Why the Somali people are a failed nation.

[Idilinaa]

On decentralization: you’re wrong again. America, the same country the video praised, is a decentralized federation of states and local governments and that’s part of its strength. Decentralization is not the same thing as fragmentation. Having federal states doesn’t mean clan fiefdoms or disunity; it means communities are empowered to develop their own regions, allocate resources fairly, and elect their own leaders. That’s healthy.

In fact, decentralization has already shown results in Somalia. For example in that Kenyan thread i pointed out how the Northeast established its administration post-conflict with SL, public trust increased, development took off, investment poured in from the diaspora and the economy grew. Representation fosters cooperation; monopolization of power breeds resentment.

That’s why decentralization works: Which i have explained at length before

Somalia would benefit more from a unitary system that allows for local governance. A bottom up approach if you will, a political system that compliments our strong private sector.

Most of the modern developed economies in the world have decentralized their government structure. For example Japan decentralized a lot during its economic boom in the 1970-90s , so it could distribute services and resources to people outside of Tokyo who lacked access to electricity and other services and eliminate financial shortages in other regions.

It is today divided in the regional prefectures and municipalities with their own local authority and autonomy.

Decentralisation in Japan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Decentralisation in Japan is a political reform to gain autonomy of the local territories in Japan. The plan officially began in 1981 because of the 1970s energy crisis and the disparity between Tokyo and other prefectures, that caused to streamline the administration to reduce a fiscal constrain.

Norway is similar to this as well its very decentralized divided into local governments with their own autonomy into municipalities and counties.
Norway: Governmental, Decentralized and Trusted

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You can find the same thing across many different countries even United Kingdom.

Decentralization is a good thing . It promotes cooperation across the country .resource sharing and local community building and government efficiency. Local governments are closer to the people and understand local needs better. Decentralization allows faster decision-making, especially in public services like education, infrastructure, and policing.

Decentralization helps spread economic growth across regions instead of concentrating it in capital cities. Regions can develop their own industrial strengths, tax bases, and investment strategies.It encourages local innovation and competition between regions for better governance.

Even the Kacaan government was not fully centralized. It was unitary but It had decentralized it's administration , divided the country into many gobols(provinces) with their own local council, district committees etc and regional governors that had their own local elections

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Infact one of their mission statements was precisly to decentralize Somalia's administrative structure to allow for people of every background and region to be participants in the decision making process and to make the government administrative machinery more effecient.

''They should not set themselves up as masters but should consult the people regarding their local problems"

At the root of Somali conflicts, it has never been about “clan pride” or 4.5 politics like you claim. It’s about self-determination and fair access to resources.

Ogaden is a perfect case study: decades of ONLF/WSLF conflict with Ethiopia ended not with them being conquered, but with autonomy, and now the region governs itself , i also pointed out that it retain's a large share of revenues from its natural gas to fund development and other resources are used to benefit the people. It is the most peaceful region right now and it's the only economically free region as well.

Compare this to Ethiopia, Kenya, or Tanzania, where centralized governments hoard resources in the capital and neglect far off regions. That’s why their large slums exist right outside their capitals, and why development is so uneven

The people in those countries don’t actually fight to change the system, they fight to dominate and subdue each other, while the general populations in Kenya and Tanzania are docile and simply accept the status quo. Somalis don’t. That’s not a weakness; it’s a refusal to be subdued. Somalis also drive innovation to solve problems and don’t sit around waiting for handouts from a central state. They self-organize, take initiative, and get things done for themselves.
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I also think people are wrong about Djibouti , it benefits from it's multiple bases, it actually allows them project power, maintain sovereignity whilst also aquirring billions in return. It's actually an intelligent foreign policy move (despite the dictatorship that limits it in other ways namely the centralized power which you think its a good thing lmaao) But this is a good read:

 

[Midas]

Saw this video come up on my YouTube feed and decided to watch it. The first thing that stuck out to me, when he talked about the geographical disadvantages of the African continent and why there hasn't been a modern great power to arise there, is that Somalia doesn't have any of the major disadvantages he listed. We're blessed with a long coastline and plenty of natural deep-water ports, two permanent rivers, one of which with the right engineering and damming could become navigable, plenty of arable land to produce a surplus, especially when you take Somaliweyn into context, and plenty of pastureland for livestock. We're conveniently positioned in one of the busiest global trade routes for easy connectivity to trade, and many of our major cities are either directly on the coast or have easy connectivity to the coast, which gives us an advantage in terms of infrastructure and logistics so imports and exports can remain relatively cheap.

All of these built-in advantages are what made the Somali peninsula one of the wealthiest, most trade-intensive regions of Africa for most of history, except for today obviously. There is really no natural or geographic reason for Somalia not to be a developed high-income country today, plenty of nations have managed with much less. A greater people, if plopped onto the land, would within a century have ensured the peninsula was up there with Germany and Japan in terms of economic wealth and global relevance.

This why the Somali people are a failed nation. All because of our failure to unite politically, to put qabil aside, and to form a centralized government instead of a bunch of clan fiefdoms, we've become the most debased and humiliated people on earth, who in social standing are among the ranks of the Congo and Palestine. Nobody respects a people who destroyed their nation and have utterly failed to unite and rebuild. It's why Somali sijuis are meek and prideless, it's why Somali Galbeed is conquered and its resources extracted and used to benefit a foreign people, it's why Djibouti is full of foreign military bases, and it's why our Western politicians are constantly insulted for their heritage and failed home nation. There is a critical mass of the Somali population that are zero-sum, anti-unity, clan fiefdom cheering, clan politics indulging, your people vs my people framing losers. Just a bunch of rats who fight in a sewer while the rest of humanity walks above them. They're unfortunately plentiful on this sub-forum, and it's why so many Somalis come on here optimistic but eventually become black-pilled, including me unfortunately.

I get where your trying to come from but the fundamental mistake is your missing several key aspects about how state building worked historically. Somalia is both incredibly large and semi arid. Outside the jubba valley basin there is essentially no large densely farmable piece of land in somalia. What ultimately sustained Somalia and made state building and other stuff viable is trade and specifically global trade

without global trade through the red sea somali kingdoms declined since we dont have the pouplation or agricultural density to sustain large states without this trade.

 

[Maintainnnin]

From the way you talk, you’d think Somalia is the only country in history that’s ever gone through political conflict, environmental crisis, or foreign interference. But post-conflict recovery isn’t that simple, no matter how many geographical advantages a nation has. Look at history: Japan was famine-stricken and devastated after WWII, Korea in the 1960s was dirt poor after its wars, China emerged from decades of civil war and foreign domination. Even much of Europe had to rebuild from ruins.

China itself was a poor country for many decades despite its vast resources, and even today it is wealthy in some parts but still poor in many others because of its size and uneven development. That didn’t stop it from eventually rising once it stabilized and invested in its future.

Interesting examples you chose for countries that faced conflict and recovered. Japan went from a closed off hermit state to an industrialized power, built their own navy, and air force, and then went on to defeat Russia in naval combat, conquered much of Asia, and only faced destruction by losing WW2 to the worlds preeminent superpower. Less than 20 years after that, it experienced explosive economic growth and eventually went on to become the worlds 2nd largest economy, with fears it would overtake America. Even today after decades of slow decline it's still the worlds 4th largest economy.

Korea gained independence pretty much at the same time Somalia did, both countries were impoverished, and yet today, only 60 years later, Korea is one of the largest, most economically complex economies in the world, with major innovative companies in leading industries such as semiconductors, automotive, and aerospace. It went from poor to rich while we were in civil war, how hilarious. Even China when it was at it's poorest, most famine stricken state, was still was able to build nuclear weapons. You cannot compare any of these countries to Somalia.

We entered our civil war because Ethiopian-backed clan militias overthrew the government, couldn't come to a compromise, and instead decided to chimp out. We didn't get nuked, or lose a war to a superpower, we plunged ourselves into chaos. Everything that came after in terms of foreign interference, invasion, the installment of a puppet government, was a consequence of that. We were deliberately given an intentionally weak government with an incomplete constitution, that was nepotistic, and institutionally ineffective, because our enemies knew that Somalis are so low-IQ they would quibble amongst themselves and stoop to the lowest level of caveman tribalism. Just look through the politics forum, no actual intelligent discussion happens here, just clan fiefdom nationalism, and cult of personality worship. No amount of hopium will this.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

What a stupid thing to say. The circle of responsibility does not end there. If that was the case then islam wouldn’t be a global religion.

did I not say one is born a Muslim? ofc they have a duty of respect and care for their fellow Muslims. Also this is in a Somali context, idk what you’ve inferred from this but you clearly haven’t understood what I’ve wrote.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

We're dealing with a stone age people who have a hunter-gatherer mentality, unable to think beyond their clan. This is what sub-sub clan marriages has got us, a bunch of inbred, low-iq, backward, reer baadiyo people who don't have the mental capacity to even envision what a unified Somali nation looks like, or the potential it could achieve, forget a greater Muslim Ummah. For them everything stops at the clan fiefdom. Fragmentation, weakness, and global irrelevance are the future they want, a bunch of Arab emirate-like statelets, but without the wealth.

I have nothing against dreamers, but I’m a man of the present reality. Somalia cannot and will not happen. Otherwise it’s the end of the Somali race.

 

[Midas]

conflict and recovered. Japan went from a closed off hermit state to an industrialized power, built their own navy, and air force, and then went on to defeat Russia in naval combat, conquered much of Asia, and only faced destruction by losing WW2 to the worlds preeminent superpower. Less than 20 years after that, it experienced explosive economic growth and eventually went on to become the worlds 2nd largest economy, with fears it would overtake America. Even today after decades of slow decline it's still the worlds 4th largest economy.

Korea gained independence pretty much at the same time Somalia did, both countries were impoverished, and yet today, only 60 years later, Korea is one of the largest, most economically complex economies in the world, with major innovative companies in leading industries such as semiconductors, automotive, and aerospace. It went from poor to rich while we were in civil war, how hilarious. Even China when it was at it's poorest, most famine stricken state, was still was able to build nuclear weapons. You cannot compare any of these countries to Somalia.

Japan wasnt actually a hermit state in the sense your thinking . Tokyo was literally the largest city in the world in the 1600s. Japan was by the time the eruoepans arrived one of the most advanced urban economies in the world with a high literacy.

Korea was also not some random poor country but had been ruled by the joseon dynasty for over 600 years and then was colonized by Japan who built out an industrial state and gave a modern education to the already well educated Korean elite. These dudes rhen recived tens of billions of dollars from the u.s so they could get industrialize and not be invaded by north Korea.

 

[Maintainnnin]

Japan wasnt actually a hermit state in the sense your thinking . Tokyo was literally the largest city in the world in the 1600s. Japan was by the time the eruoepans arrived one of the most advanced urban economies in the world with a high literacy.

Korea was also not some random poor country but had been ruled by the joseon dynasty for over 600 years and then was colonized by Japan who built out an industrial state and gave a modern education to the already well educated Korean elite. These dudes rhen recived tens of billions of dollars from the u.s so they could get industrialize and not be invaded by north Korea.

They took the billions and were smart enough to industrialize and build one of the worlds largest, most innovative economies. Look at all the Arab states that get billions from America like Egypt or the Saudis that are drowning in billions from oil money. There's not a single advanced high income Muslim country to show for it.

None of these technicalities can justify why Somalia is a paper state TODAY, and why the FGS has no real control over Somaliland, Puntland, or Jubaland. They can't even print money and run a central bank properly, can you tell me what the central bank of Somalia's interest rate is right now? There isn't one. Paper country and paper government that can't even defeat a ragtag terrorist militia, that's institutionally set up on clan nepotism, that needs thousands of foreign troops present from hostile countries, and billions in foreign money to stay afloat. Somalis are really the lowest of the low politically, we got a fucking Ugandans protecting the president, Ethiopians and Kenyans xooging us, any country can fly over our airspace and we can do nothing about it. Even when other countries are in civil war they're not that helpless, look at the Houthis of Yemen. We're truly and one of the most humiliated and honorless people.

 

[Idilinaa]

Interesting examples you chose for countries that faced conflict and recovered. Japan went from a closed off hermit state to an industrialized power, built their own navy, and air force, and then went on to defeat Russia in naval combat, conquered much of Asia, and only faced destruction by losing WW2 to the worlds preeminent superpower. Less than 20 years after that, it experienced explosive economic growth and eventually went on to become the worlds 2nd largest economy, with fears it would overtake America. Even today after decades of slow decline it's still the worlds 4th largest economy.

Japan was a feudal, poverty stricken country, constantly plagued by famines that killed hundreds of thousands annually, and torn apart by endless internal wars.

Meanwhile, during that same medieval period, Somalia was thriving , food was abundant, famine was rare, and the Somali coast and interior were part of a vibrant global hub of trade and industry. Dozens of towns flourished, sustained by cooperation and commerce.

Japan only became a “hermit kingdom” after its encounter with the Portuguese and other Europeans, who flooded it with books, technologies, and gifts , even as they tried to spread Christianity and shipped Japanese slaves to Europe.

You know what the Portuguese did when they reached Somalia? They attacked. They allied with our enemies, propped up Ethiopia, and together with other Europeans wrecked Indian Ocean trade with piracy. They didn’t bring us technologies or gifts; they brought destruction. Somalia had to recover from that devastation while also facing inland invasions. And just when recovery began in the 19th century, our towns and trade were again dismantled by Europeans bent on occupying the region and controlling its economy.

Now compare that to Japan’s experience: in the 19th century, the U.S. forced open the “hermit kingdom” not with destruction, but with trade, modernization, and massive transfers of technology. Starting mid-century, the U.S. actively helped Japan modernize its military, communications, and transport infrastructure.

Starting in the mid-19th century, the U.S. played a pivotal role in opening Japan to the West, facilitating the transfer of modern military technologies, communication systems, and transportation infrastructure that helped modernize the nation.

And after WWII? They didn’t punish Japan the way Europe punished Africa/Somalia. They spoon-fed Japan $15.2 billion in aid between 1946–1952, directly rebuilding its infrastructure, economy, and state as part of the Marshall Plan.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/u/us-occupation-assistance-iraq-germany-japan-compared.html

So the idea that Japan “did it all on its own” is pure fantasy. They were heavily backed, protected, and rebuilt by the U.S. and the West.

Maybe if you actually read history instead of regurgitating Twitter threads and YouTube clips, you’d know that.

Korea gained independence pretty much at the same time Somalia did, both countries were impoverished, and yet today, only 60 years later, Korea is one of the largest, most economically complex economies in the world, with major innovative companies in leading industries such as semiconductors, automotive, and aerospace. It went from poor to rich while we were in civil war, how hilarious. Even China when it was at it's poorest, most famine stricken state, was still was able to build nuclear weapons. You cannot compare any of these countries to Somalia.

We entered our civil war because Ethiopian-backed clan militias overthrew the government and couldn't come to a compromise and instead decided to chimp out. We didn't get nuked, or lose a war to a superpower, we plunged ourselves into chaos. Everything that came after in terms of foreign interference, invasion, the installment of a puppet government, was a consequence of that. We were deliberately given an intentionally weak government with an incomplete constitution, that was nepotistic, and institutionally ineffective, because our enemies knew that Somalis are so low-IQ they would quibble amongst themselves and stoop to the lowest level of caveman tribalism. Just look through the politics forum, no actual intelligent discussion happens here, just clan fiefdom nationalism, and cult of personality worship. No amount of hopium will this.

When Korea gained independence, it was spoon-fed billions in aid to rebuild , $13 billion between 1946 and 1976, more than all of Latin America combined during that same period:

https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/an-unpromising-recovery-south-koreas-post-korean-war-economic-development-1953-1961/#:~:text=From%201946%20to%201976%2C%20the,billion%20for%20all%20Latin%20America.

Somalia never received a fraction of that when it gained independence in 1960. Instead, Somalis inherited a famished, underdeveloped economy that Europeans had deliberately neglected. On top of that, multinational companies controlled most of the export revenues and finance, siphoning profits abroad and blocking investment in other sectors.

Meanwhile, Korea went through multiple coups, assassinations, and regime changes, but during that entire period it faced ''zero'' hostile foreign intervention. Somalia, on the other hand, had the exact opposite experience:

• Achievements in the 1970s/80s were made while facing a hostile, expansionist neighbor.
• No real allies , even the Soviets sided with Ethiopia after Somalis refused to compromise on their religion.
• Constant pressure from foreign-funded proxies.
• Severe environmental crises.

And despite all of that, Somalia still built one of the fastest growing economies in Africa at the time. That was nothing short of remarkable. Korea would have been torn to pieces under that level of pressure. The fact that Somalia survived and advanced through it shows not “low IQ,” but resilience and resourcefulness.

As for China much like India when they were at their poorest, both were spoon-fed advanced technology and benefited from European-educated elites who brought back knowledge in nuclear science, engineering, and industry. Somalia never received anything close to that kind of investment, training, or technology transfer.

Instead, Somalis were seen as “enemy Mohamedenians,” encircled by hostile Christian neighbors who consistently invited in foreign powers to ally against us for ideological and strategic reasons. Somalia was isolated and targeted, yet still managed to achieve impressive development during its short window of stability.

Even after 1991, with the collapse of the state, Somalis had only one true safety net: the diaspora. The same was true in the 1980s, when inflation hit due to the costs created by Mengistu’s displacement campaigns. It was Somali diaspora remittances, investments, and entrepreneurship that sustained the private sector and allowed it to grow.


So yes, when you strip away the propaganda, what Somalia has managed to achieve under those conditions is actually amazing. Unlike Korea, China, or Japan, Somalis had no allies funneling billions, no handouts of technology, no international safety net. We survived because of our own people, our own networks, and our own resilience.

 

[Midas]

They took the billions and were smart enough to industrialize and build one of the worlds largest, most innovative economies. Look at all the Arab states that get billions from America like Egypt or the Saudis that are drowning in billions from oil money. There's not a single advanced high income Muslim country to show for it.

None of these technicalities can justify why Somalia is a paper state TODAY, and why the FGS has no real control over Somaliland, Puntland, or Jubaland. They can't even print money and run a central bank properly, can you tell me what the central bank of Somalia's interest rate is right now? There isn't one. Paper country and paper government that can't even defeat a ragtag terrorist militia, that's institutionally set up on clan nepotism, that needs thousands of foreign troops present from hostile countries, and billions in foreign money to stay afloat. Somalis are really the lowest of the low politically, we got a fucking Ugandans protecting the president, Ethiopians and Kenyans xooging us, any country can fly over our airspace and we can do nothing about it. Even when other countries are in civil war they're not that helpless, look at the Houthis of Yemen. We're truly and one of the most humiliated and honorless people.

I dont know why your having a mental breakdown today . Your calling structural features and the reality that countries that were powerful hundreds of years ago ( china and south korea)
are also still powerful today "technicalities"

 

[Jaffar]

We're dealing with a stone age people who have a hunter-gatherer mentality, unable to think beyond their clan. This is what sub-sub clan marriages has got us, a bunch of inbred, low-iq, backward, reer baadiyo people who don't have the mental capacity to even envision what a unified Somali nation looks like, or the potential it could achieve, forget a greater Muslim Ummah. For them everything stops at the clan fiefdom. Fragmentation, weakness, and global irrelevance are the future they want, a bunch of Arab emirate-like statelets, but without the wealth.

Just because one people are of the same ethnic group doesn’t mean they necessary a nation state it takes centuries for a nation to develop a cohesive national identity for Somalis clan identity is everything claiming just a somali identity isn’t enough we have a town such as galkacyo divided into two administration. U need to build a mythology for example the Eritrean people they started their history with the axumite history waxay ku xigsiinaya the bahri negash kingdom those these kingdoms didn’t only include Eritrean lands of today . Waxay ku xigsinaya italian colononialism This nationhood mythodlogy needs to establish siyad barre attempted this with adal and axmed guray laakin qiiso. Qoran oo somali iska dhex wada arkan wa in la abuuura

 

[Idilinaa]

I dont know why your having a mental breakdown today . Your calling structural features and the reality that countries that were powerful hundreds of years ago ( china and south korea)
are also still powerful today "technicalities"

They clearly have mental health issues and an identity crisis, hopping from burner account to burner account to lash out, all while pretending to have any genuine interest in Somalia.

Listening to them talk about Somalis or Somalia, they almost sound like someone with a dissociative disorder.

They took the billions and were smart enough to industrialize and build one of the worlds largest, most innovative economies. Look at all the Arab states that get billions from America like Egypt or the Saudis that are drowning in billions from oil money. There's not a single advanced high income Muslim country to show for it.

None of these technicalities can justify why Somalia is a paper state TODAY, and why the FGS has no real control over Somaliland, Puntland, or Jubaland. They can't even print money and run a central bank properly, can you tell me what the central bank of Somalia's interest rate is right now? There isn't one. Paper country and paper government that can't even defeat a ragtag terrorist militia, that's institutionally set up on clan nepotism, that needs thousands of foreign troops present from hostile countries, and billions in foreign money to stay afloat. Somalis are really the lowest of the low politically, we got a fucking Ugandans protecting the president, Ethiopians and Kenyans xooging us, any country can fly over our airspace and we can do nothing about it. Even when other countries are in civil war they're not that helpless, look at the Houthis of Yemen. We're truly and one of the most humiliated and honorless people.

When has Somalia ever received billions on the same scale as China, Japan, or Korea? Or the same level of technology transfers and training? You’re talking nonsense.

China, for example, received tens of billions ,50 billion annually from companies like Apple directly to the Chinese Govt, trained millions of engineers, and gained massive technology transfers , all while exploiting a huge labor pool under horrific conditions for minimal pay. And you think China somehow did all of this on its own? Newsflash: it didn’t. Also, China and Taiwan still have low wages because income depends on market structures, not just state capacity.

Now, when Turkey provides Somalia with similar assistance or military/technical support, people immediately freak out , calling Somalia a colony or claiming it “needs foreign troops.” Meanwhile, Kenya, Japan, Korea, and dozens of other countries have foreign military bases stationed on their soil, yet no one cries about them. Double standards much?

As for comparing Somalia to Arab nations , that’s irrelevant. Somalia is not an Arab country, and its society, economy, and governance are nothing like theirs. Historically, when Somalia received foreign funding, it directed it toward industry and infrastructure, building factories and economic capacity. Today, Somalia has a thriving telecom and fintech sector, invests diaspora funds into innovation, and is even building AI data centers, ICT facilities, and space stations.

The claim of “outright clan nepotism” is exaggerated. FGS control over Somaliland, Puntland, or Jubbaland isn’t about weakness , it’s federalism in action. Regional states compete economically and politically, which is healthy and encourages cooperation over time. No region is in outright conflict with another.

Printing money isn’t a failure of the FGS either. After the collapse, Somalia was flooded with counterfeit currency. Reintroducing a new, trusted currency requires careful timing, management, and debt restructuring. The Central Bank is functional: it regulates financial institutions, holds foreign and gold reserves, and plans to fully reintroduce the national currency next year.

As for security, Ugandans do not protect Hassan Sheikh Mohamud. His protection comes from private security companies and federal forces. Other regions have their own forces or private security arrangements.'

Claiming Somalia “can’t defeat a ragtag militia” like Al-Shabaab is nonsense. That’s like calling Britain a “paper state” because it couldn’t quickly eliminate the IRA, or Sri Lanka a “paper government” for spending 26 years fighting the Tamil Tigers. Guerrilla insurgencies are notoriously difficult for conventional armies to counter. Just look at Ethiopia , their army was easily pushed back by ragtag youth militias the last time they tried to invade Somalia.

Ethiopia and Kenya? They can’t militarily control Somalia beyond a few kilometers from their borders. Kenyan forces often retreat when facing Al-Shabaab, and Jubbaland forces freely operate in NFD. Ethiopia can’t even project military authority a few kilometers outside Addis, and every regional state in the country has its own paramilitary. Claiming otherwise is delusional.

 

[cunug3aad]

Egypt is basically being paid to be a us colony and is stuck in a perpetual state of almost dhagaxtuur but no dhagax to tuur they have no progress their economy is 0 all the buildings in their capital city are unfinished exterior to cut tax and the president / military dictator literally moved the adninistrive capital hundrrd miles into the desert solely so he does nt get overthrown for being masochist slave to usa. I would actually prefer living in somalia

 

[TheSayid]

foreign intervention is one the main reasons, cant unite when whenever you do you get invaded, theres many groups who pushed for it.

 

[Vacelere]

Why Somalia is failed states question is simple to answer.

You must understand that this is the first unification of somali people (majority at least) under one state since Allah created us.

People must understand that because we can't compare ourselves to other absolute one ethnicities nations like Korea and Japan or Saudi Arabia etc.

These people have a common history and period of time they were one nation that they could look back at it for inspiration, we don't have that, that why whoever will unite current state of Somalia will be the greatest person among us throughout history.

We are literally a infant nation.

 

[Idilinaa]

Why Somalia is failed states question is simple to answer.

You must understand that this is the first unification of somali people (majority at least) under one state since Allah created us.

People must understand that because we can't compare ourselves to other absolute one ethnicities nations like Korea and Japan or Saudi Arabia etc.

These people have a common history and period of time they were one nation that they could look back at it for inspiration, we don't have that, that why whoever will unite current state of Somalia will be the greatest person among us throughout history.

We are literally a infant nation.

Modern nation states are artificial creations. Most were built through violent subjugation, homogenization, and even ethnic cleansing. Japan, Korea, and much of Europe were once fragmented into feudal fiefdoms constantly hostile to one another. Even France, for example, was linguistically and ethnically diverse before being forced into a single identity.

Saudi Arabia itself only emerged through brutal massacres and tribal subjugation backed by the British, and it survives today under American military protection.

Somalia, on the other hand, became a common people organically , through trade, intermingling, and integration. You can’t unite Somalis by force. The path forward has always been through regional cooperation and integration.

Somalia never failed btw, it evolved. Failed state is simply an international pejorative to justify foreign intervention.

Egypt is basically being paid to be a us colony and is stuck in a perpetual state of almost dhagaxtuur but no dhagax to tuur they have no progress their economy is 0 all the buildings in their capital city are unfinished exterior to cut tax and the president / military dictator literally moved the adninistrive capital hundrrd miles into the desert solely so he does nt get overthrown for being masochist slave to usa. I would actually prefer living in somalia

This is exactly what centralization produces , yet @Maintainnnin insists Somalia’s decentralization is a problem. He mistakes forced compliance for “stability,” when in reality it’s just sustained destitution and inequality.

Almost every society that advanced did so by challenging centralized systems , through uprisings, revolutions, and workers uniting to fight oligarchies across Europe and America.

 

[Maintainnnin]

Somalia never failed btw, it evolved. Failed state is simply an international pejorative to justify foreign intervention.

Holy cope bruh, do you hear yourself?? The complete collapse of governance, which entails the complete loss of control of the country's airspace and territorial waters is just evolution. The breakaway away of Somaliland, and Puntland while the south drowned in injustice from warlords and famine. None of this is enough of a criteria to label Somalia a failed state, no it's just evolution.

This is exactly what centralization produces , yet @Maintainnnin insists Somalia’s decentralization is a problem. He mistakes forced compliance for “stability,” when in reality it’s just sustained destitution and inequality.

The system you support is one of humiliation and disgrace, where Somalia exists as an idea but not as an actual country. America has a federal government; so does Germany. Somalia does not. Let me know the day Mexico invades California to steal America’s territorial waters and stays there to plant a treasonous puppet leader who deforests the state. Let me know the day Canada signs a deal with the breakaway state of New York for port access while Washington can only offer harsh words because of its lack of territorial control. Let me know the day when the Governor of Utah goes on foreign diplomatic visits to meet world leaders and signs unilateral trade and economic cooperation deals without Washington’s involvement.

No amount of sugarcoating or denialism can paint over the shameful state of Somalia or the failure of its people. You can continue to advocate for the “decentralized” status quo and be looked down upon, pitied, and viewed as lesser humans, walking the earth as honorless people without dignity, whose homeland is the poster child of failure, poverty, and anarchy, and whose people are seen as the gypsies of the world.

 

[Zak12]

No amount of sugarcoating or denialism can paint over the shameful state of Somalia or the failure of its people. You can continue to advocate for the “decentralized” status quo and be looked down upon, pitied, and viewed as lesser humans, walking the earth as honorless people without dignity, whose homeland is the poster child of failure, poverty, and anarchy, and whose people are seen as the gypsies of the world.

Dude go outside. Literally no one thinks of Somalis as lesser humans or whatever other racist garbage you believe is real. That only exists in social media echo chambers. The average person doesn't think negatively of Somalis at all because we don't have a huge presence anywhere outside of East Africa.

Somali Americans proudly display their identity via cultural meetings, opening Somali businesses and the creation of little Mogadishu in certain areas. Do they get attacked at all? Of course not so equating Somalis to Gypsies, a group that literally gets discriminated against heavily, is utter nonsense and doesn't fit in whatever reality you are in.

 

[Zak12]

Gypsies faced actual systematic discrimination and were straight up were hunted down and killed at times in Europe yet Somalis somehow are on that same level??

Anti-Romani sentiment - Wikipedia

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Romani people are stereotyped to be cheerful and musical migratory fortune-tellers, beggars and petty thieves who practice theft, black magic, fraud and prostitution. Romani people were persecuted, hanged and burned in Europe for centuries. Romani people are considered one of the most discriminated-against minorities and the most despised ethnic groups in the world

 

[Maintainnnin]

Dude go outside. Literally no one thinks of Somalis as lesser humans or whatever other racist garbage you believe is real. That only exists in social media echo chambers. The average person doesn't think negatively of Somalis at all because we don't have a huge presence anywhere outside of East Africa.

Somali Americans proudly display their identity via cultural meetings, opening Somali businesses and the creation of little Mogadishu in certain areas. Do they get attacked at all? Of course not so equating Somalis to Gypsies, a group that literally gets discriminated against heavily, is utter nonsense and doesn't fit in whatever reality you are in.

Let me show you something that perfectly encapsulates the mental and social primitiveness of Somalis. Below is an individual who recounts his experience being heavily discriminated against in his native lands of Kenya, and being denied an ID card purely because of his identity as a Somali, while the same Kenyan Government gave Indians theirs without hassle.



What if I told you that same individual is anti-central government and pro-clan fiefdom for Somalia? What if I told you that same individual is a loyal supporter of Ahmed Madobe purely out of qabil faan and Ogadenimo? A Somali who is treated like a stateless langaab in his native lands in Kenya uncritically supports one of the most corrupt, treasonous, environmentally destructive people in Somalia purely out of clannishness.



This is the problem with Somalis, this is why they're a failed people with a failed state, they support nepotism and corruption over competence and transparency, they support fragmentation and weakness over unity and strength. As the saying goes, and I'll repeat it, Allah(ﷻ) does not change the condition of a people until they change what's within their hearts. After almost 40 years of civil war, state collapse, famine, invasion, and puppet governments, the zero-sum clan politics still continues.

 

[Jaffar]

Let me show you something that perfectly encapsulates the mental and social primitiveness of Somalis. Below is an individual who recounts his experience being heavily discriminated against in his native lands of Kenya, and being denied an ID card purely because of his identity as a Somali, while the same Kenyan Government gave Indians theirs without hassle.



What if I told you that same individual is anti-central government and pro-clan fiefdom for Somalia? What if I told you that same individual is a loyal supporter of Ahmed Madobe purely out of qabil faan and Ogadenimo? A Somali who is treated like a stateless langaab in his native lands in Kenya uncritically supports one of the most corrupt, treasonous, environmentally destructive people in Somalia purely out of clannishness.



This is the problem with Somalis, this is why they're a failed people with a failed state, they support nepotism and corruption over competence and transparency, they support fragmentation and weakness over unity and strength. As the saying goes, and I'll repeat it, Allah(ﷻ) does not change the condition of a people until they change what's within their hearts. After almost 40 years of civil war, state collapse, famine, invasion, and puppet governments, the zero-sum clan politics still continues.

So u want an ogaden man from kenya and ethiopia to support a hawiye man hiding inside an ugandan tank

why do you look so upset if he supports his own kin , why do you think an abgaal supports hassan sheikh mahamoud