The real benefit of the Turkish base in Somalia

[madaxweyne]

Open as many Jail Ogadens as you want. As long as you don't try to settle the land that is Somali and give majority of the resources to Somali state. We won't fight you. Development over war. The West will never allow Somali state to be cut off nor Oromia nor Tigray or any seccesionist state in Ethiopia. Secondly, African Union won't even entertain it. As it will open Pandora's box in Africa. That's another reason Somaliland won't get recognized as well. Change ethnic federalism and you'll have another '77 war on your hands. Tell that to your Ethiopian intelligence higher ups.




And this coming from someone whose ancestors conquered you twice.

shes right focus on what you have in my opinion were technically destroying the little we have besides we got oil in the area what we controll what are we gonna do with a desert with more unruly illeterate uneducated nomads

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

The whole north coast up to the cape guardafui

No Turks ever ruled gardafuu moron stop making stuff up!

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Yup, they claimed it and where recognized by other empires. But they directly controlled Zeila.

Show proof of natives being under Turkey or evidence Turks ever had presence?

 

[Reformed J]

Show proof of natives being under Turkey or evidence Turks ever had presence?

I provided a source in the thread as proof. Find it.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Yup, they claimed it and where recognized by other empires. But they directly controlled Zeila.

Show proof of natives being under Turkey or evidence Turks ever had presence?

I provided a source in the thread as proof. Find it.

So the Maakhir sultanat and Majeertenia sultanat never exited it was turks ruling
why do some lie or make shit up with places they not even from, what do you gain?

 

[Reformed J]

So the Maakhir sultanat and Majeertenia sultanat never exited it was turks ruling
why do some lie or make shit up with places they not even from, what do you gain?

Do you know what an empire is?

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Read again, my point is don't destroy the land you already control in hopes to control more. War is destruction nothing else. You not only destroy others you will be also destroyed. That is my point.

War isn't destruction, you don't know what you're talking about. Are you a pacifist?

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Do you know what an empire is?

Yes but when was Gardafuu under the Osman empire, are all the ancient towns,castles,historic and local references all made up and your claim is right?

 

[Ayubi]

Do you know what an empire is?

So what you're saying is the Turks ruled over an already independent sultanate (Majerteenia)? Surely you can't be this stupid. Also the Egyptian rule in Berbera was only nominal, they had claimed it for a bit but never ruled it.

 

[Reformed J]

Yes but when was Gardafuu under the Osman empire, are all the ancient towns,castles,historic and local references all made up and your claim is right?

The Ottomans laid claim along the whole northern Somali coast, but they only had control in Zeila and Berbera towns.

They had little to no influence over the Somali nomads in the interior.

 

[Reformed J]

So what you're saying is the Turks ruled over an already independent sultanate (Majerteenia)? Surely you can't be this stupid. Also the Egyptian rule in Berbera was only nominal, they had claimed it for a bit but never ruled it.

No. Ottomans didn't have influence over Boqor Osman, the Omanis/Zanzibar did.

 

[Ayubi]

No. Ottomans didn't have influence over Boqor Osman, the Omanis/Zanzibar did.

When did Omanis/Zanzibaris ever claim Majerteenia? Omanis/Zanzibar never claimed any lands other than the Benadir coast and they never controlled Benadir, it was only nominal. The Benadir coasts were ruled by the locals.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

War isn't destruction, you don't know what you're talking about. Are you a pacifist?

No. Ottomans didn't have influence over Boqor Osman, the Omanis/Zanzibar did.

Now its Omanis who did not turk, how did Omanis influence the sultanate when they had a long running beef and competition. boqor Osman is recent history dont make stuff up?

 

[Reformed J]

When did Omanis/Zanzibaris ever claim Majerteenia? Omanis/Zanzibar never claimed any lands other than the Benadir coast and they never controlled Benadir, it was only nominal. The Benadir coasts were ruled by the locals.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Lmao. MJ used to send soldiers to fight for the omani empire and helped in the trafficking of Madow slaves.

Sultant Barghash had a palace in Mogadishu (which is the national museum of Somalia now), the rule wasn't nominal

Now its Omanis who did not turk, how did Omanis influence the sultanate when they had a long running beef and competition. boqor Osman is recent history dont make stuff up?

Boqor Osman worked for the sultan Oman. We used to send soldiers to fight in wars for Omani sultan, even in the dhofar rebellion many MJ fought and got land and governorship in return. The boqor even had a palace in Zanzibar which the Indian Ismailis took over during the Zanzibar revolution.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Lmao. MJ used to send soldiers to fight for the omani empire and helped in the trafficking of Madow slaves.

Sultant Barghash had a palace in Mogadishu (which is the national museum of Somalia now), the rule wasn't nominal


Boqor Osman worked for the sultan Oman. We used to send soldiers to fight in wars for Omani sultan, even in the dhofar rebellion many MJ fought and got land and governorship in return. The boqor even had a palace in Zanzibar which the Indian Ismailis took over during the Zanzibar revolution.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Lmao. MJ used to send soldiers to fight for the omani empire and helped in the trafficking of Madow slaves.

Sultant Barghash had a palace in Mogadishu (which is the national museum of Somalia now), the rule wasn't nominal


Boqor Osman worked for the sultan Oman. We used to send soldiers to fight in wars for Omani sultan, even in the dhofar rebellion many MJ fought and got land and governorship in return. The boqor even had a palace in Zanzibar which the Indian Ismailis took over during the Zanzibar revolution.

Boqor sent settlers to Juba to establish Kismaayo in his beef with Oman and never sent soldiers to fight for Oman went he was openly allied with Qisn-Mehra sultanat in Yeme, you moron he was busy enough fighting dervish which everybody knows and also fought Italians up to 1940s long after the sultanat was destroyed. The Dhofar war was in the 70s how the hell did boqor Osman send troops and how could Omanis give us lands when we settle with kin who Majerteenia sultanate was allied with, Oman hartis been in Dhofar centuries before boqor Osman.

how could Boqor Osman have a palace in Zanzibar when his history is well recorded and kept in Qardho and Bargaal walle are you mentally fit nin yahow making stuff up like a crazy person. I’m from that Sultanate like many others here You can’t get away with bullshit

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Honestly Gulf Arabs make for better friends.

 

[Reformed J]

Boqor sent settlers to Juba to establish Kismaayo in his beef with Oman and never sent soldiers to fight for Oman went he was openly allied with Qisn-Mehra sultanat in Yeme, you moron he was busy enough fighting dervish which everybody knows and also fought Italians up to 1940s long after the sultanat was destroyed. The Dhofar war was in the 70s how the hell did boqor Osman send troops and how could Omanis give us lands when we settle with kin who Majerteenia sultanate was allied with, Oman hartis been in Dhofar centuries before boqor Osman.

how could Boqor Osman have a palace in Zanzibar when his history is well recorded and kept in Qardho and Bargaal walle are you mentally fit nin yahow making stuff up like a crazy person. I’m from that Sultanate like many others here You can’t get away with bullshit

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[Tucking_Fypo]

My ancestors were one of those MJ that established Kismayo, they got permission from the sultan of Zanzibar to do it.

The Sultan of Mahra was under Omani hegemony as well lol.

Dhofar war was in the 60s, as you said MJ have been living in Dhofar and eastern Yemen for generations. The fought for the sultan of Oman. Arabized MJ got high positions in the armies of Oman, Yemen and UAE police.

The Boqor had a palace in Zanzibar because he used to travel to zanzibar. The dynasty used to intermarry with them as well, as did the sultans of Oman/Zanzibar.

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Don’t lie about my history get your own dude no way in hell you are reer boqor they are well known and you have none of their royal traits,royalty can’t be claimed by peasants they don’t have the proper traits


No MJ would lie about his own history only a loomaoyaan with zero of his own can come up with that amount of bullshit.

bring proof and pictures of Boqor Osmans zanzibar palace!

 

[Reformed J]

Don’t lie about my history get your own dude no way in hell you are reer boqor they are well known and you have none of their royal traits,royalty can’t be claimed by peasants they don’t have the proper traits


No MJ would lie about his own history only a loomaoyaan with zero of his own can come up with that amount of bullshit.

bring proof and pictures of Boqor Osmans zanzibar palace!

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[Tucking_Fypo]

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You lost it when you can’t prove your bullshit and will be call out every time you lie about my history and nation!


still no pic of osmans zanzibar palace?