Why do Somali's go against nationalism and opt for islamism and qabilism instead?

[Farabuuto]

What nationalism? Somalia is product of European colonists. We had nothing to with each other prior to thier arrival marka there is no shared history.

Thank you. Some people made up this fantasy that Somalia was all united and flowery n shiet. Turth is we never had anything to do with each other and always fought wars. The only time some clans fought together was when Imam Ahmad FORCED them to go on jihad. It was a struggle just to collect Somalis.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Welcome to reality. We have these problems because Somalia was never meant ot be a country and was never united before the modern state was created. It was just created to keep Ethiopian expansion at bay and spread communism/socialism.

You forced clans and tribes that have been warring each other for centuries to come together just because they speak the same language and have similar culture.

Also, some lineages and clans are just bullshyt and elders corrupted their lineages. A harti Darod will always be an outcast among actual Somalis. They don’t even descend from irir samale but Harla/Hararis that got assimilated, it's even in the name ffs.

Niggas love bringing up "we wuz together in Adal" no nigga we weren't. Somali clans were literally chased by the Imam and forced to join *****, they never liked each other. If Adal didn't have the Ethiopian threat they would've rained down on Ajuuran and taken their lands. 100%.

No such thing as "Somaliweyn" or "Somalinimo" in reality. Clans allying themselves with Oromo and joining them, helping other clans to take over another's village, discrimination against langaabs. Shambles.

hartis being harari?nigga hartis were fighting with ahmed gurey in the adal period what are you smoking?
and how would creating somalia keep communism at bay if ethiopia was christian empire at that time?
waaqo how many account to you need to before you leave for good?
you won't convince anyone of your butchered understanding of east african history nor will anyone think differently about the artificial nation that was on build slavery and occupation backed by european kingdoms.
.
also stop using ancient harari people to steal somali history it's embarrassing, we somalis have nothing but respect and love for or harari muslims brethren who are being displaced by oromo amhara squatters.

 

[Farabuuto]

our nationalism will strengthen once somalia stabilizes and prospers, America's isnt that old and lacks the ancient civilizations like the persians or greeks but they're still one of the most nationalistic and proud people on the planet mainly due to america's success, once somalia becomes a success then our nationalism will be stronger

America already had built up culture and history cus they were literally just British settlers that decided to leave the British kingdom and won their struggle. Somalis were never one people and never thought as one. The best thing is to let us go. If the people want to leave why do you want to keep them chained? You're wasting time and lives. At this point it's just pride and ego, you just wanna 'flex' lol

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

America already had built up culture and history cus they were literally just British settlers that decided to leave the British kingdom and won their struggle. Somalis were never one people and never thought as one. The best thing is to let us go. If the people want to leave why do you want to keep them chained? You're wasting time and lives. At this point it's just pride and ego, you just wanna 'flex' lol

Yes they came from Britain but American history is still different from British history they’ve established something unique

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

America already had built up culture and history cus they were literally just British settlers that decided to leave the British kingdom and won their struggle. Somalis were never one people and never thought as one. The best thing is to let us go. If the people want to leave why do you want to keep them chained? You're wasting time and lives. At this point it's just pride and ego, you just wanna 'flex' lol

stop embarrassing yourself, this is very simplfied take on american history, where forgeting that american wasn't even founded by brits nor it's capital and the country for most of it's history was shared between multiple eurpean powers.

and if you're very keen on letting somalis go there own way, why don't uou put atititude for harari, somali or oromos in ethiopia?

 

[Farabuuto]

hartis being harari?nigga hartis were fighting with ahmed gurey in the adal period what are you smoking?
and how would creating somalia keep communism at bay if ethiopia was christian empire at that time?
waaqo how many account to you need to before you leave for good?
you won't convince anyone of your butchered understanding of east african history nor will anyone think differently about the artificial nation that was on build slavery and occupation backed by european kingdoms.
.
also stop using ancient harari people to steal somali history it's embarrassing, we somalis have nothing but respect and love for or harari muslims brethren who are being displaced by oromo amhara squatters.

I said SPREAD communism/socialism. You're not exactlt the sharpest tool are you? At least read b4 getting excited. I know more history than you or "waaqo" combined. I'm not even female weirdo.

This is an old archived document from the early 1900s that I found in internet archives. This is what your clan elders twisted, and forgotten history. It explains how Darood and Harla were of the same stock: https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.81470/2015.81470.British-Somali-Land_djvu.txt

anyway, I knew you were deranged after making this thread https://www.somalispot.com/threads/shameful-ethiopian-history.82789/#post-2195236

 

[Farabuuto]

Yes they came from Britain but American history is still different from British history they’ve established something unique

Yes, bu what I'm trying to say is that they inherit a culture and it evolved. We were nomads for most of our history and only started being fishermen, traders, etc when Ajuran and Adal developed. Nomadic populations that always went to war with each other never end up making a country, at least in Africa. Your belief in union is yours, but people like me already made their mind up.

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

Yes, bu what I'm trying to say is that they inherit a culture and it evolved. We were nomads for most of our history and only started being fishermen, traders, etc when Ajuran and Adal developed. Nomadic populations that always went to war with each other never end up making a country, at least in Africa. Your belief in union is yours, but people like me already made their mind up.

Culture can change we can remove the bad and insert the good

 

[Farabuuto]

stop embarrassing yourself, this is very simplfied take on american history, where forgeting that american wasn't even founded by brits nor it's capital and the country for most of it's history was shared between multiple eurpean powers.

and if you're very keen on letting somalis go there own way, why don't uou put atititude for harari, somali or oromos in ethiopia?

ok kid, put the bottle down now. YOU are embarassing yourself. America wasn't founded by rebel Brits? You're trying to convince yourself that Americans were always their own thing

What a moron

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

I said SPREAD communism/socialism. You're not exactlt the sharpest tool are you? At least read b4 getting excited. I know more history than you or "waaqo" combined. I'm not even female weirdo.

This is an old archived document from the early 1900s that I found in internet archives. This is what your clan elders twisted, and forgotten history. It explains how Darood and Harla were of the same stock: https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.81470/2015.81470.British-Somali-Land_djvu.txt

anyway, I knew you were deranged after making this thread https://www.somalispot.com/threads/shameful-ethiopian-history.82789/#post-2195236

damn now it only made your statement even dumber, colonial capitalist wanting soviet sattlelite state in most strategic area in world, is even worse than what i misread.
also the british researcher said he barely know somali and his evidence is ''they kinda both have similair building which look similiar to arabs ones'' which logically if you consider they were under a islamic empire in the middle ages.
we're talking about period of history where europeans were making isane racial theories about themeselves and your telling me that they know more about the harti lineage than harti themeselves because they saw building that look similar.
the worst is that nobody here is denying we share history with harari people

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

ok kid, put the bottle down now. YOU are embarassing yourself. America wasn't founded by rebel Brits? You're trying to convince yourself that Americans were always their own thing

What a moron

the founder of america was italian explorer supported by spanish crown.
this is basic world history.

i'm starting believe that ricard lynn might be right on the ethiopian, maybe theses ethiopian jewish refugees really were representive of all ethiopians.

 

[Abdillahi]

Somalis don’t self police. They lowlifes are constantly protected and you can’t even criticize them.

We’re from a culture that believesinstead of arresting someone for murder or rape other people who are marginally related to him should pay for his crimes.

For those that want qabillands, they’ll be in for the rudest awakening of their lives when they realize the hatred and animosity goes down to the jilib or even Reer level. The days of Hawiye/darod/Isaac/etc are nothing when small sub sub sub clans are fighting over wells and raiding/murdering each other.

Long ago Somalis sunk to the lowest common denominator. There’s no turning back. There’s no saving the culture. It’s garbage.

I have come to the same conclusion. Somalia had a chance maybe with president shermaker.

 

[Farabuuto]

damn now it only made your statement even dumber, colonial capitalist wanting soviet sattlelite state in most strategic area in world, is even worse than what i misread.
also the british researcher said he barely know somali and his evidence is ''they kinda both have similair building which look similiar to arabs ones'' which logically if you consider they were under a islamic empire in the middle ages.
we're talking about period of history where europeans were making isane racial theories about themeselves and your telling me that they know more about the harti lineage than harti themeselves because they saw building that look similar.
the worst is that nobody here is denying we share history with harari people

It wasn't colonialists that created 'Somalia', it was the influence of communism and socialism. Colonisers respected the clan boundaries, the Ogaden was taken by Menelik b4 the British took it after and gave it back. It was inevitable, Ethiopia was gonna get it. If anything, the treaties made Somalia lose less territory.

"Now, first of all, let us see who these Haifa were
who are said to have lived before the Gallas. I think
there can be little doubt that they were the descendants
of Harrlah, brother of Harti and Gherri, and son of
Kumbi, who was one of the direct descendants of
Darod. This shows that the Harla were of the same
stock as the other Darod tribes, and consequently
were Somalis and not Gallas."

This researcher wasn't a nutter, there's other pieces of evidence. Have you ever wondered why 'Ogaden' doesn't have an actual meaning, root, or etymology in af Somali? cuz it's not originally Somali. The region, along with Hararge, was ruled by the Harla Cushites. There's cave paintings in Hararge which are linked to the Harlas. Harlas lived in different parts, Ogaden, Puntland, Muqdisho areas, and northern Kenya (the Cushites that got karbashed in northern Kenya were likely the Harlas). You'll probably want more evidence, right? Going back to the word 'Ogaden', the only other language that has a meaning for it is Harari (descendant of Harlas) which means "road to Yemen" which makes sense, it was used as an old route for trade from Harar to Yemen.

Now, Harla were in Puntland region (notice how Harlas keep appearing in Darood regions even when divided by distance? Researcher was right again), where did 'Garowe' get its name from since, again, there's no meaning in Somali? 'Gar' means household but also meant 'region' in Harari (descendant language of Harla). In Harar, 'Gar' is still used to refer to homes. It is an old harla term, an administrator is called garad, a title for nobles.

and look at that, Garaad is a titled used by Daroods during Adal (again Darood connection) andu probbably guessed it, it's Harari in origin. The title 'Garaad' is Harari in origin and you can look it up for yourself.

The end. If you still think it's bs then you're just in denial lol

 

[Farabuuto]

@tyrannicalmanager we'll see what you think of my TedTalk.

I invite people to read my post above.

 

[Farabuuto]

the founder of america was italian explorer supported by spanish crown.
this is basic world history.

i'm starting believe that ricard lynn might be right on the ethiopian, maybe theses ethiopian jewish refugees really were representive of all ethiopians.

Oh my God, you're actually room temperature IQ....I was talking about the founding of 'America' and its governme + culture.

Also, the Vikings discovered it b4 Columbus

"this is basic world history" and you say Columbus was first?

68 chimp is losing it

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

It wasn't colonialists that created 'Somalia', it was the influence of communism and socialism. Colonisers respected the clan boundaries, the Ogaden was taken by Menelik b4 the British took it after and gave it back. It was inevitable, Ethiopia was gonna get it. If anything, the treaties made Somalia lose less territory.

"Now, first of all, let us see who these Haifa were
who are said to have lived before the Gallas. I think
there can be little doubt that they were the descendants
of Harrlah, brother of Harti and Gherri, and son of
Kumbi, who was one of the direct descendants of
Darod. This shows that the Harla were of the same
stock as the other Darod tribes, and consequently
were Somalis and not Gallas."

This researcher wasn't a nutter, there's other pieces of evidence. Have you ever wondered why 'Ogaden' doesn't have an actual meaning, root, or etymology in af Somali? cuz it's not originally Somali. The region, along with Hararge, was ruled by the Harla Cushites. There's cave paintings in Hararge which are linked to the Harlas. Harlas lived in different parts, Ogaden, Puntland, Muqdisho areas, and northern Kenya (the Cushites that got karbashed in northern Kenya were likely the Harlas). You'll probably want more evidence, right? Going back to the word 'Ogaden', the only other language that has a meaning for it is Harari (descendant of Harlas) which means "road to Yemen" which makes sense, it was used as an old route for trade from Harar to Yemen.

Now, Harla were in Puntland region (notice how Harlas keep appearing in Darood regions even when divided by distance? Researcher was right again), where did 'Garowe' get its name from since, again, there's no meaning in Somali? 'Gar' means household but also meant 'region' in Harari (descendant language of Harla). In Harar, 'Gar' is still used to refer to homes. It is an old harla term, an administrator is called garad, a title for nobles.

and look at that, Garaad is a titled used by Daroods during Adal (again Darood connection) andu probbably guessed it, it's Harari in origin. The title 'Garaad' is Harari in origin and you can look it up for yourself.

The end. If you still think it's bs then you're just in denial lol

it's means to know, that what ogaden means in af-somali,
i as a ogaden and other somalis have no beef with harari.
i don't know much about harti history nor origin of there cities, but can respond as a ogaden not matter the amount lies fabrication you pushed on to us in our hearts know the true and falsehood.

 

[Farabuuto]

it's means to know, that what ogaden means in af-somali,
i as a ogaden and other somalis have no beef with harari.
i don't know much about harti history nor origin of there cities, but can respond as a ogaden not matter the amount lies fabrication you pushed on to us in our hearts know the true and falsehood.

lol I have no cuqdad I just happened to have done my research.

If you read the whole post you'd be sincere and agree to at least some of what I said. And just admit that 'Ogaden' is nothing in af Somali. smh. Check the wiki page for Ogaden, go to the etymology section.

The thing is we know too little on Harla but at least we know they used to live in those areas b4 Darood assimilation and other factors.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

lol I have no cuqdad I just happened to have done my research.

If you read the whole post you'd be sincere and agree to at least some of what I said. And just admit that 'Ogaden' is nothing in af Somali. smh. Check the wiki page for Ogaden, go to the etymology section.

The thing is we know too little on Harla but at least we know they used to live in those areas b4 Darood assimilation and other factors.

i'm ogaden and it means "to know".
so entire poimt with "ogaden means nothing somali" is null. i've said before that i don't deny links between somali and harari. i disagree with because your obviously biased and main source knowlegde wikipedia, the same wikipedia that everyone could edit and the notable ogaden section in wikipedia show USC hawiye warlord being
the mentor to a former raskamboni\al-shabaab leader who fought against hawiye clan militias.

 

[Gabz19988]

To answer this question ask yourself do you love your qabiil more than your nation? Do you support the president only when he is from your clan? Do you oppose the current or former president solely because of their qabiil?

as some of you have already pointed out, everything wasn’t flowery before there was no historic “Somalia”. you guys love to chat shit on Ethiopia but they are many years ahead of you and they will never regress how somalia did in 91. This is because the oromo, tigray and the Amhara may detest each other at times but they all believe in ethiopia. Ask yourself would any somalia leader step aside like Desalegn to save his country from implosion?

 

[911]

Exactly.

Turks/Anatolians can look back to their Byzantine/East Roman, Hittite and Lydian heritage.
Persians can look back to the many Persian/Iranian Empires throughout the ages.
Egyptians can look back to the Ancient Egyptian Civilisation and Empires.

but we have Somalis have nothing comparable to those peoples. Its the main reason why those peoples have i have mentioned are extremely nationalistic because their nationalistic pride has substance.

Modern Egyptians cannot look back at Ancient Egypt. Ancient Egyptians were black Africans.