It could be possible

 

[HabarSteven12]

On the topic of Sabaeans, did they contribute to the ancient Somali ethnogenesis in anyway shape or form? I’ve seen that dna study on Somalis from bosaso, and it seems they had relatively moderate levels of middle eastern dna, ranging from around 15% to 25%. Could this be an indication of ancient sabaean settlement rather than a post Islamic Arab gene flow?

Somalis didn't exist at the time. The first written record of the word Somali appears in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 1 century CE all the regions stretching up to Zanzibar were apart of the kingdom of saba. Mogadishu, Merca, Barawa, lamu and mombasa were all apart of the ancient kingdom of saba. Read the benadiri: The renewal of the millinery identity. Chronicles also indicate the existence of Arab/Persian civilization before the birth of the prophet mohamed(PBUH). The Saebans were maritime people with a large kingdom in Yemen. They used the seasonal monsoon winds to travel regularly to the East African coast. Arabs founded and established the coastal settlements along the Indian Ocean and Red Sea in present day Somalia.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Both are dumb claims marka and don't deserve any further discussion

Somalis didn't exist at the time. The first written record of the word Somali appears in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 1 century CE all the regions stretching up to Zanzibar were apart of the kingdom of saba. Mogadishu, Merca, Barawa, lamu and mombasa were all apart of the ancient kingdom of saba. Read the benadiri: The renewal of the millinery identity. Chronicles also indicate the existence of Arab/Persian civilization before the birth of the prophet mohamed(PBUH). The Saebans were maritime people with a large kingdom in Yemen. They used the seasonal monsoon winds to travel regularly to the East African coast. Arabs founded and established the coastal settlements along the Indian Ocean and Red Sea in present day Somalia.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Somalis didn't exist at the time. The first written record of the word Somali appears in the 15th century. At the beginning of the 1 century CE all the regions stretching up to Zanzibar were apart of the kingdom of saba. Mogadishu, Merca, Barawa, lamu and mombasa were all apart of the ancient kingdom of saba. Read the benadiri: The renewal of the millinery identity. Chronicles also indicate the existence of Arab/Persian civilization before the birth of the prophet mohamed(PBUH). The Saebans were maritime people with a large kingdom in Yemen. They used the seasonal monsoon winds to travel regularly to the East African coast. Arabs founded and established the coastal settlements along the Indian Ocean and Red Sea in present day Somalia.

When people talk of somalis in this context there refering to proto somalis after all somalis didn't just pop out of thin air after the word somali was mentioned in a book.

There is still a lot of mystery around somali history due to instability and lack of funding when it comes to researching and preserving it. Aswell as the disadvantage of being people who as far as we know mainly relied on oral transmission

 

[HabarSteven12]

When people talk of somalis in this context there refering to proto somalis after all somalis didn't just pop out of thin air after the word somali was mentioned in a book.

There is still a lot of mystery around somali history due to instability and lack of funding when it comes to researching and preserving it. Aswell as the disadvantage of being people who as far as we know mainly relied on oral transmission

Is there any academic literature showing that proto-Somalis ruled the coastal settlements of the Indian Ocean and Red Sea? There is a lot of academic literature showing that the Pre-Islamic Arabs had a strong presence in the coastal settlements of modern day Somalia. When the Sabeans arrived on the Indian Ocean coast, did they encounter proto-Somalis? Is there any academic literature showing that Proto-Somalis inhabited the coast before the arrival of the Sabeans?

 

[HabarSteven12]

Somalis possibly had their own script, at least that's what Kacaan believed.

Somalis are an oral-based society you dumb Incel. Somalis never had any scripts. Somalis only learned how to read and write during the afweyne mass literacy campaign in the 1970s. The Somali language didn't even have its own written alphabet until 1972. Siad Barre introduced a standard written version of the Somali language using Latin script. Only 5% of Somalia's population were literate before the mass literacy campaign undertaken by afweyne. The benadiri community constituted the 5% of the population that were literate. They used Arabic scripts. You are always using the words such as probably, maybe or suggest, to assert your ridiculous and laughable statements.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Is there any academic literature showing that proto-Somalis ruled the coastal settlements of the Indian Ocean and Red Sea? There is a lot of academic literature showing that the Pre-Islamic Arabs had a strong presence in the coastal settlements of modern day Somalia. When the Sabeans arrived on the Indian Ocean coast, did they encounter proto-Somalis? Is there any academic literature showing that Proto-Somalis inhabited the coast before the arrival of the Sabeans?

You totally missed my point.

im saying that there is not much we know in general about somalis and the lands history because not much research has been done overall. Everything is up in the air especially if you wanna talk about sabeans and go that far back history wise. First hand evidence is better then second hand accounts. However no research is taking place due to instability.

Arab presence as traders isn't disputed but are you trying to say arabs are in fact native to somalia and were in fact muscled out with out any actual academic proof? Your the one making assertions I'm saying there isn't enough proof of anything yet because we lack research. If your going to make a claim bring academic proof im not making any claims

 

[HabarSteven12]

You totally missed my point.

im saying that there is not much we know in general about somalis and the lands history because not much research has been done overall. Everything is up in the air especially if you wanna talk about sabeans and go that far back history wise. First hand evidence is better then second hand accounts. However no research is taking place due to instability.

Arab presence as traders isn't disputed but are you trying to say arabs are in fact native to somalia and were in fact muscled out with out any actual academic proof? Your the one making assertions I'm saying there isn't enough proof of anything yet because we lack research. If your going to make a claim bring academic proof im not making any claims

Read Sharif Aidaru's book on Mogadishu during the antiquity period. Read Benadiri Millinery Identity. Read Nuredin Hagi's book on benadiri identity. Read Read Read! You will come across a lot of historical and archeological evidence that shows Arabs established the coastal towns.

Mustafa February talks about old grave sites in Mogadishu - and how they had names and clans engraved on them that were foreign.. not of Somali names or clans. (Mustafa feyrus youtube).

"The discovery of Abu Bakr ibn Haaji Yaqút al Haasi's grave in Mogadishu is a significant historical find, not just for Banadir but for the wider Arab world as well. It is worth noting that al Haasi comes from the historical region of Al-Hasa in Saudi Arabia, which suggests that he was likely an Arab trader or settler who had made his way to the Banadir Coast during the early days of Islam.

The fact that the grave dates back to the 10th day of the month of Ramadan in the year 681 is especially noteworthy, as it provides evidence of the early presence of Islam in Mogadishu. It is also a testament to the enduring cultural and religious connections between the Arab world and the Banadir Coast, which remain strong to this day.

Overall, the discovery of Abu Bakr's grave is a valuable addition to our understanding of the history of the region, and a reminder of the rich and complex cultural heritage that has shaped Banadir and its people over the centuries."

Migrations of individual Persians and groups of Iranians to the East African coast were a constant factor in medieval times. Evidence to this are the tombs of Persian migrants in Mogadishu, this was discussed in B. Cerulli, Somalia, I (Rome, 1957), 2, 9.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Somalis are an oral-based society you dumb Incel. Somalis never had any scripts. Somalis only learned how to read and write during the afweyne mass literacy campaign in the 1970s. The Somali language didn't even have its own written alphabet until 1972. Siad Barre introduced a standard written version of the Somali language using Latin script. Only 5% of Somalia's population were literate before the mass literacy campaign undertaken by afweyne. The benadiri community constituted the 5% of the population that were literate. They used Arabic scripts. You are always using the words probably, maybe or suggest, to assert your ridiculous and laughable statements.

Are you a non ethnic somali because that would explain a lot of your previous comments

Plus your statement Is ludicrous your acting as if somalia pre 1960s was a single state. There are posts on here of letters from different regions of somalia written in somali in the Arabic script and your trying to say that every somali besides the benadiri who are solely concentrated in the South where the only ones who where literate

 

[Odious Delirium]

Read Sharif Aidaru's book on Mogadishu during the antiquity period. Read Benadiri Millinery Identity. Read Nuredin Hagi's book on benadiri identity. Read Read Read! You will come across a lot of historical and archeological evidence that shows Arabs established the coastal towns.

Mustafa February talks about old grave sites in Mogadishu - and how they had names and clans engraved on them that were foreign.. not of Somali names or clans. (Mustafa feyrus youtube).

"The discovery of Abu Bakr ibn Haaji Yaqút al Haasi's grave in Mogadishu is a significant historical find, not just for Banadir but for the wider Arab world as well. It is worth noting that al Haasi comes from the historical region of Al-Hasa in Saudi Arabia, which suggests that he was likely an Arab trader or settler who had made his way to the Banadir Coast during the early days of Islam.

The fact that the grave dates back to the 10th day of the month of Ramadan in the year 681 is especially noteworthy, as it provides evidence of the early presence of Islam in Mogadishu. It is also a testament to the enduring cultural and religious connections between the Arab world and the Banadir Coast, which remain strong to this day.

Overall, the discovery of Abu Bakr's grave is a valuable addition to our understanding of the history of the region, and a reminder of the rich and complex cultural heritage that has shaped Banadir and its people over the centuries."

Migrations of individual Persians and groups of Iranians to the East African coast were a constant factor in medieval times. Evidence to this are the tombs of Persian migrants in Mogadishu, this was discussed in B. Cerulli, Somalia, I (Rome, 1957), 2, 9.

I don't dispute arab presence tho I'm asking for you to cite your source on what these statements you have made are based off.

Can you not just cite the extracts that proves your statements alongside the historical and archaeological proofs the authors uses to support there hypothesis?

because the discovery of old graves doesn't indicate that they founded anything like your suggesting rather that they where present. What extracts do you have that indicates they founded it and not just that they where present?

The Indian Ocean was the hot spot of the aincent world all sorts of stuff have wounded up there and people all over the world have travelled and settled there.