Samaalic Era
QurboExit
I know deep down you probably hate Madows more than everyone here and that you would be the first to fight them if they lived Waqooyi Galbeed tbh
Islam is the only hope for Native Americans to make a comeback
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Moving past FKD, I truly believe that if the Native Americans had Islam before the Europeans came they probably would've still had their land or if they had failed they would've still continued the fight to this day. Same thing for other Africans.
Also notice how all the Muslims during colonization didn't fold it seems to me that Islam is a morale enhancer.
Also notice how all the Muslims during colonization didn't fold it seems to me that Islam is a morale enhancer.
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
Thats a fact sxb. Islam, when it is in the hearts of a people, will always resist to the bitter end. With these other groups, they lost the spirit to resist after a few setbacks while Somalia resisted Portuguese filth when they tried to do the same shit they did to Brazil
But also on the flip side imagine Cadaans with Islam.
That would've been a sight to behold.
Dude....plenty of West African slaves were Muslims and there's accounts of famous ones too. The Mali empire was once a proud Muslim empire until they got barbashed and turned into slaves.
Do I need to mention what the pagan barbarian Mongols did to the Muslims? What about how the Jewish Israelis utterly demolished all Arab nations that attacked it?
1.) The slaves that the Mali empire sold were mostly gaals and if there was an off-chance they sold a Muslim slave once the European gaals find out that a slave they bought was a muslim they would immediately send him back because they considered him a threat that could start a slave rebellion.
2.) The Mongols themselves were in turn were defeated by the muslims as well.
3.) The Arabs were fighting for Arab nationalism not Islam if they fought for Islam Israel wouldn't have been a thing.
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I know deep down you probably hate Madows more than everyone here and that you would be the first to fight them if they lived Waqooyi Galbeed tbh
@Samaalic Era
So your message to indigenous Americans is become Muslims like Somalis, start a bitter and never ending inter clan indigenous wars, deport white, African Americans and all other refugees who settled in your country. You think this is a fantastic idea!!!!
Nigga what? Plenty of Malian Muslims became slaves wtf?
Yeah after the Mongol empire split but even then it was only the western Mongols. The Mongols were never easily defeated.
what do u mean? You're telling me that the Muslim Arabs didn't go against Israel cus their holy land (Palestine) wasn't about to get conquered by USA backed Jews??? lol @ "if they fought for Islam" kkk that was most definitely a fight for Islam and Muslims in Palestine
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Nigga what? Plenty of Malian Muslims became slaves wtf?
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Yeah after the Mongol empire split but even then it was only the western Mongols. The Mongols were never easily defeated.
lol @ "if they fought for Islam" kkk that was most definitely a fight for Islam and Muslims in Palestine
@Waaqo of Punt
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In Islam Slavery of another Muslim (and a free one at that) is haram.
“Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).
Also did you forget that the Mali empire was crumbling when the Europeans were trading slaves? The Portuguese came in and raided the Mali empire of its Gold. So its not likely they also didn't kidnap some people in their raids who just so happen to be Muslim to be taken to slave markets.
2.) Please refer to the Battle of Ain Jalut.
3.) Yes Muslim Arabs (and conveniently leaving out Christian Arabs.) fought for Arab nationalism.
Arab nationalism is a Secular idea not an islamic idea. Plus having the third holiest sight in islam helps their cause they get non-Arab muslims to help them its just a bonus.
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Sspots gaal committee might get heart attack from this but it's already happening in Mexico.
The osurce u posted doesn't actually say thta Muslims weren't traded off. Yes Islam prohibits the selling of another Muslim but that doesn't mean reality is different.@Waaqo of Punt
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In Islam Slavery of another Muslim (and a free one at that) is haram.
“Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).
Also did you forget that the Mali empire was crumbling when the Europeans were trading slaves? The Portuguese came in and raided the Mali empire of its Gold. So its not likely they also didn't kidnap some people in their raids who just so happen to be Muslim to be taken to slave markets.
2.) Please refer to the Battle of Ain Jalut.
3.) Yes Muslim Arabs (and conveniently leaving out Christian Arabs.) fought for Arab nationalism.
Arab nationalism is a Secular idea not an islamic idea. Plus having the third holiest sight in islam helps their cause they get non-Arab muslims to help them its just a bonus.
Anyway, many of the slaves brought to America were Muslims from WA.
I know that Mongols eventually got defeated but that doesn't chnage the fact that Mongols destoryed Muslim empires and killed around half the Muslim population at the time. Search it up urself.
Bro ur original post said that Islam builds character and doesn't allow colonial-like oppression but the fact that Arabs could do nothing to Israel speaks volumes. I'm just being honest. Adal waged war in the name of Islam and still got defeated by the Abyssinians too in the end.
1.) The Mali Empire was proficient in Slave trading and they did it as per Islamic code. Capturing a muslim is low, but capturing and selling a fellow Muslim to Gaal is the lowest of the low. No way were the Malian Muslims that morally bankrupt.
2.) I know that the Mongols were defeating muslims, but the whole point of this thread was to showcase how Islam dose indeed build an anti-colonialist character. Oh and btw when the Khwarezians were defeated, Sultan Jalaludin (the alledged father to Mameluke Sultan Qutuz who would later go on to fully defeat the Mongols at Ain Jalut.) led a rebellion for decades against the imperialist Mongols themselves.po
3.) The Abyssinian-Adalite wars ended in Stalemate my guy that does not compare to the Arab-Israeli wars.
One fought for Islam and the other fought for Arab nationalism. I'll let you figure out who's who.
1) West African slaves included some Muslims who were known for being particularly fierce in their resistance. Muslims were purposefully separated by the gaals so as to not coordinate rebellions on plantations. Look up the Muslim Malê Revolt of Brazil in Ramadan 1835. Black African Muslim slaves fought against the Portuguese and as a result, the surviving rebels who were involved were sent back to Africa as free people as they Europeans didn't want them to serve as a catalyst for more revolts.
2) The Mongols were exceptionally powerful and sacked Baghdad, the capital of the Muslim world at the time, but the first group to defeat them in battle and stop their encroachment permanently was the Muslims at the Battle of Ain Jalut in September 1260. Furthermore, while Ghengis Khan was a pagan, his grandson converted to Islam, and within five generations of Ghengis, the Mongol Empire was divided into 4 Khanates - the Ilkhanate, Golden Horde, Chagatai Khanate, and Yuan Dynasty - three of which were Muslim (all except the Yuan).
3) The Adal-Abyssinian wars ended in a stalemate after the death of Imam Ahmed Gurey resulting in status quo ante bellum. He had conquered over 80% of Ethiopia when he died and would have likely conquered all of it had he not died so abruptly. The only group who truly "won" were the Oromo who were then able to migrate north in the Great Oromo Migrations as both Somalis of Adal and Amhara of Abyssinia were too weakened after the war to stop the Oromo hordes.
4) Israel-Palestine is an Arab war, not a religious dispute, and has been since the forefathers of the Arab kings sold their brothers to the British and decided to destroy the Ummah. Don't confuse Arab nationalism/Baathism with Islam.
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They are not rare. They are mostly found in Central/South America.
Most Natives from North America are lighter skinned.
VixR
Veritas
Objectively, the very last thing Native Americans need is mass conversion to Islam. This must be one of the most random, senseless opinion pieces on here.
Ethnocentric and Islamic is an oxymoron. The spread of Islam is as much a cultural and political Arabization as it is a belief system.
Ethnocentric and Islamic is an oxymoron. The spread of Islam is as much a cultural and political Arabization as it is a belief system.
ObJeCtIvEly
VixR
Veritas
Yes, objectively. Dude, do the mental math yourself.
I don’t see how you can say Islam could’ve saved them with a straight face, when the vast majority of majority-Muslim ethnicities/countries are not enriched or better off with Islam. That’s [religion] clearly not a metric of success.
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
Islam and Arabism are two different things that you are mixing up. Islam would rout the social ills amongst them
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