Im so jealous of my grandfather and father who lived in honourable times. They lived in dignity and without fear, now Somalia is a cesspool of tribal fiefdoms who cant even develop toilets let alone factories.
Will the tribal fiefdoms achieve a fraction of this?
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I travel alot is your answer, what a troll, if you call this horumur than I have nothing more to say, the truth is Somalia had less than 2 million population and most of our citizens where living below proverty.
Abdisamad
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Somalia is broken into clan lines even farmajo and his government is based on clan 4.5. Anyway what's your argument?
Are you an idiot? How is a famine Kacaan inflicted?
my arguenent is clan fiefdoms will not bring any prosperity even with 10 000 years
the only thing that can bring that a central form of government with devolved units much like the Nordic countries
you mean moqdishu under the kacaan don't you. Ask any somaliland person how well hargaysa was flourishing under siyad barre. It sounds like your idea of the kacaan is a clan enclave
Under Kacaan hargeisa had public places to relax, it had free education and it had better roads and city planning.
today none of that exists! So what are you speaking about
Dont forget National Hargeisa Theatre which entertained people
Abdisamad
VIP
Well Somalia is divided into clans even the farmaajo government is based on clan 4.5.. Why do you support farmaajo government if you are anti qabiil? Also how are you going to get people to accept a central government when no one trusts eachother in Somalia?
Abdisamad
VIP
I'm sure those mig fighter jet missiles/bombs were entertaining as hell especially when people had to ran for their lives, the kacaan was keeping them healthy and all.
The reason the farmaajo/kheyre administration is appealing to me is becoz neither of them has qabil interests be it farmaajo for darood or even marexaan or kheyre hawiye or murursade.... they have shown commitment to try and pull a country from a dark place to a shinning state.
but it is proving to be difficult as the vast majority of Somalis have qabil mindsets.
I believe clan states was the answer to the civil war, it was means to survive. However I do not believe independent states can ever compete with a unified government in 2020. What is the point if local governments can not create jobs? build roads, factories, improve education system, prevent local militias always fighting?. They need help and Strong SFG is the answer 
No, that was when Ethiopian armed rebels stormed the city... it was self defence. I wish we still had that army today but Ethiopia has won.
Adaawe
Xoog iyo Xiniyo #NGM enforcer
@TheMadMullah
The Kacaan isn't returning bro. The country is federal now. That's a bygone era. It was the golden age for sure. But now every region wants to develop. Which in my opinion is good. Which will alleviate poverty. Where I disagree with regionalists is the fact that foreign countries dictate the policies of the states. That's where I draw the line. To solve the current political disagreements. I propose a new capital. Like Brazil built theirs. But Somalia always thrived as city states if you look at our history such as Adal, Ifat, Geledi, and Ajuraan. I'm a MX saying this, FYI. I detest your cousins but @DR OSMAN was right, Xamar is the capital in name only.
The Kacaan isn't returning bro. The country is federal now. That's a bygone era. It was the golden age for sure. But now every region wants to develop. Which in my opinion is good. Which will alleviate poverty. Where I disagree with regionalists is the fact that foreign countries dictate the policies of the states. That's where I draw the line. To solve the current political disagreements. I propose a new capital. Like Brazil built theirs. But Somalia always thrived as city states if you look at our history such as Adal, Ifat, Geledi, and Ajuraan. I'm a MX saying this, FYI. I detest your cousins but @DR OSMAN was right, Xamar is the capital in name only.
Even a child knows the Kacaan won’t come back.... but the fact remains that only centralized form of government (open for interpretation) is the only way out of this mess.@TheMadMullah
The Kacaan isn't returning bro. The country is federal now. That's a bygone era. It was the golden age for sure. But now every region wants to develop. Which in my opinion is good. Which will alleviate poverty. Where I disagree with regionalists is the fact that foreign countries dictate the policies of the states. That's where I draw the line. To solve the current political disagreements. I propose a new capital. Like Brazil built theirs. But Somalia always thrived as city states if you look at our history such as Adal, Ifat, Geledi, and Ajuraan. I'm a MX saying this, FYI. I detest your cousins but @DR OSMAN was right, Xamar is the capital in name only.
city states is ticket to poverty for life
Same boring nonsense over and over again. Thank god for the demise of the cursed centralism that produced a city state and neglected the rest of the country. We should even go further with confederation and the option to go our separate ways.
Abdisamad
VIP
I believe clan states was the answer to the civil war, it was means to survive. However I do not believe independent states can ever compete with a unified government in 2020. What is the point if local governments can not create jobs? build roads, factories, improve education system, prevent local militias always fighting?. They need help and Strong SFG is the answer
Well both farmaajo and Kheyre were elected because of their qabiil.. And of course they represent qabiil but what you like about farmaajo is probably his kacaan ambitions.. As I said Somalia has been through an ugly civil war and no one trusts each other even if you your intentions are good it won't work.. What we need is federal states if we cannot agree on federalism then we need to form mini independent states like the uae, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar.
Adaawe
Xoog iyo Xiniyo #NGM enforcer
Centralization isn't returning. Having the center dictating international agreements and representation is smart and what everybody else is doing. What do you propose? The Siad Barre style central power isn't returning. Having centralized federalism like the US with clear constitutional limits on the centre and periphery is what we need. A Supreme Court that babysits either side as well. But what was inherited by Farmaajo from his predecessors is client states of the TPLF and Kenya. He has to assert the centre's power ofc. But after that he has to set the ground rules. Period. Confederation is for those who can't win in Xamar, the current capital.
Abdisamad
VIP
That army is long gone thanks to Ethiopia Somali war, we were crushed like small bugs by the soviet union, now 30 years and a civil war later we are still losing. You see this is why I support PIM I'm tired of all the Somali drama, as an independent Puntland state we can atleast move on and develop our own state in a peaceful manner without being tight up to a dead Somali nation.
I would say the best model for Somalis would be the scandinavian model parliamentary democracy with devolved functions and it should be a proportionate systemCentralization isn't returning. Having the center dictating international agreements and representation is smart and what everybody else is doing. What do you propose? The Siad Barre style central power isn't returning. Having centralized federalism like the US with clear constitutional limits on the centre and periphery is what we need. A Supreme Court that babysits either side as well. But what was inherited by Farmaajo from his predecessors is client states of the TPLF and Kenya. He has to assert the centre's power ofc. But after that he has to set the ground rules. Period. Confederation is for those who can't win in Xamar, the current capital.
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