Why do Somali's go against nationalism and opt for islamism and qabilism instead?

Yukon_Niner

Ugaas of the supreme gentleman
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It's the one thing I've never understood. You have people insulting their own country and praising their qabil encla- my bad federal states. Now I'd understand this if it was based on the central governments incompetence but that'd put into question why their own states are so corrupt and incompetent and why'd they still give unconditional support to a shitty barely functioning government that's on par with the rest of Somalia that's always headed by some fatshit oday with pockets deeper than the graves of starving women and children.

Hell people in the Somali politics section celebrate their qabil committing war crimes and then when some random atrocity happens in Mogadishu it's all sad faces or the thoughts and prayers of Somali internet also known as "AUN". Then they're back to respective threads shitting on each others qabiils and bragging about killing khat addicts or retaking a corrugated iron shack somewhere in the shrublands like it's an achievement. You'll find folks shitting on siad barre and praising their favourite warlord from their landheere qabiil that's always starving.

You have users calling themselves puntite (we wuz) which quite frankly is the stupidest thing I've heard since Somalilander (doesn't even exist) or Ogadenian citizen (basically an Ethiopian) or . You have people trying to distance themselves away from anything Somali and then they'll speak about their shit hole states like it's developed and point out to another shitty port project that looks more like bay with sea defences somewhere off the coast of Wales.

It's the same folks who'll say shit like 68ers or an or some other crappy insult whenever there's some random news piece on Somalia. Take @SomaliWadaniSoldier for example or @diaby , truly the two stupidest people I've ever come across on the internet and take in mind one comes from Ethiopia and the others from a glorified bush called gedo who's biggest achievement was attracting foreign investment from AMISOM.

Someone's going to downplay qabil in Somalia and say this all internet shit but the stuff you'll hear in maqaayads or every part of Somalia in general is sickening. Hell some of these folks would drop their religion for qabil, case in point @Manafesto .


And then there's the muh ummah/salafi folks or as I like to call them, the Automated Dheg Cas gus sucking machines. You'll find them in your local run down mosque speaking in Arabic to a group of confused non-arabs or getting donations for Syria, Palestine or some random Arab country. They wear a khamiis and some cultural clothing from the middle East that has no significance in Islam. Aside from waging jihad in the form of being fodder for US drones or blowing themselves up they're generally harmless. There zealous support of anything dheg-cas related is quite frankly amazing. I don't have much to say about them other than maybe we should've had a Soviet style aim at secularism in Somalia way back.

Anyway take it how you will, this is my intellectual brain fart.
 

Yahya

2020 GRANDMASTER
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Like i keep sayng. We should not be judged based on the ignorance of our fore-bearers, instead wait for our generation to take the throne and see how we behave.

Btw i ain't saying younger ppl are less qabilist, but we've all seen the hardship of begging in a another country and for those back home they've seen war, famine and many disasters befall upon them. I think it's time we come together or lose out forever.

The next 20 yrs will make or break us.
 
I never understood why Somalis would use the word: zoo-mali.
You're basically insulting yourself, but I don't have a lot of knowledge on Somalis/Somalia so this is just my opinion.
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
I think nationalism only works if you are not a failed state. Somalia is a failed state how can nationalism prosper ? Rally support for a failed state ? Until Somalia is not a failed state humbleness is the way forward
 
It's very simple. Somalis have very little to no historical heritage to take pride in that can be separated from Islam, in essence we have no great Pre-Islamic history, such as sophisticated Civilisations, Empires e.g.

Hence, why Somalis are more prone to Islamism because the only great time in Somali history was Islam dominated.
 
It's very simple. Somalis have very little to no historical heritage to take pride in that can be separated from Islam, in essence we have no great Pre-Islamic history, such as sophisticated Civilisations, Empires e.g.

Hence, why Somalis are more prone to Islamism because the only great time in Somali history was Islam dominated.

I agree. We have nothing compared to the Persians. :meleshame:
 
I agree. We have nothing compared to the Persians. :meleshame:
Exactly.

Turks/Anatolians can look back to their Byzantine/East Roman, Hittite and Lydian heritage.
Persians can look back to the many Persian/Iranian Empires throughout the ages.
Egyptians can look back to the Ancient Egyptian Civilisation and Empires.

but we have Somalis have nothing comparable to those peoples. Its the main reason why those peoples have i have mentioned are extremely nationalistic because their nationalistic pride has substance.
 

Mozart

You need people like me
The problem with many Somali's is that they forget one of the worst civil wars occurred. Regular people you see in these restaurants would have lost family members and experienced things you don't understand. So, in those times who sided with them, or helped them ? Their 'clan' . Additionally, what is there to be patriotic about ? Somalia has made zero progress since the war and let's be honest, a lot of the progress in the 'clan enclaves' is due to the communities there helping themselves.

To believe in the idea of nationalism , there has to be something tangible the entire nation can be proud of. Somalia has nothing of that kind. The sooner Somali's wake up and realise that Somali's will always support their 'clan' folk way more than 'Somalia' the better.
 

Shmurda

King Of NSFW
When I see a leader fit for ruling all of Somalia and is truly nationalistic then he will have my full support but until then I will only support my state.
 
To a Somali, nationalism and qabiilism go together.
when their boy is in charge, they are nationalists, when it's someone else, back to qabiilism.

Low IQ
 
Somalia needs a youth movement that promotes nationalism over qabil.

I would give my 100% support for a young (40 or under) competent leader that promoted this even if he was a Madhibaan, over my own clan easily
 

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