Why the Somali people are a failed nation.

[Maintainnnin]

Saw this video come up on my YouTube feed and decided to watch it. The first thing that stuck out to me, when he talked about the geographical disadvantages of the African continent and why there hasn't been a modern great power to arise there, is that Somalia doesn't have any of the major disadvantages he listed. We're blessed with a long coastline and plenty of natural deep-water ports, two permanent rivers, one of which with the right engineering and damming could become navigable, plenty of arable land to produce a surplus, especially when you take Somaliweyn into context, and plenty of pastureland for livestock. We're conveniently positioned in one of the busiest global trade routes for easy connectivity to trade, and many of our major cities are either directly on the coast or have easy connectivity to the coast, which gives us an advantage in terms of infrastructure and logistics so imports and exports can remain relatively cheap.

All of these built-in advantages are what made the Somali peninsula one of the wealthiest, most trade-intensive regions of Africa for most of history, except for today obviously. There is really no natural or geographic reason for Somalia not to be a developed high-income country today, plenty of nations have managed with much less. A greater people, if plopped onto the land, would within a century have ensured the peninsula was up there with Germany and Japan in terms of economic wealth and global relevance.

This why the Somali people are a failed nation. All because of our failure to unite politically, to put qabil aside, and to form a centralized government instead of a bunch of clan fiefdoms, we've become the most debased and humiliated people on earth, who in social standing are among the ranks of the Congo and Palestine. Nobody respects a people who destroyed their nation and have utterly failed to unite and rebuild. It's why Somali sijuis are meek and prideless, it's why Somali Galbeed is conquered and its resources extracted and used to benefit a foreign people, it's why Djibouti is full of foreign military bases, and it's why our Western politicians are constantly insulted for their heritage and failed home nation. There is a critical mass of the Somali population that are zero-sum, anti-unity, clan fiefdom cheering, clan politics indulging, your people vs my people framing losers. Just a bunch of rats who fight in a sewer while the rest of humanity walks above them. They're unfortunately plentiful on this sub-forum, and it's why so many Somalis come on here optimistic but eventually become black-pilled, including me unfortunately.

 

[moosaid]

There is one reason and that is the qabiil
The rest of the Africans have different races, languages, religions, sects and cultures
This is the cause of the conflict.
But Somalis do not have a central government and they do not want one. They see it as gumaysi And they are right because politicians are hypocrites. And they use Somalinimo Until they reach their goals

 

[Zak12]

I think you are being a little dramatic. While its true that Somalia has struggled with stability for the past decades, the lack of centralization doesn't mean Somalia is a "failed" nation. If anything, the fact that it is able to rebound despite going through nearly every possible disaster a civilization can have is a pretty remarkable thing and now the stage has been set for Somalia to fully recover for good.

 

[Testo 21]

Because we are weak, you lose wisdom

 

[Zak12]

Btw, whatever disadvantages the rest of Africa has only really mattered from a historical perspective. Today those disadvantages could easily be overcome with modern technology and good governance yet today we see many African countries struggle with poverty and lack of infrastructure despite getting billions in aid. Countries like Norway and Japan had very poor geography (lack of arable land, little resources) but overcame it with human capital and industrialization.

 

[Maintainnnin]

I think you are being a little dramatic. While its true that Somalia has struggled with stability for the past decades, the lack of centralization doesn't mean Somalia is a "failed" nation. If anything, the fact that it is able to rebound despite going through nearly every possible disaster a civilization can have is a pretty remarkable thing and now the stage has been set for Somalia to fully recover for good.

The lack of centralization and clan fiefdom fragmentation is not what made me lose hope; it was the number of clannish, reer-baadiyo, backward hick Somalis who advocate for the current divisive 4.5 government framework. This jaahil, anti-meritocracy, anti-competence, low-IQ, inbred mass of Somali people who glorify their clan fiefdoms is what made me lose hope.

Our problem is that Somalis are a people with astonishingly low human capital, unable to see how their mentality and politics actively cause their current debased and humiliated standing on the world stage. Somehow, countries like Tanzania and Kenya, made up of multiple ethnicities, can build sustainable centralized states, but a people who share ancestry, language, culture, and religion cannot. Like I said, a greater people placed on the same landmass would have made it one of the most powerful and wealthiest regions on earth, but the land was cursed with Somalis.

 

[Zak12]

; it was the number of clannish, reer-baadiyo, backward hick Somalis who advocate for the current divisive 4.5 government framework.

There aren't that many Somalis that unironically think 4.5 is a good system. And Galbeed is proof of that because its the most qabil diverse area after Somalia but there is hardly any clannish behavior happening there.

Somehow, countries like Tanzania and Kenya, made up of multiple ethnicities, can build sustainable centralized states

Because their governments weren't imposed and funded by America

 

[Maintainnnin]

There aren't that many Somalis that unironically think 4.5 is a good system. And Galbeed is proof of that because its the most qabil diverse area after Somalia but there is hardly any clannish behavior happening there.

There are accounts on twitter right now that routinely get hundreds, sometimes thousands of likes, doing fkd and airing our dirty laundry like it's not a public platform. The harsh truth is the 4.5 governance system continues to exist because Somalis are too collectively primitive to set aside their differences for the greater good. Why do you think every clan unconditionally supports their most nepotistic, incompetent, and treasonous leaders. They just want to feel like they have a seat on the table no matter how detrimental it is to the nation. This is what made me lose hope, not the condition of Somalia per se, but the backwardness of Somalis. After all, Allah(ﷻ) does not change the condition of a people until they change what's within their hearts. Now ask yourself, why has Somalia suffered with civil war, famine, fragmentation, invasion, corruption, incompetence for 40 years?? It's because of the wickedness of it's people.

 

[Zak12]

There are accounts on twitter right now that routinely get hundreds, sometimes thousands of likes, doing fkd and airing our dirty laundry like it's not a public platform. The harsh truth is the 4.5 governance system continues to exist because Somalis are too collectively primitive to set aside their differences for the greater good. Why do you think every clan unconditionally supports their most nepotistic, incompetent, and treasonous leaders. They just want to feel like they have a seat on the table no matter how detrimental it is to the nation. This is what made me lose hope, not the condition of Somalia per se, but the backwardness of Somalis. After all, Allah(ﷻ) does not change the condition of a people until they change what's within their hearts. Now ask yourself, why has Somalia suffered with civil war, famine, fragmentation, invasion, corruption, incompetence for 40 years?? It's because of the wickedness of it's people.

Twitter had a bunch of bots and FGS doesn't actually practice democracy. Positions are picked through bribes with little input from the public.

Wait for ballots to be properly set up as FGS is transitioning to 1m1v

 

[Jaffar]

Somalis never had a central authority through out history that is why nationhood is something new for us really ask your self is Somalia about the land or is it an ethnic country

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Saw this video come up on my YouTube feed and decided to watch it. The first thing that stuck out to me, when he talked about the geographical disadvantages of the African continent and why there hasn't been a modern great power to arise there, is that Somalia doesn't have any of the major disadvantages he listed. We're blessed with a long coastline and plenty of natural deep-water ports, two permanent rivers, one of which with the right engineering and damming could become navigable, plenty of arable land to produce a surplus, especially when you take Somaliweyn into context, and plenty of pastureland for livestock. We're conveniently positioned in one of the busiest global trade routes for easy connectivity to trade, and many of our major cities are either directly on the coast or have easy connectivity to the coast, which gives us an advantage in terms of infrastructure and logistics so imports and exports can remain relatively cheap.

All of these built-in advantages are what made the Somali peninsula one of the wealthiest, most trade-intensive regions of Africa for most of history, except for today obviously. There is really no natural or geographic reason for Somalia not to be a developed high-income country today, plenty of nations have managed with much less. A greater people, if plopped onto the land, would within a century have ensured the peninsula was up there with Germany and Japan in terms of economic wealth and global relevance.

This why the Somali people are a failed nation. All because of our failure to unite politically, to put qabil aside, and to form a centralized government instead of a bunch of clan fiefdoms, we've become the most debased and humiliated people on earth, who in social standing are among the ranks of the Congo and Palestine. Nobody respects a people who destroyed their nation and have utterly failed to unite and rebuild. It's why Somali sijuis are meek and prideless, it's why Somali Galbeed is conquered and its resources extracted and used to benefit a foreign people, it's why Djibouti is full of foreign military bases, and it's why our Western politicians are constantly insulted for their heritage and failed home nation. There is a critical mass of the Somali population that are zero-sum, anti-unity, clan fiefdom cheering, clan politics indulging, your people vs my people framing losers. Just a bunch of rats who fight in a sewer while the rest of humanity walks above them. They're unfortunately plentiful on this sub-forum, and it's why so many Somalis come on here optimistic but eventually become black-pilled, including me unfortunately.

The bonds of kinship will always influence government, it is the natural order, it is the essence of somaliness, it cannot be relegated or destroyed. anyone who says otherwise is a conniving liar or uniformed. There can never be a somalia because that would lead to millions dying or fleeing.

pan somalism or somaliweyn is an alien and retarded European construct proselytised by the colonial era educated founding elite of Somalia. Let’s move past it.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Somalis never had a central authority through out history that is why nationhood is something new for us really ask your self is Somalia about the land or is it an ethnic country

Nationhood is not new, our clans are our nations. It’s ultimately a question of list of priorities at the end of the day. First and foremost one is born a Muslim, one has obligations to his family, his extended family, his kinsmen/women. And it ends there. no one has a want for a need for a unified Somali polity, it’s just a talking point not something people are striving for.

 

[Maintainnnin]

Somalis never had a central authority through out history that is why nationhood is something new for us really ask your self is Somalia about the land or is it an ethnic country

The Germans were never a nation until they unified and created the German empire in 1871, Italy became a country in 1861, before that the Italian peninsula consisted of various city-states and territories since the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Kenya was a colonial creation that didn't exist as a state before it's independence in 1963. Nationalism and Nationhood are relatively new concepts, even in Europe. You don’t need historical precedent to justify why Somalis are unable to unite; it has more to do with the jaahil, primitive clannishness and backward mentality prevalent among the people. Somalis don't belong in the 21st century, they belong in 5th millennium BC.

 

[Jaffar]

That may well be true, yet one must recognise that these are Europeans of far higher pedigree than the Somalis. for instance the Germans: they twice attempted to conquer Europe, and though they failed militarily, they now preside over the continent through the institutions of the European Union. Today, Germany stands as the fourth or fifth largest economy in the world. Somalia, on the other hand , remains a failed state, its leaders reduced to begging other leaders for money his task is , speaking endlessly of which neighbouring Africa country might bolster its fragile security apparatus.



umad ilahay ma duleeyo hadanay iyagu is duleyn

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

The Germans were never a nation until they unified and created the German empire in 1871, Italy became a country in 1861, before that the Italian peninsula consisted of various city-states and territories since the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Kenya was a colonial creation that didn't exist as a state before it's independence in 1963. Nationalism and Nationhood are relatively new concepts, even in Europe. You don’t need historical precedent to justify why Somalis are unable to unite; it has more to do with the jaahil, primitive clannishness and backward mentality prevalent among the people. Somalis don't belong in the 21st century, they belong in 5th millennium BC.

Nations would rise and fall in those days.
Somalia would be taken over by Ethiopia and Kenya by now if this was 19th century Europe. European history is not Somalia future.
I dont' believe Somalia will exist as a state for much longer. I don't know much beyond that.

 

[Arkan]

Nationhood is not new, our clans are our nations. It’s ultimately a question of list of priorities at the end of the day. First and foremost one is born a Muslim, one has obligations to his family, his extended family, his kinsmen/women. And it ends there. no one has a want for a need for a unified Somali polity, it’s just a talking point not something people are striving for.

What a stupid thing to say. The circle of responsibility does not end there. If that was the case then islam wouldn’t be a global religion.

 

[Maintainnnin]

What a stupid thing to say. The circle of responsibility does not end there. If that was the case then islam wouldn’t be a global religion.

We're dealing with a stone age people who have a hunter-gatherer mentality, unable to think beyond their clan. This is what sub-sub clan marriages has got us, a bunch of inbred, low-iq, backward, reer baadiyo people who don't have the mental capacity to even envision what a unified Somali nation looks like, or the potential it could achieve, forget a greater Muslim Ummah. For them everything stops at the clan fiefdom. Fragmentation, weakness, and global irrelevance are the future they want, a bunch of Arab emirate-like statelets, but without the wealth.

 

[novanova]

The lack of centralization and clan fiefdom fragmentation is not what made me lose hope; it was the number of clannish, reer-baadiyo, backward hick Somalis who advocate for the current divisive 4.5 government framework. This jaahil, anti-meritocracy, anti-competence, low-IQ, inbred mass of Somali people who glorify their clan fiefdoms is what made me lose hope.

Our problem is that Somalis are a people with astonishingly low human capital, unable to see how their mentality and politics actively cause their current debased and humiliated standing on the world stage. Somehow, countries like Tanzania and Kenya, made up of multiple ethnicities, can build sustainable centralized states, but a people who share ancestry, language, culture, and religion cannot. Like I said, a greater people placed on the same landmass would have made it one of the most powerful and wealthiest regions on earth, but the land was cursed with Somalis.

hmmmm, sustainable ?

Are you blaming culture for our current state? our current state is temporary and I highly doubt another people would do better on this land as they too would’ve developed the same culture as us due to the arid/semi-arid environment.. our culture is just an adaption to ecology.

Also our current state was more shaped by global geopolitics than cultural flaws 🫣, I genuinely think somalis did ok considering the circumstances

 

[NawafAS11]

This post is serious flirting vs harassment, suprised you haven’t been called an Ethiopian.

I don’t disagree with anything you said however.

 

[Idilinaa]

I can tell you left your "Father" burner account in that Kenyan thread just so you could come back here, rage, rant, and spam more insults at Somalis. It’s like a part-time hobby for some of you. Honestly, it’s starting to look like most of you on this site are part of some unspoken little club (probably on Discord plotting), and what you all really need is therapy. Fixating on Somalia, running around social media like deranged people, won’t solve whatever identity crisis or grudges you’re holding onto. All it does is make you spiral further.

From the way you talk, you’d think Somalia is the only country in history that’s ever gone through political conflict, environmental crisis, or foreign interference. But post-conflict recovery isn’t that simple, no matter how many geographical advantages a nation has. Look at history: Japan was famine-stricken and devastated after WWII, Korea in the 1960s was dirt poor after its wars, China emerged from decades of civil war and foreign domination. Even much of Europe had to rebuild from ruins.

China itself was a poor country for many decades despite its vast resources, and even today it is wealthy in some parts but still poor in many others because of its size and uneven development. That didn’t stop it from eventually rising once it stabilized and invested in its future.

Somalia is no different. The difference is that, unlike many countries that suffered from setbacks, Somalia has already begun to emerge from it and enter economic recovery and state-building. If you compare 2025 with 2012, the progress is tremendous across every sector. Compare Somalia and Ogaden to any post-conflict country, and you’ll see the pace of recovery has been nothing short of dramatic. Economists are often surprised when the numbers are laid out.

You also said it should be''high income'', but don't even realize how rapidly its grown. Since recovery began in 2012, household and sectoral incomes have been rising sharply. Between 2013–2018, for example a Fisherman's income alone rose by 300%, and after 2018 it increased tenfold for many. That’s the reality on the ground, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

And I don’t think you needed a YouTube video to “discover” what I’ve been pointing out for months. The pinned thread I made long ago outlined Somalia’s geographical advantages in detail

Somalia's Historical Geographical Advantages over Sub-Saharan Africa: (Summary) Part 1

I was asked to make this one last thread that i had planned, before i exit. I shared this video to @Midas in another thread, but then i came to realize that many of the setbacks and geographical disadvantages underscored in this video for Sub-Saharan Africa does not apply to Somalia at all...

www.somalispot.com

It’s almost like an indirect aimed at me, since I made that thread precisely to counter the false narratives some users here weaponize about Somali geography being “bad” or “cursed.” But ironically, instead of acknowledging it, you’ve gone full circle and are now trying to weaponize Somalia’s advantages to push the “failed” narrative lmaao. Y’all never rest , always scoping out new angles just to conjure up derision.

The fact is, we’ve always benefited from our geographical advantages, we’re benefiting from them now, and we’ll benefit even more in the future