Why do successful somalis...

[london10]

Those "successful" Somalis with "good" jobs who abandon their community are not good people to associate with. I have an uncle like this and he never wanted to visit us with his kids and we live in the same city. He only sees us when a relative comes over from another country and he only does that so there is no suspicion that the local families are distant. As soon as he got a high paying job, he moved in a white area with his kids. The kids have white, Pakistani and other immigrant friends but no Somali friends. His wife has a sister as well in another city and they visit that family but she doesn't let her kids visit their other maternal cousins because they live in council housing. There is definently a class clash going on. We are losing our culture and decency. They act like we will be a bad influence on their kids. That is very unlslamic. They are just middle class and we are treated like an enemy. My father recently told me why we don't see them and only told me because I kept asking why we are not close with them. He will only invite his own brother for lunch, never to his house because he thinks me and my brothers will be coming over to influence them in a negative way. We are Allah fearing good offspring but just because we are living not as well we are rubbish

Nacas waaye adeerkaa. Disown the idiot

 

[Wardheere]

Those "successful" Somalis with "good" jobs who abandon their community are not good people to associate with. I have an uncle like this and he never wanted to visit us with his kids and we live in the same city. He only sees us when a relative comes over from another country and he only does that so there is no suspicion that the local families are distant. As soon as he got a high paying job, he moved in a white area with his kids. The kids have white, Pakistani and other immigrant friends but no Somali friends. His wife has a sister as well in another city and they visit that family but she doesn't let her kids visit their other maternal cousins because they live in council housing. There is definently a class clash going on. We are losing our culture and decency. They act like we will be a bad influence on their kids. That is very unlslamic. They are just middle class and we are treated like an enemy. My father recently told me why we don't see them and only told me because I kept asking why we are not close with them. He will only invite his own brother for lunch, never to his house because he thinks me and my brothers will be coming over to influence them in a negative way. We are Allah fearing good offspring but just because we are living not as well we are rubbish

Whoever cuts the Rixm is in trouble in the day of jidgement

 

[FendiFanatic]

Hey sxb,

I know plenty of successful somalis who are active in the community. Doctors, nurses, lawyers, politicians, engineers etc.

Those who are not proud of their identity and make the conscious decision to distance themselves from the community probably have their reasons but I would always suggest never to generalize because of bad experience. Everyone is not the same, we are as diverse as any other community.

Smart man right here!

 

[WarsameXamse]

Bail out of the somali community, its like they dont want anything to do with it.
Same way successfull AA disassociate with their community.
Tbh i can understand why they wouldn't as @zeinap83 said yesterday there is big similarity between AA community and somali community, both are to some extent ratchet.
Even though i love the somalis and the community we cant ignore the fact that we do have a lot of xaasidnimo, backstabbing, gossiping, and slandering in our community.
I wouldn't want my kids to be raised among diaspora somalis tbh, sad , but we do have a lot of toxic in our community.

I TRULY BELIEVE SOMALIS IN THE WEST WOULD HAVE BEEN THE HIGHEST EARNING AND MOST EDUCATED GROUP OF PEOPLE IF ONLY THEY SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF DEDICATIONA ND

Bail out of the somali community, its like they dont want anything to do with it.
Same way successfull AA disassociate with their community.
Tbh i can understand why they wouldn't as @zeinap83 said yesterday there is big similarity between AA community and somali community, both are to some extent ratchet.
Even though i love the somalis and the community we cant ignore the fact that we do have a lot of xaasidnimo, backstabbing, gossiping, and slandering in our community.
I wouldn't want my kids to be raised among diaspora somalis tbh, sad , but we do have a lot of toxic in our community.

WHY ARE MOST SOMALIS SOO GOOD AT QURAN AND ISLAMIC STUDIES BUT THEY ARE DUMBER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS WHEN IT COMES TO ACADEMICS

 

[WarsameXamse]

Those "successful" Somalis with "good" jobs who abandon their community are not good people to associate with. I have an uncle like this and he never wanted to visit us with his kids and we live in the same city. He only sees us when a relative comes over from another country and he only does that so there is no suspicion that the local families are distant. As soon as he got a high paying job, he moved in a white area with his kids. The kids have white, Pakistani and other immigrant friends but no Somali friends. His wife has a sister as well in another city and they visit that family but she doesn't let her kids visit their other maternal cousins because they live in council housing. There is definently a class clash going on. We are losing our culture and decency. They act like we will be a bad influence on their kids. That is very unlslamic. They are just middle class and we are treated like an enemy. My father recently told me why we don't see them and only told me because I kept asking why we are not close with them. He will only invite his own brother for lunch, never to his house because he thinks me and my brothers will be coming over to influence them in a negative way. We are Allah fearing good offspring but just because we are living not as well we are rubbish

if he is affluent then it is wise for him to associate himself with people on his level regardless of race.

. does a upper class somali have to hang out with lower class somalis for him to be practice somali culture and decency ??

 

[SOMALIKNIGHT]

if he is affluent then it is wise for him to associate himself with people on his level regardless of race.

. does a upper class somali have to hang out with lower class somalis for him to be practice somali culture and decency ??

He is my father's half brother. They have the same dad. I want to know my cousins. One is even born the same year as me. That is my right to know him. We had a good time together the last time I saw him when family came to visit from another country. Those kids would not object to be close with us.

 

[WarsameXamse]

He is my father's half brother. They have the same dad. I want to know my cousins. One is even born the same year as me. That is my right to know him. We had a good time together the last time I saw him when family came to visit from another country. Those kids would not object to be close with us.

WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL DOES HE GO TO?? IS HE MORE EDUCATED THAN YOU? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE IS FROM A AFFLUENT FAMILY

 

[Inquisitive_]

Historically the successful Somali was hailed by his tribesmen, they held great prestige, honour and privilege in their respective communities because everyone had a community (tribal) mindset that reigned supreme.

Fellow tribesmen looked up to them as a source of tribal pride, rather then with jealousy or envy which is the sort of thing you would do in a individualistic society like the west.

Hence there was no need for separation as is the case in the west were individualism reigns supreme, this sickness has gone so bad now that even two blood brothers or sisters envy the hell out of each other constantly feuding.

Hence the rich and wealthy form their own exclusive groups to avoid such sick people, he can't even trust his own siblings let alone cousins/families or the wider community.

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “None of you will have faith until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 13, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 45

 

[Shushue]

Why shouldn’t they? Why should they help ungrateful people?

 

[Shushue]

Better let people help themselves, shouldn’t be into perpetuity

 

[Sheikh]

Do y’all still think qabil will still cause issues for dispora western raised Somalis. Second generation and 3rd generation somalis and later generations. I’m interested in this. @World @Yaquub @Sheikh @Geeljire sanbuur @zeinap83 @landheer



I have assumed it won’t since I haven’t met a qabilist that was around my age. But you guys on here are making me second guess this assumption.

@Jerome in the house Fam I don't think Qabil will be a factor and cause no problems for the Diaspora Western raised Somalis.

All Somalis in the West are trying to have an Education and make money so they can go back home prepared and well stocked Educationally and Financially so they can help back home.

As for the others upcoming generations of Somali youth they will not adapt to Qabil mentality.

That's my opinion.

 

[Mercury]

Bail out of the somali community, its like they dont want anything to do with it.
Same way successfull AA disassociate with their community.
Tbh i can understand why they wouldn't as @zeinap83 said yesterday there is big similarity between AA community and somali community, both are to some extent ratchet.
Even though i love the somalis and the community we cant ignore the fact that we do have a lot of xaasidnimo, backstabbing, gossiping, and slandering in our community.
I wouldn't want my kids to be raised among diaspora somalis tbh, sad , but we do have a lot of toxic in our community.

theres somalis that Will drag a another Somali down simply due to jealousy They go to extreme lenghts

Theres even some Somali women that Will babysit their neighbours kid later on leave the house and call on child services saying the mother left the kids at home unattended

 

[WarsameXamse]

Historically the successful Somali was hailed by his tribesmen, they held great prestige, honour and privilege in their respective communities because everyone had a community (tribal) mindset that reigned supreme.

Fellow tribesmen looked up to them as a source of tribal pride, rather then with jealousy or envy which is the sort of thing you would do in a individualistic society like the west.

Hence there was no need for separation as is the case in the west were individualism reigns supreme, this sickness has gone so bad now that even two blood brothers or sisters envy the hell out of each other constantly feuding.

Hence the rich and wealthy form their own exclusive groups to avoid such sick people, he can't even trust his own siblings let alone cousins/families or the wider community.

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “None of you will have faith until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 13, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 45

TRUE, I HAVE EMBRACED INDIVIDUALISM, I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER SOMALI, I JUST CARE ABOUT ME! MY WELL BEING MY WEALTH AND SUCCESS, I DON'T CARE ABOUT SOMALIA or THE REST OF AFRICA I ALSO DON'T CARE ABOUT BLACKS, THEY COULD GET LYNCHED ALL DAY, AS LONG AS I AM A DOING GOOD THE WORLD IS BLESSED.

 

[La Xawla]

I dont only expect from successful somalis, but what i expect from all somalis is something like the jewish community, where we all pool our money, rich or poor doesnt matter.
With That money we are going to
Open all kinds of business, where that money will be benefitting the next generation of somalis, and those companys are going to employ newly graduated somalis, so we dont have to deal with discrimination regarding work. Thats actually going to be my next post.

The Jewish community was this sort of tight knit community where everyone knew each other. Somalis are not like this. Somalis also have alot of things holding them down such as the older generation not putting in effort to raise their kids properly, instead they are chasing money and the single mother epidemic. Then you have Somalis living in low income housing after living in the West for 10-20 years still no change (you can’t blame them tbh when rent is high and most don’t have any degree). Also the pressure on the kids to follow a messed up lifestyle. The Jewish community didn’t have these problems facing them (it’s true they started from the bottom, but there were also those who made a fortune back in Germany/etc. that used said money to help the community or create businesses that hire their own people).

 

[La Xawla]

I TRULY BELIEVE SOMALIS IN THE WEST WOULD HAVE BEEN THE HIGHEST EARNING AND MOST EDUCATED GROUP OF PEOPLE IF ONLY THEY SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF DEDICATIONA ND

WHY ARE MOST SOMALIS SOO GOOD AT QURAN AND ISLAMIC STUDIES BUT THEY ARE DUMBER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS WHEN IT COMES TO ACADEMICS

Because they don’t put as much effort into those subjects as they do dugsi. They should have a balance, not neglect everything. You see parents saying I don’t care if you go to school because dugsi is more important

 

[WarsameXamse]

The Jewish community was this sort of tight knit community where everyone knew each other. Somalis are not like this. Somalis also have alot of things holding them down such as the older generation not putting in effort to raise their kids properly, instead they are chasing money and the single mother epidemic. Then you have Somalis living in low income housing after living in the West for 10-20 years still no change (you can’t blame them tbh when rent is high and most don’t have any degree). Also the pressure on the kids to follow a messed up lifestyle. The Jewish community didn’t have these problems facing them (it’s true they started from the bottom, but there were also those who made a fortune back in Germany/etc. that used said money to help the community or create businesses that hire their own people).

HUH SOMALI ELDERS ARE NOT "chasing money" AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM, THEY LIVE ON WELFARE, MOST OF THEM. NOT ALL